Kenny Johnson to Louisville

[mdn82 25,765]

Why say he won't come in with a title in hand or win in the first few years? Imo this is another excuse as to why we can't hire the right coach. It will be difficult to find a suitable replacement for Kenny because Creans longevity is coming to an end that most assistant coaches can see it. I actually thought KJ did a great job and I don't blame him for leaving for greener pastures.

Lol, who are we pulling that has won a title?   Come on man.  Excuse?  Who is going to leave their team that won a title?  As for Kenny you can read any one of my other posts I just posted on this.  You need to look around to see how common this is for a successful recruiting coordinator.  

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

The recruiting coordinator position is often a revolving door. Its not uncommon at all for it to be a chain like this:

 

University wants certain recruit from AAU powerhouse --> AAU coach hired as recruiting coordinator --> new coach uses connections to pull the elite players he used to coach/his friends coach --> leaves program that hired him to make a name for himself around NCAA/learn more about game --> Move up coaching ladder

 

IU can pull kids no matter what. It may be more of a struggle, but ultimately it doesn't matter who is selling the school because overall the product is the same IMO. 

 

We will be fine without KJ. It mostly sucks for the players he recruited who are already here and for 2015. 

[schoosier 3,613]

Dude... keep it together. Theres no way we are worse than the Davis years right now. We have plenty of talent with good heads on their shoulders on the roster (granted its not evenly spread in terms of across 1-5), but we have talent. Its almost contradictory how you say we are worse than we were then, but that we are only a good head coach away from being top 5 again. 
 
Crean came in and stabilized the program. Was he the only one who could have done it? Hell no. But did he do it? Yea, so there is that to be thankful for. I agree that he is not the man who is going to take IU to the next level... thats obvious really. But don't freak out. Assuming he is out after next year, or in the immediate future, he will have left IU better than he found it. 
 
The real issue to freak out about is the administration making the right hire next IMO.

I agree on the administration and disagree on Mike Davis as I do think its worse. We had the built in excuse because it was his first job and he didn't understand the Indiana way. Now, we have a prior head coach who understands "It's Indiana" plus the best facilities in college basketball yet we cannot match what Davis did. Plus, we are in total rebuild going on year seven and with coaches and players leaving like its Team Titanic. Yes, it is worse.

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

No, losing Kenny is certainly not the end of IU. Losing Calbert wasn't either. But both are signs of a program in decline. I just hope it doesn't spiral out of control before we can replace Crean. His legacy should be leaving IU better than it was before he came. I will thank him sincerely for doing that.

This is similar to where I am at. In my opinion, Crean is a lame duck coach and unless he takes us to a Sweet 16 next year, he will be gone. 

[HoosierCoop 4,089]

I know that every move that happens within this program has an effect on everybody. 

 

Keep this in mind that what is happening within our University is a very small piece of the pie that is happening nation wide.

 

Basketball across the board has taken a nose dive with transfers, age limits, AAU, talks of unions, NCAA, etc.  We are all in a cess pool of negativity.

 

History is changing for the worst, and face it, will never be the same.  We as fans, definitely including myself, need to find a balance for it quickly.

[mdn82 25,765]

No, losing Kenny is certainly not the end of IU. Losing Calbert wasn't either. But both are signs of a program in decline. I just hope it doesn't spiral out of control before we can replace Crean. His legacy should be leaving IU better than it was before he came. I will thank him sincerely for doing that.

 

I can honestly respect that.  I feel the same.  I am of the mind he has taken us from the gutter to here and the next hire will have to take us further.  Whether or not that is the case remains to be seen.  If we have a similar year next year, we will know.  

[BlueDevil 9,256]

[quote name="schoosier" post="61566" timestamp="1398175605"]I agree on the administration and disagree on Mike Davis as I do think its worse. We had the built in excuse because it was his first job and he didn't understand the Indiana way. Now, we have a prior head coach who understands "It's Indiana" plus the best facilities in college basketball yet we cannot match what Davis did. Plus, we are in total rebuild going on year seven and with coaches and players leaving like its Team Titanic. Yes, it is worse.[/quote]

I don't know if I would say total rebuild with a solid core of contributors coming back with some talent coming in. Sure we will be thin thin thin in the front court but damn our guards and wings are gonna be nice.

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

I agree on the administration and disagree on Mike Davis as I do think its worse. We had the built in excuse because it was his first job and he didn't understand the Indiana way. Now, we have a prior head coach who understands "It's Indiana" plus the best facilities in college basketball yet we cannot match what Davis did. Plus, we are in total rebuild going on year seven and with coaches and players leaving like its Team Titanic. Yes, it is worse.

