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[Hutch89 2,939]

I don't think you are too far off there. But instead of it being about Lebron's actions entirely, but his actions definitely play into the changing culture that we're seeing.

I see this as an overall change in our way of life in the 21st century. Folks are just plain more global minded and that doesn't just mean going to play overseas or somewhere else exotic compared to the US, it also means that kids look to other states in the U.S. for school. Kids are so much more exposed to other programs and states than they were just 20-30 years ago, and that has a lot to do with the massive quantity of athletic games we're able to view on the tv, streamed online, or social media. Universities out of state can become regular household names. Just think about the sheer number of Notre Dame football fans all across the county who have never lived, been to, or would go to South Bend, indiana. The TV deal that they have grants them so much more exposure and makes them a common name that kids might feel more comfortable with attending or giving some legitimate interest.


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[bnkepner 1,509]

I have a theory on why this may be happening more.  I could be totally wrong on this, and that wouldn't exactly be a first.

 

Here is my crackpot theory.  Is it just Indiana kids not wanting to go to IU, or is it kids from other places not wanting to attend State U.?  Because I wonder how much Lebron leaving home and going off to Miami plays into these kids thinking.  They saw the most famous basketball player leave his hometown to head off and make his own way.  I wonder if some of them want to "leave home" like he did.  In some weird way I wonder if they are trying to emulate Lebron. 

 

I could be 100% off on this, but it's a thought I've had on my long commute home from time to time.  

 

Edit:  Just to be clear, I am not saying this is the only reason.  I just wonder if this plays into kids thinking at all. 

I understand what you mean, but it's been happening for a lot longer than that. It's always happened. I definitely agree that here in the last few years it seems like kids are wanting to be package deals and that might have something to do with Lebron and his whole crew as well.

[schoosier 3,451]

The "no excuses" crowd is commendable and all, but at least move on from the 80's and 90's. It's a new world.

Let's move on from the 70s and before while we are at it. That way we have no tradition of winning championships at all in basketball. Heck, let's forget about "Hoosiers" and Bobby Plump. Then add the father himself Dr. Naismith himself who said the sport really grew up in Indiana. Forget the first place basketball was played outside Springfield in Crawsfordsville, IN. You may as well take down the banners since we need to move on and they're not relevant. I bet 17,000 plus that packs Assembly Hall for every game may disagree though.

[Stuhoo 79,585]

Let's move on from the 70s and before while we are at it. That way we have no tradition of winning championships at all in basketball. Heck, let's forget about "Hoosiers" and Bobby Plump. Then add the father himself Dr. Naismith himself who said the sport really grew up in Indiana. Forget the first place basketball was played outside Springfield in Crawsfordsville, IN. You may as well take down the banners since we need to move on and they're not relevant. I bet 17,000 plus that packs Assembly Hall for every game may disagree though.

 

 

Was that TIC, or have you devised a whole new angle of negativity?   :wink:

[schoosier 3,451]

Was that TIC, or have you devised a whole new angle of negativity?   :wink:

Ha ha maybe. If we're talking about forgetting decades I can think of a couple recent ones that would fit that description. We are all fans/alumni that want us to win the right way. Otherwise, why be here? It just seems our pain thresehold is much deeper than similar programs in revenue producing sports. You don't have to travel far to see them either.

[Stuhoo 79,585]

Ha ha maybe. If we're talking about forgetting decades I can think of a couple recent ones that would fit that description. We are all fans/alumni that want us to win the right way. Otherwise, why be here? It just seems our pain threshold is much deeper than similar programs in revenue producing sports. You don't have to travel far to see them either.

 

That's the line of the day!

 

As Dr. Phil might say, it's probably because "we love too much!"

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

IU could also cut corners and plain out cheat too. I'm sure that will get us somewhere we would love to be. The program has slowly decreased in prestige each year and it will take sustained success to get it back there. It won't happen the right way over night.


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[schoosier 3,451]

IU could also cut corners and plain out cheat too. I'm sure that will get us somewhere we would love to be. The program has slowly decreased in prestige each year and it will take sustained success to get it back there. It won't happen the right way over night.
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Technically we have already done that although it only involved phone calls and we were punished. Prestige and Indiana basketball go hand in hand; otherwise why would announcers say "5 time national champions" when they discuss our program? It will happen again soon we all may just disagree how we get there. I think in year 7 you should be there contending for those national championships. If you do have a down year it better be after one of those where your cutting down nets and not after losing in your own gym. Rings also but not sweet 16's. Those last 2 examples are what confuses players and recruits what you're actually playing for.

