College Bball Thread

[CSP]

1 minute ago, Demo said:

Have been begging for this structure, though I’m sure it would be sued into oblivion. It would limit some of the Euro professional options. It would punt ridiculous outliers like Baker-Mazara. It would eliminate the JC years not counting nonsense. Would eliminate medical redshirts. Love it. At this point it has to be about age. 

I liked 5 for 5, personally. 

[BtownStrength]

5 hours ago, Demo said:

Have been begging for this structure, though I’m sure it would be sued into oblivion. It would limit some of the Euro professional options. It would punt ridiculous outliers like Baker-Mazara. It would eliminate the JC years not counting nonsense. Would eliminate medical redshirts. Love it. At this point it has to be about age. 

Anything age related would be struck down immediately. A 5 year "clock" based on 1st year listed on collegiate roster would be more likely to stand, imo. 

[LIHoosier]

5 hours ago, Demo said:

Have been begging for this structure, though I’m sure it would be sued into oblivion. It would limit some of the Euro professional options. It would punt ridiculous outliers like Baker-Mazara. It would eliminate the JC years not counting nonsense. Would eliminate medical redshirts. Love it. At this point it has to be about age. 

Chris Weinke

[str8baller]

1 hour ago, BtownStrength said:

Anything age related would be struck down immediately.

Why? 
 

Also, being struck down immediately is less relevant than if it can withstand the run up through the appeals court.

[Demo]

Interesting. Chuck Martin is leaving Cal’s staff at Arkansas to take the AHC job with Malone at UNC. 

[Stuhoo]

18 minutes ago, Demo said:

Interesting. Chuck Martin is leaving Cal’s staff at Arkansas to take the AHC job with Malone at UNC. 

I read somewhere that Chuck and Malone go way, way back. And Malone needs a college-very experienced lead assistant.

[Demo]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

I read somewhere that Chuck and Malone go way, way back. And Malone needs a college-very experienced lead assistant.

Sounds right. Martin must be a staggering networker. Every time he goes to a new job the new HC talks about how he’s known the dude forever. 

[BtownStrength]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

Why? 
 

Also, being struck down immediately is less relevant than if it can withstand the run up through the appeals court.

Restricting the ability to earn income without a collective bargaining agreement violates antitrust labor laws. Colleges do not have age limits for academic enrollment, so students are still held to the standard of normal college students. Can't put any restrictions on athletes that you don't put on general student population. Only way out would be to establish athletes as university employees, which the universities themselves do not want. 

[str8baller]

4 hours ago, BtownStrength said:

Restricting the ability to earn income without a collective bargaining agreement violates antitrust labor laws. Colleges do not have age limits for academic enrollment, so students are still held to the standard of normal college students. Can't put any restrictions on athletes that you don't put on general student population. Only way out would be to establish athletes as university employees, which the universities themselves do not want. 

How have age limits in pro leagues and HS across the country withstood that? It’s been a long time since I read it but the NFL basically made a maturity/age/safety argument in the Clarrett case, no? 

[CSP]

15 hours ago, LIHoosier said:

Chris Weinke

more importantly... IU's current punter 

[jermhoosierfan]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/48424179/mens-college-basketball-transfer-portal-player-rankings-commitments-2026

Here is a link for what ESPN considers the top 40 in the portal.  About 1/4 of the list is 6-10 and above which hopefully means we can get one with a good backup also.  We need some size down low.

[BtownStrength]

8 hours ago, str8baller said:

How have age limits in pro leagues and HS across the country withstood that? It’s been a long time since I read it but the NFL basically made a maturity/age/safety argument in the Clarrett case, no? 

Yep, NFL and other pro leagues have age requirements because they have collective bargaining agreements between the teams and the players union. They are employees. NFL established theirs based on maturity and safety. 

High school is a required step in education, so its athletic endeavors are governed by the state. Universities are independent institutions (even though public onea receive state and federal funding). Even then, high school athletes aren't being restricted from income potential through age laws the way this proposal would affect college athletes. 

[str8baller]

2 hours ago, BtownStrength said:

High school is a required step in education, so its athletic endeavors are governed by the state.

This will be the successful model, blended with some of the arguments the NFL used.  Because football will drive the whole thing anyways. 
 

They’ll make new case law, likely at SCOTUS. Or get a legislative exemption. Politics—legally speaking-are turning their way, although I’d still scrap the NCAA and start over. 

[go iu bb]

6 hours ago, BtownStrength said:

Yep, NFL and other pro leagues have age requirements because they have collective bargaining agreements between the teams and the players union. They are employees. NFL established theirs based on maturity and safety. 

High school is a required step in education, so its athletic endeavors are governed by the state. Universities are independent institutions (even though public onea receive state and federal funding). Even then, high school athletes aren't being restricted from income potential through age laws the way this proposal would affect college athletes. 

On top of the collective bargaining agreements, professional sports leagues have the antitrust exemptions you previously mentioned which the NCAA/conferences/schools do not have.

You are spot on as to why the NCAA can't implement a bunch of the rules they'd like to. The decades of claiming the athletes are just students who happen to be amateur athletes and most certainly are not employees in any way, shape, or form has really come back to bite them. 

