College Bball Thread

[Scotty R 2,385]

5 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Wanna bring back the peach baskets and no dribbling too? The game has to evolve and the charge/block is #1 worst call of the game. The absolute most inconsistent, most dangerous and absurd rule in the game. Get rid of it, you get a better product. Plain and simple.

The problem with you young guys is that you don't realize the game actually existed before you were born. The game has been played at a high level for years so no need to change this rule. I hate to break the news to you but the product you see on the court in college today isn't even close to what we saw he the 80's and 90's. Some of the play today is almost unwatchable 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,836]

Just now, Scotty R said:

The problem with you young guys is that you don't realize the game actually existed before you were born. The game has been played at a high level for years so no need to change this rule. I hate to break the news to you but the product you see on the court in college today isn't even close to what we saw he the 80's and 90's. Some of the play today is almost unwatchable 

Yea sure... Let's go back to no 3pt line, no shot clock and no dunking. Sound good? Can even bring in the peach baskets for aesthetics.

[Scotty R 2,385]

2 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Yea sure... Let's go back to no 3pt line, no shot clock and no dunking. Sound good? Can even bring in the peach baskets for aesthetics.

Who said anything about those rules. I like both the 3 point line and the shot click. The shot click should be at 45 seconds and not 30. The 30 second clock leads to way more forced shots at the end of the clock and a little more bad shots taken. When it was 45 you very rarely even noticed the clock because most teams would get a good shot on most possessions.

I also think coaches today micro manage to  much and don't let players play with de freedom. RMK had the reputation of a defensive coach and didn't allow players to play with freedom which wasn't even close to being true. His best teams would usually get a shot off the first 15 seconds of a possession and averaged it ver 80 a game.

[HoosierHoopster 7,271]

11 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Yea sure... Let's go back to no 3pt line, no shot clock and no dunking. Sound good? Can even bring in the peach baskets for aesthetics.

Hey when my mom played point guard at Smith college she was wasn’t allowed to cross center court — let’s bring that back!

:)

[str8baller 5,713]

2 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Because it's a garbage bailout for bad defenses. To believe it's somehow a "good rule" to purposefully get in the way of another player to get ran over is foolish. Contest the shot or get out of the way. Freedom of movement is for everywhere on the court... Unless someone just randomly slides underneath someone to get ran over.

This type of basketball is an invitation for even more horrible basketball stylistically. The game isn’t hurt by charge calls on guys who put their head down and charge towards the basket. Enforcing rules that reward guys for good position will result in more movement away from the ball and an overall better product.  
 

The circle under the basket wasn’t a bad compromise for people who like to see drive-heavy basketball. They can leave it at that for all I care. 

[Scotty R 2,385]

4 minutes ago, str8baller said:

This type of basketball is an invitation for even more horrible basketball stylistically. The game isn’t hurt by charge calls on guys who put their head down and charge towards the basket. Enforcing rules that reward guys for good position will result in more movement away from the ball and an overall better product.  
 

The circle under the basket wasn’t a bad compromise for people who like to see drive-heavy basketball. They can leave it at that for all I care. 

For me there is way to much dribbling in the half court and driving out if control to the basket. If teams actually move their players on the offensive end and pass more there would be less charges to be called.

[Hardwood83 4,775]

4 hours ago, Scotty R said:

Who said anything about those rules. I like both the 3 point line and the shot click. The shot click should be at 45 seconds and not 30. The 30 second clock leads to way more forced shots at the end of the clock and a little more bad shots taken. When it was 45 you very rarely even noticed the clock because most teams would get a good shot on most possessions.

I also think coaches today micro manage to  much and don't let players play with de freedom. RMK had the reputation of a defensive coach and didn't allow players to play with freedom which wasn't even close to being true. His best teams would usually get a shot off the first 15 seconds of a possession and averaged it ver 80 a game.

I'm sure it won't be popular, but I agree with this. Never gonna happen, but it should at least go back to 35.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,836]

12 hours ago, Scotty R said:

Who said anything about those rules. I like both the 3 point line and the shot click. The shot click should be at 45 seconds and not 30. The 30 second clock leads to way more forced shots at the end of the clock and a little more bad shots taken. When it was 45 you very rarely even noticed the clock because most teams would get a good shot on most possessions.

I also think coaches today micro manage to  much and don't let players play with de freedom. RMK had the reputation of a defensive coach and didn't allow players to play with freedom which wasn't even close to being true. His best teams would usually get a shot off the first 15 seconds of a possession and averaged it ver 80 a game.

The shot clock is perfect. It shouldn't take you almost a minute to run an offense.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,836]

11 hours ago, str8baller said:

This type of basketball is an invitation for even more horrible basketball stylistically. The game isn’t hurt by charge calls on guys who put their head down and charge towards the basket. Enforcing rules that reward guys for good position will result in more movement away from the ball and an overall better product.  
 

The circle under the basket wasn’t a bad compromise for people who like to see drive-heavy basketball. They can leave it at that for all I care. 

