Hollowell & Etherington transferring..

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="Baltimore Hoosier" post="53443" timestamp="1395775376"]I don't expect you to reveal sources. But honestly, if this was really the case, like i said, why would guys like Yogi or Williams stick around? Just to be berrated and told they won't amount to anything? If I was in that situation, I'd be like screw it, I could go play anywhere else and not have to deal with it.. And potentially be on a Natonal Championship contender. There is so much anti-Crean rhetoric floating around out there, that it's hard for me to decipher for myself what's true and what's not.. I am skeptical in terms of what was actually said, as opposed to what is being passed along to you by your sources. Like you said earlier, it's like the old telephone game.....[/quote] Here's the best way I can think of to explain this. "I hate you" Vs "I hate you" (said sarcastically) Both sentences are exactly the same, but one comes off as offensive while the other comes off playful. Do I think Crean said those things? 100% I do. Do I think Crean meant them to come across the way they did? 100% I don't. The speech and meeting he was trying to have, in my opinion, was showing the value of leadership and how without it you won't succeed in life. You need to develop and draw out those qualities in yourself to achieve those things. I am pretty sure what I mentioned above was said, I just have the feeling his tone didn't deliver the message the correct way. Speeches aren't just about the words you use or say to convey the message, I'd say 90% of the speech is how you deliver it. I think Crean bombed on the delivery of this one. L Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[Townie 138]

So you're saying he's a chip off the old block, eh?

hahah good point. I never thought about it that way as I never actually interacted with Dan Dakich himself, but I have heard he's a pretty big douche.  He pretty much tossed aside his marriage and bragged about never being happier in his life in some article or something.

[HystericalHoosier 17]

Here's the best way I can think of to explain this.

"I hate you"
Vs
"I hate you" (said sarcastically)

Both sentences are exactly the same, but one comes off as offensive while the other comes off playful. Do I think Crean said those things? 100% I do. Do I think Crean meant them to come across the way they did? 100% I don't.

The speech and meeting he was trying to have, in my opinion, was showing the value of leadership and how without it you won't succeed in life. You need to develop and draw out those qualities in yourself to achieve those things. I am pretty sure what I mentioned above was said, I just have the feeling his tone didn't deliver the message the correct way.

Speeches aren't just about the words you use or say to convey the message, is say 90% of the speech is how you deliver it. I think Crean bombed on the delivery of this one.
L


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My mom has always told me "Communication is a receiver phenomenon". It all depends on how the person being spoken to interprets the message. Even with the most careful of deliberations, words can still come across with a different meaning than what one wants.

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="Townie" post="53454" timestamp="1395776000"]hahah good point. I never thought about it that way as I never actually interacted with Dan Dakich himself, but I have heard he's a pretty big douche. He pretty much tossed aside his marriage and bragged about never being happier in his life in some article or something.[/quote]

In his defense on that; anyone who gets a divorce basically says the exact same thing.


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[Baltimore Hoosier 986]

On the bright side.. If anyone cares to look there.

 

- Yogi will be one of the best PG's if not THE best PG in the country next season.

- Troy Willaims did his best Oladipo impression last season. Can't wait to see what he and Stan Robinson look like in next season.

- Blackmon and RJ can shoot the lights out, which was a MAJOR flaw in the Hoosier's game last season.

- I think there's a good chance we land Anthony Lee.

- No one is expecting anything out of Hanner.. Maybe he'll make some improvements in the offseason and be able to contribute.

[Rayl 527]

I don't expect you to reveal sources. But honestly, if this was really the case, like i said, why would guys like Yogi or Williams stick around? Just to be berrated and told they won't amount to anything? If I was in that situation, I'd be like screw it, I could go play anywhere else and not have to deal with it.. And potentially be on a Natonal Championship contender.

 

Why did some players take Knight's crap and others didn't?

 

Some people are able to tolerate things that others find intolerable. In the case of Yogi and Williams, it's pretty simple. They are starters. They both have NBA dreams. They don't have much to gain by transferring and sitting out a year at this point. For the walk-ons the equation is different. They know they aren't going to the NBA. They are there because they enjoy playing ball and being a part of the program. I they think they are not being respected or the coach is making things unenjoyable, they can find other things to do and other places to be.

 

That is of course assuming the story is true as it has been conveyed.

[Hwy 1 2,053]

Here's the best way I can think of to explain this. "I hate you" Vs "I hate you" (said sarcastically) Both sentences are exactly the same, but one comes off as offensive while the other comes off playful. Do I think Crean said those things? 100% I do. Do I think Crean meant them to come across the way they did? 100% I don't. The speech and meeting he was trying to have, in my opinion, was showing the value of leadership and how without it you won't succeed in life. You need to develop and draw out those qualities in yourself to achieve those things. I am pretty sure what I mentioned above was said, I just have the feeling his tone didn't deliver the message the correct way. Speeches aren't just about the words you use or say to convey the message, I'd say 90% of the speech is how you deliver it. I think Crean bombed on the delivery of this one. L Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

 

I would have never gathered this ^

 

from this:

 

 

Crean called a team meeting after the NIT Selection show and went bonkers. Went off about our Seniors lack of leadership and placing the blame on their shoulders. (2 of the seniors were 4 year walk ons who busted their tails in practice and have outstanding GPAs.). Crean went on about how 3/4 of them wouldn't amount to anything in life, be divorced and broke because they don't have any leadership qualities. He basically attacked the seniors & walk ons for this season and it rubbed the whole team the wrong way. ESPECIALLY the walk ons. This is pretty much the gist of that meeting, but it wasn't a good one by any account. Crean then gave the team the week off and the transfers happened on the first day back.