A year ago we won the B1G and were a #1 seed in the NCAA tournament. We had a bad year last year for a slew of reasons. I won't dispute that. Please don't think I am a Crean supporter because I really am not. However, I just don't see how its conceivable that we are worse than we were in those times. 

 

I'd argue Davis had a better concept of what "its Indiana" means seeing as he was an assistant under Knight.

 

Players are leaving like its the titanic? We lost Etherington's whopping 2 points per game, Hollowell's unmotivated self..... and Marlin... and a few walk ons. Vonleh was expected. You're kidding yourself if you dont think at a school of ~40,000 the walk ons are replaceable. 

 

Davis only got to a Final Four with Knight's players. Crean achieved a lot in the regular season with guys he brought in. The cupboard is close to full. 

 

I think he should go after next year and I wont be surprised if whoever comes in next wins with his players. The real issue is the administration making the right hire- and there is no obvious choice right now. 

[mdn82 25,765]

After we were out of the gutter from Sampson, Crean won't have the luxury of what Davis had?  Better under Davis?  14-15 followed up with 15-14 and he was given another year.  Better under Davis?  That won't happen again.  Davis didn't understand this is Indiana?  He sure as hell was an assistant under Knight for a few years.  He knew what Indiana had, but he wasn't about to recruit Indiana the Bob Knight way.  The administration wanted the exact opposite of Knight.  I am guessing even to the worst Crean haters, the thought of being better under Davis is a laughing matter.  

[schoosier 3,613]

Davis winning with Knight players is an excuse for the success he had for one tournament. Just like Steve Fisher winning a championship with Frieders players at Michigan. While I certainly did not like the way Davis did anything relating to Indiana basketball after his one run, I won't deny what he did or make excuses for why he won. Just like Creans championship last year. He won when he had to and he has his banner to show for it.

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

Whats the difference between an excuse and reasoning?

[Hovadipo 59,101]

[quote name="KelleyHoosh" post="61580" timestamp="1398177283"]Whats the difference between an excuse and reasoning?[/quote]

All depends on how you want to degrade someone else's opinion.


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[mdn82 25,765]

All depends on how you want to degrade someone else's opinion.


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Yep.

[hoosierpap 14,300]

rickbozich @rickbozich

Recruiting is a collision sport. Now it's Tom Crean's turn to respond to Rick Pitino's shrewd hire of Kenny Johnson. bit.ly/1lzv2YJ

[mdn82 25,765]

 

rickbozich @rickbozich

Recruiting is a collision sport. Now it's Tom Crean's turn to respond to Rick Pitino's shrewd hire of Kenny Johnson. bit.ly/1lzv2YJ

 

 

"Speculation always percolates when an assistant coach changes jobs, but this one isn’t difficult to analyze. Johnson is a determined up-and-comer who will run his own program one day. "

[Basketball4iU 2,006]

[quote name="WayneHoosier" post="61411" timestamp="1398134654"]I have been following everything very closely. That's why I am so pissed. When does the fanbase get some answers.[/quote]
This why I started posting the things I knew. I was bewildered until I got the inside scoop ..it's only a matter of time!


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[Basketball4iU 2,006]

What I can say KJ unmotivated during practice time...maybe he gets on the recruit trail but...not sure if there was agreement on coaching style or what...but there was something and I don't want speak for KJ... But there was something...just like Calbert.


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[TheStillman 991]

What I can say KJ unmotivated during practice time...maybe he gets on the recruit trail but...not sure if there was agreement on coaching style or what...but there was something and I don't want speak for KJ... But there was something...just like Calbert.


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By acting as an insider on a free message board and posting this kind of thing you speak for KJ just like you speak for Calbert.  Now everyone will just say "bball4u said KJ wasn't happy with Crean!  He said it and he's in the know!"

[JSHoosier 21,482]

By acting as an insider on a free message board and posting this kind of thing you speak for KJ just like you speak for Calbert.  Now everyone will just say "bball4u said KJ wasn't happy with Crean!  He said it and he's in the know!"

This guy has built up some credibility, he's been right a few times.

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,741]

This why I started posting the things I knew. I was bewildered until I got the inside scoop ..it's only a matter of time!Sent from the gym using BtownBanners

Seems that way. Appreciate the response. Some ppl feel better thinking everything is okay but the proof is in the pudding. Curious to know more about the "it's only a matter of time". I guess I will eventually.