[CampHoosier 3,697]

Technically we have already done that although it only involved phone calls and we were punished. Prestige and Indiana basketball go hand in hand; otherwise why would announcers say "5 time national champions" when they discuss our program? It will happen again soon we all may just disagree how we get there. I think in year 7 you should be there contending for those national championships. If you do have a down year it better be after one of those where your cutting down nets and not after losing in your own gym. Rings also but not sweet 16's. Those last 2 examples are what confuses players and recruits what you're actually playing for.

 

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[shortspacequickness 1,034]

Let's move on from the 70s and before while we are at it. That way we have no tradition of winning championships at all in basketball. Heck, let's forget about "Hoosiers" and Bobby Plump. Then add the father himself Dr. Naismith himself who said the sport really grew up in Indiana. Forget the first place basketball was played outside Springfield in Crawsfordsville, IN. You may as well take down the banners since we need to move on and they're not relevant. I bet 17,000 plus that packs Assembly Hall for every game may disagree though.

My only point is that it is fairly lazy to look at the situation and say bottom line Indiana should be competing for the national title in year 7. Indiana should compete for the national title every year, in a normal situation. But what we have here is not normal. We are still reeling from gutting the entire basketball program. It isn't an excuse. It's the actual truth of what happened here. Crean already rebuilt the program, built one of the best teams in school history. And yet people wonder if he can get us "back" out of this? It astounds me. If he can do it with the situation he inherited, I think he can handle coaching these guys we have now...

 

IU ran into a buzzsaw in Syracuse and had a down year, yes, after losing our entire team. Not all that surprising but some want to act surprised, I guess, so they can complain about the coach and talk about how IU needs someone who "gets" Indiana. It's just a tired perspective, IMO. A lot of people are frustrated; how can you not be? But Sweet 16 rings have nothing to do with it. Cutting down the nets has nothing to do with it.

 

It all comes down to people wanting this instant success; well, this isn't UK. That's not going to happen because of how our coach runs his program. He is in the midst of building the next great team. You can't do it year after year after year until you have stability in scholarships and in other areas. But yeah, let's fire this guy and start over once again... sounds smart. JMHO.

[schoosier 3,451]

My only point is that it is fairly lazy to look at the situation and say bottom line Indiana should be competing for the national title in year 7. Indiana should compete for the national title every year, in a normal situation. But what we have here is not normal. We are still reeling from gutting the entire basketball program. It isn't an excuse. It's the actual truth of what happened here. Crean already rebuilt the program, built one of the best teams in school history. And yet people wonder if he can get us "back" out of this? It astounds me. If he can do it with the situation he inherited, I think he can handle coaching these guys we have now...
 
IU ran into a buzzsaw in Syracuse and had a down year, yes, after losing our entire team. Not all that surprising but some want to act surprised, I guess, so they can complain about the coach and talk about how IU needs someone who "gets" Indiana. It's just a tired perspective, IMO. A lot of people are frustrated; how can you not be? But Sweet 16 rings have nothing to do with it. Cutting down the nets has nothing to do with it.
 
It all comes down to people wanting this instant success; well, this isn't UK. That's not going to happen because of how our coach runs his program. He is in the midst of building the next great team. You can't do it year after year after year until you have stability in scholarships and in other areas. But yeah, let's fire this guy and start over once again... sounds smart. JMHO.

I think your reasoning is fair. I just disagree. Crean may have had one of the most talented players on a team but certainly not one of the best teams. Syracuse didn't even win the tournament. 7 years is not instant success.

[schoosier 3,451]

Welcome back topics from 2 seasons ago. We missed you

I'm sure most if not all of the topics have probably been covered a few times. If you would add to the actual discussion vs baiting you might find it more enjoyable. Not everyone will see things your way but you should respect other opinions or just not comment at all. Follow forum rules.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

I think your reasoning is fair. I just disagree. Crean may have had one of the most talented players on a team but certainly not one of the best teams. Syracuse didn't even win the tournament. 7 years is not instant success.

Fair enough. Sure, Cuse did not win the title but it was a terrible matchup for IU's personnel especially considering the injuries suffered. What will always bug me about that year is that IU was sent east despite winning the outright title. That was ridiculous.

 

IMO 2012-13 was one of the best because it was so much more than talented. It was dominant for many stretches, but that team hit a wall after MSU and never really recovered. That's one area I hope IU does a better job in; managing the physicality of the Big Ten in preparation for the tournament. It's no wonder a Big Ten team hasn't won it all since 2000.

