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[fivestarhtm 18]

I don't understand y people think we have to go out east to recruit. Y we can't stay home in our state an get the best kids here. Like we had done for years. Indiana kids knw basketball an how to compete. If we would just focus on indiana kids top recruits will see what we have an want to join an elite program. But tht elite isn't going to be if crean keeps going in the direction his going. This is y Stevens did so well at butler besides knowing how to coach. But I'd rather have a 2-3 star indiana kid four 4 years then a 5 star kid for one year every other year or if tht. We need to get back to our roots



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[Fulkme15 488]

Huh???^^^^


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[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

I don't understand y people think we have to go out east to recruit. Y we can't stay home in our state an get the best kids here. Like we had done for years. Indiana kids knw basketball an how to compete. If we would just focus on indiana kids top recruits will see what we have an want to join an elite program. But tht elite isn't going to be if crean keeps going in the direction his going. This is y Stevens did so well at butler besides knowing how to coach. But I'd rather have a 2-3 star indiana kid four 4 years then a 5 star kid for one year every other year or if tht. We need to get back to our roots



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Classic. Lol


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[Stuhoo 85,042]

I don't understand y people think we have to go out east to recruit. Y we can't stay home in our state an get the best kids here. Like we had done for years. Indiana kids knw basketball an how to compete. If we would just focus on indiana kids top recruits will see what we have an want to join an elite program. But tht elite isn't going to be if crean keeps going in the direction his going. This is y Stevens did so well at butler besides knowing how to coach. But I'd rather have a 2-3 star indiana kid four 4 years then a 5 star kid for one year every other year or if tht. We need to get back to our roots



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That strategy would give us a roster that would be the Purdue Boilermakers men's basketball team.  That has not worked well, unless you think that guys like Travis Carroll and Ronnie Johnson "knew basketball and knew how to compete".

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Yeah. It is easy to say but we need to do BOTH. I like mixing top Indiana kids with top kids from other areas of the country. IU is a national program with wide appeal and we will take the best of the best wherever they are from--as long as they are high character kids who really want to be here....Can you imagine missing out on Vic??????? He is a great ambassador for Indiana basketball and I would take a team full of kids like him any day of the week! :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

[Dalton26 16,998]

I don't understand y people think we have to go out east to recruit. Y we can't stay home in our state an get the best kids here. Like we had done for years. Indiana kids knw basketball an how to compete. If we would just focus on indiana kids top recruits will see what we have an want to join an elite program. But tht elite isn't going to be if crean keeps going in the direction his going. This is y Stevens did so well at butler besides knowing how to coach. But I'd rather have a 2-3 star indiana kid four 4 years then a 5 star kid for one year every other year or if tht. We need to get back to our roots



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I don't understand why people think we shouldn't recruit anywhere except Indiana.


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[shortspacequickness 1,034]

You can't be serious with your statement about not adding anyone in 2015. We are so woefully weak in the middle compared to B1G teams and others expecting to win championships. Nothing against you but this line of thinking leads me to seriously consider if our fans/alumni ever want to get back to the top. The culture ofwinning big at Indiana may be gone and we'll never get it back. Tom Crean actually may see the end of his contract afterall.

All I meant was that it doesn't matter that IU doesn't have any one lined up for 2015. Recruiting isn't what it used to be; you don't always have your class finished by signing day in November. Let the season play out...if there is a need for greater inside help, and yes I do think it likely will be a need, then the coaching staff will make the changes that need to be made. Personally, I feel Devin Davis, Hanner, and Holt will be a big part of the next two years but that doesn't mean IU shouldn't try to add someone better for 2015. Just saying we have a collection of players right now that in time will eventually be good enough to compete at any level. You really don't need the center, you just need guys like Davis, Holt, etc. to be what they can be. We will see if that happens.

 

The fans/alumni complaining about lowered expectations are merely clinging to the past; that's the real fault. Indiana is not the program it was 25 years ago. It simply isn't.

 

Crean has to build another team, and fight his own fan base at the same time, but I think he will be able to put it together again. He's one player away.