[str8baller]

17 hours ago, go iu bb said:

On top of the collective bargaining agreements, professional sports leagues have the antitrust exemptions you previously mentioned which the NCAA/conferences/schools do not have.

You are spot on as to why the NCAA can't implement a bunch of the rules they'd like to. The decades of claiming the athletes are just students who happen to be amateur athletes and most certainly are not employees in any way, shape, or form has really come back to bite them. 

The courts will read in specific exemptions to anti-trust (as they have for sports leagues in the past)  or there will be legislation. 
 

What you’re arguing is that the NCAA can’t enforce any limits on eligibility whatsoever, which I do not believe will stand. This is a political issue as much as a legal one at this point. 

[Home Jersey]

Hurley on Dan Patrick basically stating he will suggest Mullins return for another year of school before the NBA. From a basketball POV, seems like the right choice. Gotta weigh short vs long term financial implications. Could make sense in this loaded draft class especially. Better to be a sophomore than follow Liam McNeeley's career arc IMO.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

41 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Hurley on Dan Patrick basically stating he will suggest Mullins return for another year of school before the NBA. From a basketball POV, seems like the right choice. Gotta weigh short vs long term financial implications. Could make sense in this loaded draft class especially. Better to be a sophomore than follow Liam McNeeley's career arc IMO.

Would you have expected any other response from Hurley?   Gotta factor in the potential for a serious injury.  Take the money and run to the NBA.

[Home Jersey]

1 minute ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Would you have expected any other response from Hurley?   Gotta factor in the potential for a serious injury.  Take the money and run to the NBA.

Hurley encouraged Castle and McNeeley to be one and done... worked out great for Castle, less so for McNeeley thus far... so the change is interesting to me.

I think Cal sort of set a precedent for the rest of CBB with encouraging guys to go to the NBA even if the player would benefit from more development and the program would benefit from having another year of them.

When NIL first became a thing, a lot of people said how great it would be for retaining players who may not project so well as a pro. The conventional wisdom of going pro ASAP so you get to the second contract quicker makes perfect sense. I don't know what you make going in the back of the lottery vs end of the first round, but in a loaded draft class like this, it could make some sense IMO if the player wants to bet on themselves being able to improve draft position next year significantly.

If I were advising Braylon I'd probably tell him run to the NBA and don't look back too... but I'd hate to wonder "what if" should he find himself shuffling between the G League teams in a few years like McNeeley potentially could

[AZ Hoosier]

1 hour ago, Home Jersey said:

Hurley encouraged Castle and McNeeley to be one and done... worked out great for Castle, less so for McNeeley thus far... so the change is interesting to me.

I think Cal sort of set a precedent for the rest of CBB with encouraging guys to go to the NBA even if the player would benefit from more development and the program would benefit from having another year of them.

When NIL first became a thing, a lot of people said how great it would be for retaining players who may not project so well as a pro. The conventional wisdom of going pro ASAP so you get to the second contract quicker makes perfect sense. I don't know what you make going in the back of the lottery vs end of the first round, but in a loaded draft class like this, it could make some sense IMO if the player wants to bet on themselves being able to improve draft position next year significantly.

If I were advising Braylon I'd probably tell him run to the NBA and don't look back too... but I'd hate to wonder "what if" should he find himself shuffling between the G League teams in a few years like McNeeley potentially could

Another year of development while getting paid well at UCONN will make him a stronger option in what will probably be a weaker draft next year - seems like a no-brainer. But you have to factor in the possibility of serious injury.

I see it as a question similar to taking early social security vs waiting until full retirement age - how long will it take to get to the "break even" point. However, SSA income is predictable, and both NIL and NBA contracts are not.

I would expect Mullins to make as much or more with NIL than in the G league, and he'll get a chance to develop more in college, IMO. Of course the sooner he jumps to the league the sooner he gets to that second contract money. 

[str8baller]

6 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

Hurley encouraged Castle and McNeeley to be one and done... worked out great for Castle, less so for McNeeley thus far... so the change is interesting to me.

I think Cal sort of set a precedent for the rest of CBB with encouraging guys to go to the NBA even if the player would benefit from more development and the program would benefit from having another year of them.

When NIL first became a thing, a lot of people said how great it would be for retaining players who may not project so well as a pro. The conventional wisdom of going pro ASAP so you get to the second contract quicker makes perfect sense. I don't know what you make going in the back of the lottery vs end of the first round, but in a loaded draft class like this, it could make some sense IMO if the player wants to bet on themselves being able to improve draft position next year significantly.

If I were advising Braylon I'd probably tell him run to the NBA and don't look back too... but I'd hate to wonder "what if" should he find himself shuffling between the G League teams in a few years like McNeeley potentially could

If you can come back and make a million and maintain the same draft status, then sure. The problem is the longer you stay the more they pick you apart. And Mullins isn’t an NBA athlete, so I’d probably go if I were him if I’m getting top 20 money. 
 

I really like McNeely but if he can’t get out of the G league his faults would’ve got picked apart the longer he stayed in college and he might not have been drafted at all had he stayed 3-4 yrs.