[CampHoosier 3,697]

I'm sure most if not all of the topics have probably been covered a few times. If you would add to the actual discussion vs baiting you might find it more enjoyable. Not everyone will see things your way but you should respect other opinions or just not comment at all. Follow forum rules.

 

I have had this conversation in at least 5 threads on two different IU forums. Not interested in the net cutting and sweet 16 ring conversation anymore. It's semantics. Plain and simple. If you don't like Crean you'll find any way to jab at him, including two of the biggest non-basketball related things in his career at IU. 

[coachmayhew 1,414]

I don't understand y people think we have to go out east to recruit. Y we can't stay home in our state an get the best kids here. Like we had done for years. Indiana kids knw basketball an how to compete. If we would just focus on indiana kids top recruits will see what we have an want to join an elite program. But tht elite isn't going to be if crean keeps going in the direction his going. This is y Stevens did so well at butler besides knowing how to coach. But I'd rather have a 2-3 star indiana kid four 4 years then a 5 star kid for one year every other year or if tht. We need to get back to our roots



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The easy answer here is because the best players in the state are choosing to leave the state with a small number of exceptions.

Watford & Oladipo were not Indiana boys and now they are Hoosiers for life!


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[schoosier 3,451]

Fair enough. Sure, Cuse did not win the title but it was a terrible matchup for IU's personnel especially considering the injuries suffered. What will always bug me about that year is that IU was sent east despite winning the outright title. That was ridiculous.
 
IMO 2012-13 was one of the best because it was so much more than talented. It was dominant for many stretches, but that team hit a wall after MSU and never really recovered. That's one area I hope IU does a better job in; managing the physicality of the Big Ten in preparation for the tournament. It's no wonder a Big Ten team hasn't won it all since 2000.

I definately agree we got screwed on the draw. I also agree we hit a wall late in the B1G season which carried over to the tournament. We were definately playing better in the prior year's tournament. One of the biggest challenges for a coach is getting the team to peak at the right time, but my recollection is that most of the players weren't playing high volume minutes. You also have to shorten practice, weight training time, diet, etc to max at the right time.

[schoosier 3,451]

I have had this conversation in at least 5 threads on two different IU forums. Not interested in the net cutting and sweet 16 ring conversation anymore. It's semantics. Plain and simple. If you don't like Crean you'll find any way to jab at him, including two of the biggest non-basketball related things in his career at IU.

You may not be interested in the net or ring ceremonies but how about final fours or championships? With the loaded roster of two years ago who needs to get the jab? Some alumni who has witnessed excellence at his school who participates on a fan forum or the head coach? I understand your loyalty to Crean; its as obvious as your posts without even knowing your username. But at some point even you have to realize he has taken us as far as his coaching talents can go. Talent wins but obviously you need more. Look no further than Syracuse. Adding 6 newcomers in year 7 without adding the one big need you have is just as obvious as lack of coaching. You have to balance classes or go juco or 5th year which Crean couldn't sell although he tried. I still root and cheer for our team, but the end is very near. A lineup of guards with little post presence just won't get in done in the B1G.

[JuwantGrimeShakes? 533]

I have a theory on why this may be happening more.  I could be totally wrong on this, and that wouldn't exactly be a first.

 

Here is my crackpot theory.  Is it just Indiana kids not wanting to go to IU, or is it kids from other places not wanting to attend State U.?  Because I wonder how much Lebron leaving home and going off to Miami plays into these kids thinking.  They saw the most famous basketball player leave his hometown to head off and make his own way.  I wonder if some of them want to "leave home" like he did.  In some weird way I wonder if they are trying to emulate Lebron. 

 

I could be 100% off on this, but it's a thought I've had on my long commute home from time to time.  

 

Edit:  Just to be clear, I am not saying this is the only reason.  I just wonder if this plays into kids thinking at all. 

I'll bet it does more than we see. Not because of Lebron or anything really, but the family stuff. I went to IU because it was 12 hours away from my family and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Who knows how much that kind of thing influences these Indiana kids? Even ones who stay nearby, it's one thing to go to college an hour from home where your parents can drop in at any time, it's another to go 5 or 6 hours away where at least you'll get some warning.

I think we forget they're kids making decisions with this kind of thing in mind and not just ranking of schools.

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

Will a lineup of guards with very little post presence get it done out if conference? We had a team that got it done in conference but failed come tourney time. If we finish top half if the B1G but make a run to an elite 8 will people be happier?


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[CampHoosier 3,697]

Will a lineup of guards with very little post presence get it done out if conference? We had a team that got it done in conference but failed come tourney time. If we finish top half if the B1G but make a run to an elite 8 will people be happier?


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