[KingPG21 6,587]

I don't understand y people think we have to go out east to recruit. Y we can't stay home in our state an get the best kids here. Like we had done for years. Indiana kids knw basketball an how to compete. If we would just focus on indiana kids top recruits will see what we have an want to join an elite program. But tht elite isn't going to be if crean keeps going in the direction his going. This is y Stevens did so well at butler besides knowing how to coach. But I'd rather have a 2-3 star indiana kid four 4 years then a 5 star kid for one year every other year or if tht. We need to get back to our roots



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..... You'd rather have mid-major talent kids from Indiana than high-major talent from the East? What?

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,749]

I think that many people, including myself, think that Indiana should be THE destination point for 4 and 5 star Indiana kids. The Blackmons, Zellers, Harris's, Bluietts, Ferrells, Swanigan's, Coleman's etc. It is frustration when we can't lure the top kids from the state. I understand this, but it's the nature of today's college landscape. (We've gotten our share but we want them all. Haha)

Secondly, it's frustrating when we miss on the under recruited players from the state like Kellen Dunham, Nic Moore, Devantes Smith Rivera, AJ Hammons etc...

I think the second point is the bigger contention, when we take on project type players that we've barely scouted it makes one doubt why we aren't scouring the State for the under heralded kids mentioned above.

Final note, I am 100% for national recruiting if we have the gusto to get the top dogs. Just don't miss on the homegrown talent when chasing a Spalding, Goodluck, or Pinson type. I.e. Kyle Guy for 2016 could be a good example of this point. Let's see how it works out.

[schoosier 3,613]

All I meant was that it doesn't matter that IU doesn't have any one lined up for 2015. Recruiting isn't what it used to be; you don't always have your class finished by signing day in November. Let the season play out...if there is a need for greater inside help, and yes I do think it likely will be a need, then the coaching staff will make the changes that need to be made. Personally, I feel Devin Davis, Hanner, and Holt will be a big part of the next two years but that doesn't mean IU shouldn't try to add someone better for 2015. Just saying we have a collection of players right now that in time will eventually be good enough to compete at any level. You really don't need the center, you just need guys like Davis, Holt, etc. to be what they can be. We will see if that happens.
 
The fans/alumni complaining about lowered expectations are merely clinging to the past; that's the real fault. Indiana is not the program it was 25 years ago. It simply isn't.
 
Crean has to build another team, and fight his own fan base at the same time, but I think he will be able to put it together again. He's one player away.

Three of your comments that stick out to me. 1 eventually be able to compete. 2. Indiana doesn't cling to the past. Your fault is not knowing or appreciating the word tradition. 3. He's one player away. Mike Davis already coined this term a decade go. Excuses don't work in year seven.

[schoosier 3,613]

Yeah you're right, no one wants to win.
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No, some of us want to keep positive in year 7 while Mich St and others keep kicking our a$$ for recruits. Afterall we should be more than satisfied with the contributions your username and other project players have provided to this university that has won 5 ncaa championships. But we are all about winning in 2014-15 since Crean has come so close to doing what others before him are measured. Not even a final four close which got Ben Howland fired at UCLA. Just imagine how happy you could have been a bruin.

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,749]

Top realistic 2015 recruit:

Juwan Morgan

We got another CB pick for him this weekend!

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

No, some of us want to keep positive in year 7 while Mich St and others keep kicking our a$$ for recruits. Afterall we should be more than satisfied with the contributions your username and other project players have provided to this university that has won 5 ncaa championships. But we are all about winning in 2014-15 since Crean has come so close to doing what others before him are measured. Not even a final four close which got Ben Howland fired at UCLA. Just imagine how happy you could have been a bruin.

I'm sorry, but Mich St. is not kicking our butt's in recruiting by any means. Their coach makes up for that gap though. When you put it that way, maybe we should all just stop being Hoosiers and go cheer for someone else. There's a solution we haven't discussed. Good lord... 