 

 

Not criticizing, just saying that I wish you would have relayed the top in the bottom.

[Townie 138]

On the bright side.. If anyone cares to look there.

 

- Yogi will be one of the best PG's if not THE best PG in the country next season.

- Troy Willaims did his best Oladipo impression last season. Can't wait to see what he and Stan Robinson look like in next season.

- Blackmon and RJ can shoot the lights out, which was a MAJOR flaw in the Hoosier's game last season.

- I think there's a good chance we land Anthony Lee.

- No one is expecting anything out of Hanner.. Maybe he'll make some improvements in the offseason and be able to contribute.

it's critical that Crean acquires a solid big guy... or two, for IU to have a success year.  Lee would be a great start.

 

Let's also pray that HMP has a miraculous off season and comes back as a clone of Louisville's Montrezl Harrell.  He doesn't need to know how to handle the rock or anything, just learn a few post moves and dunk everything that comes his way.

[Baltimore Hoosier 986]

it's critical that Crean acquires a solid big guy... or two, for IU to have a success year.  Lee would be a great start.

 

Let's also pray that HMP has a miraculous off season and comes back as a clone of Louisville's Montrezl Harrell.  He doesn't need to know how to handle the rock or anything, just learn a few post moves and dunk anything that comes his way.

 

I always hoped Perrea could be a Raymar Morgan (Michigan State) type of guy.. Athletic freak who could jump out of the gym. I knew he woiuld be raw in terms of actual basketball talent, but have hope that Crean and staff can develop him into something other than a muscle bound bench warmer.. I guess I'm in the minority here lol.

[KingPG21 6,583]

Dakich reads the message boards.

 

It will surely be tested as to whether he feels the need to discuss this line of info.

He'd probably come out in support of the actions just to upset people and get people to tune in...... just kidding.... maybe

[Myrmidon76 614]

The staff earned the bonkers meeting in my opinion. If he wants to vent on people...he need look no further than the men at the top of the bench. The kids need a speech like that once in a while...but in a mentor-like "Hey, heres how the world works if you din't pay attention" tone.

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="Hwy 1" post="53461" timestamp="1395776340"]I would have never gathered this ^

from this:



Not criticizing, just saying that I wish you would have relayed the top in the bottom.[/quote]

That's fair. The first post was what I have been told by multiple people. The bottom post is 100% my take on the events and that is just how I wrap my head around the things he said. That's why I kept them separate.

[Hovadipo 55,498]

[quote name="Townie" post="53466" timestamp="1395776548"]it's critical that Crean acquires a solid big guy... or two, for IU to have a success year. Lee would be a great start.

Let's also pray that HMP has a miraculous off season and comes back as a clone of Louisville's Montrezl Harrell. He doesn't need to know how to handle the rock or anything, just learn a few post moves and dunk everything that comes his way.[/quote]

Hanner would need to pack on about 40 pounds of pure muscle and learn to look terrifying.


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And you know, anyway things turn out, at least we are not in the same position as those inbred ass clowns at Rupp. I mean, its gonna be hilarious the meltdown they have when U of L boots their sorry asses right back home to Lexington. Oh Calipari, who cheated everywhere he had ever coached, but suddenly became a saint in the eyes of his UK accusers when he became their coach. Go Cardinals!

[JSHoosier 20,019]

And you know, anyway things turn out, at least we are not in the same position as those inbred ass clowns at Rupp. I mean, its gonna be hilarious the meltdown they have when U of L boots their sorry asses right back home to Lexington. Oh Calipari, who cheated everywhere he had ever coached, but suddenly became a saint in the eyes of his UK accusers when he became their coach. Go Cardinals!

I'd love to see UL beat them, but UK won when they faced off earlier this year.

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[mdn82 25,510]

I don't expect you to reveal sources. But honestly, if this was really the case, like i said, why would guys like Yogi or Williams stick around? Just to be berrated and told they won't amount to anything? If I was in that situation, I'd be like screw it, I could go play anywhere else and not have to deal with it.. And potentially be on a Natonal Championship contender.

 

There is so much anti-Crean rhetoric floating around out there, that it's hard for me to decipher for myself what's true and what's not.. I am skeptical in terms of what was actually said, as opposed to what is being passed along to you by your sources. Like you said earlier, it's like the old telephone game.....

 

Crean has coddled certain players.  Certain players he has not held back on.  For whatever reason.  None of us know truly what goes on in those meetings/practices.  However, we have a pretty good hunch Jeremy failed a drug test, went from 25 mpg to like 10 and was suspended 2 games.  Hanner, a non-contributor gets a DUI and gets 2 games.  That is just what is out in the open.  Crean and Sheehey have went at it for 4 years.  It would not surprise me in the least to see Crean give some exit shots.  If he truly said what was said earlier, that is appalling.  Will we ever know for 100% sure?  Probably not.  Don't be surprised if this doesn't happen at more schools more often.  These coaches are getting paid millions to win.  Especially at IU, the pressure must be enormous.  I am not condoning if he said that or even if it is somewhere in the middle of that and a Knight tirade.  Just not sure why people would be surprised the head coach at IU blowing up after knowing they weren't going anywhere tournament wise.  

[coachmayhew 1,414]

So much information on this thread, I hate that I believe any of it, not all of it. Truth hurts as well as lies, either way not how I pictured this after last years preseason #1, what a difference a year makes.


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