It isn't an invitation to anything other than better basketball. It doesn't take away offensive fouls. It just means a defender can't slide in front of a player and get ran over. You can still contest shots without fouling. It doesn't change basketball. Instead of the dude setting themselves to get ran over, they go straight up to contest a shot. Verticality is allowed in basketball. Roy Hibbert made it pretty famous.

[Scotty R 2,385]

20 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

The shot clock is perfect. It shouldn't take you almost a minute to run an offense.

Is shouldn't but coaches today don't start their offense right away and wait to long to get into it . It is funny that the pace today is slower today than it was before the shot clock. Scoring and shooting percentage were higher as well.

[RaceToTheTop 26,712]

39 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

The shot clock is perfect. It shouldn't take you almost a minute to run an offense.

And you shouldn’t have to run over a player in order to score a basket.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,836]

9 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

And you shouldn’t have to run over a player in order to score a basket.

That's just unreasonable to ask to somehow stop on a dime on one foot because someone slides underneath them. Maybe just go straight and contest... Meaning less fouls, less FTs and a faster game.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,836]

28 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Is shouldn't but coaches today don't start their offense right away and wait to long to get into it . It is funny that the pace today is slower today than it was before the shot clock. Scoring and shooting percentage were higher as well.

Defense was also worse back in the day in age you want basketball returned to. And shooting percentages really haven't changed at all. A team inability to run an offense is on the coaches and players, not the shot clock.

[hoosierbgh 1,264]

13 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Wanna bring back the peach baskets and no dribbling too? The game has to evolve and the charge/block is #1 worst call of the game. The absolute most inconsistent, most dangerous and absurd rule in the game. Get rid of it, you get a better product. Plain and simple.

I'm not sure why anyone is wasting even a second arguing about this. It should be pretty obvious to anyone who has watched college bball in the last decade exactly what will happen. During the first two months of the season the refs will hyper focus on the rule change to the point that it slows down the game and repeatedly stops momentum. Despite this hyper focus, the refs will still get the call wrong more often than not. Then just in time for conference season, the refs will conveniently forget the rule change ever occurred. Regardless of the time of the season, Edey will be allowed to bulldoze defenders out of his way, grab and hold the defenders arms and push opponents with superior rebounding position in the back. 

In short, even if there was a good chance that the rule changes would improve the game, the refs won't call it consistently and will soon forget about the rule change. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,836]

Just now, hoosierbgh said:

I'm not sure why anyone is wasting even a second arguing about this. It should be pretty obvious to anyone who has watched college bball in the last decade exactly what will happen. During the first two months of the season the refs will hyper focus on the rule change to the point that it slows down the game and repeatedly stops momentum. Despite this hyper focus, the refs will still get the call wrong more often than not. Then just in time for conference season, the refs will conveniently forget the rule change ever occurred. Regardless of the time of the season, Edey will be allowed to bulldoze defenders out of his way, grab and hold the defenders arms and push opponents with superior rebounding position in the back. 

In short, even if there was a good chance that the rule changes would improve the game, the refs won't call it consistently and will soon forget about the rule change. 

Biggest reason it needs taken out of the game. Refs are God awful at calling the rule consistently. It changes from possession to possession.

[Brass Cannon 24,974]

14 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Biggest reason it needs taken out of the game. Refs are God awful at calling the rule consistently. It changes from possession to possession.

This I would agree with.  Really any rule that can’t be called consistently called correctly either needs to be revamped or something I have been saying for years basketball needs another official. These guys have gotten too fast and too athletic 

[Scotty R 2,385]

29 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Defense was also worse back in the day in age you want basketball returned to. And shooting percentages really haven't changed at all. A team inability to run an offense is on the coaches and players, not the shot clock.

Sure it was, just watch the Georgetown team in the 80's that defense was bad. Our IU 76 team was a great defensive team. Players back in the day were more experience and more fundamentally sound. Teams were better because they stayed together for 4 years.  Until they learn the adapt in college the 30 second clock causes to many forced and contested shots at the end of the clock. It also caused every team to play the same way and there is very little originality in the offense today.  You had teams average over a 100 before the shot clock but also had teams run good offense until they got a good shot.

[Scotty R 2,385]

Maybe we should just do away with dribbling and just let players to run with ball like a running back.  The game has been played at a high rate for years but young guys want to just change everything.  If you have only seen one way of the game being played you don't have the advantage of seeing different ways of playing.

[BGleas 7,917]

56 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Biggest reason it needs taken out of the game. Refs are God awful at calling the rule consistently. It changes from possession to possession.

There is no worse officiating in sports than a college basketball ref calling a charge. 

They're absolutely horrendous at it. It's worse than NFL refs trying to figure out what a catch is. 

[RaceToTheTop 26,712]

1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

That's just unreasonable to ask to somehow stop on a dime on one foot because someone slides underneath them. Maybe just go straight and contest... Meaning less fouls, less FTs and a faster game.

Strawman argument.  And the new rule does not allow a player to slide underneath.