 

I think we get Juwan Morgan on his OV and that's our 2015 class. As long as Thon doesn't reclassify, I'd be happy with that. We'll see as the season progresses, but I think Troy could possible make a major jump in draft status. Maybe we add Shake on top of Morgan if that's the case. I think retaining the talent we have right now takes priority over adding new talent in 2015 though. Right now, we have the necessary talent to build something special over the next few years. I don't know how everyone else feels about that sentiment. Definitely agree that we're weak in the middle, but I'm also optimistic about HMP and Holt.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

The "no excuses" crowd is commendable and all, but at least move on from the 80's and 90's. It's a new world.

[bnkepner 1,509]

I think that many people, including myself, think that Indiana should be THE destination point for 4 and 5 star Indiana kids. The Blackmons, Zellers, Harris's, Bluietts, Ferrells, Swanigan's, Coleman's etc. It is frustration when we can't lure the top kids from the state. I understand this, but it's the nature of today's college landscape. (We've gotten our share but we want them all. Haha)

Secondly, it's frustrating when we miss on the under recruited players from the state like Kellen Dunham, Nic Moore, Devantes Smith Rivera, AJ Hammons etc...

I think the second point is the bigger contention, when we take on project type players that we've barely scouted it makes one doubt why we aren't scouring the State for the under heralded kids mentioned above.

Final note, I am 100% for national recruiting if we have the gusto to get the top dogs. Just don't miss on the homegrown talent when chasing a Spalding, Goodluck, or Pinson type. I.e. Kyle Guy for 2016 could be a good example of this point. Let's see how it works out.

 

I just think people have to remember that sometimes kids already have their mind made up. Indiana has offered and really recruited guys like Bluiett, Harris, Swanigan for example and those kids flat out didn't want to come to IU. Bluiett didn't want to be in the shadow of Yogi anymore. For example you mention Kyle Guy, Indiana was the first to offer him and show significant interest but he has seemed to take more interest and get more excited when getting offered by like Iowa. Some kids here in the state just honestly don't want to come for some odd reason. It's hard to use the "history" and program "prestige" with these kids because IU's decades of success was pretty much before most of these recruits were even born. 

[LazOffTheBench 3,638]

Swanigan hasn't committed anywhere yet, has he? I got the feeling Crean cooled on him because of Swanigan's guardian/handler situation. Someone correct me on that if I am wrong.

[HoosierCoop 4,090]

Swanigan hasn't committed anywhere yet, has he? I got the feeling Crean cooled on him because of Swanigan's guardian/handler situation. Someone correct me on that if I am wrong.

I heard that the Big Blue limo was honking from the street in front of his house.

[Stuhoo 85,042]

Swanigan hasn't committed anywhere yet, has he? I got the feeling Crean cooled on him because of Swanigan's guardian/handler situation. Someone correct me on that if I am wrong.

 

You forgot "agent".

[Parakeet Jones 3,872]

I just think people have to remember that sometimes kids already have their mind made up. Indiana has offered and really recruited guys like Bluiett, Harris, Swanigan for example and those kids flat out didn't want to come to IU. Bluiett didn't want to be in the shadow of Yogi anymore. For example you mention Kyle Guy, Indiana was the first to offer him and show significant interest but he has seemed to take more interest and get more excited when getting offered by like Iowa. Some kids here in the state just honestly don't want to come for some odd reason. It's hard to use the "history" and program "prestige" with these kids because IU's decades of success was pretty much before most of these recruits were even born. 

I have a theory on why this may be happening more.  I could be totally wrong on this, and that wouldn't exactly be a first.

 

Here is my crackpot theory.  Is it just Indiana kids not wanting to go to IU, or is it kids from other places not wanting to attend State U.?  Because I wonder how much Lebron leaving home and going off to Miami plays into these kids thinking.  They saw the most famous basketball player leave his hometown to head off and make his own way.  I wonder if some of them want to "leave home" like he did.  In some weird way I wonder if they are trying to emulate Lebron. 

 

I could be 100% off on this, but it's a thought I've had on my long commute home from time to time.  

 

Edit:  Just to be clear, I am not saying this is the only reason.  I just wonder if this plays into kids thinking at all. 

[Bowhunter 2,891]

Swanigan hasn't committed anywhere yet, has he? I got the feeling Crean cooled on him because of Swanigan's guardian/handler situation. Someone correct me on that if I am wrong.

Maybe..... but it didn't stop us for going after Kasongo.