Fire Moren

[Claxdj01]

Coach moren created a program, but the game has moved faster than she has. The cycle of an empty hall, to full back, to empty is complete. The elite 8 team was fantastic, the next year team was better, killed by UConn. The number 1 seed team got beat at home by Miami, which never happens in the women tournaments. Last couple years they gave a good second half effort against a powerhouse South Carolina. This year’s team won’t make the big ten tournament. It won’t be popular, but if the team performs people support it. Now it looks like middle school ball
 

 

[jefftheref]

I know nothing but for some reason I believe Moren will resign at the end of the year. In my opinion she is burned out and doesn't seem happy. I hope I am wrong. 

[Stuhoo]

As a team, they are averaging 15 turnovers and 10 assists per game. And that includes all those early season easier games. For the B1G it’s even worse.

Brutal

[TheWatShot]

We can debate expectations all we want, but I think everyone would agree that a P5 coach in her 12th season should never be 0-10 in the conference under any circumstances. 

[Claxdj01]

7 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

We can debate expectations all we want, but I think everyone would agree that a P5 coach in her 12th season should never be 0-10 in the conference under any circumstances. 

Before our game started I was watching espn and they had Kansas on. They are 3-6 in conference, have a winning record I think 13-8. Meister was playing all the minutes. She wasn’t outstanding but would be a star on this squad.

[LamarCheeks]

I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes, but this program definitely seems broken. 

We were a Final Four-caliber program. 

Went to an Elite Eight. Went to a Sweet 16. Were ranked No. 2 in the country. Got a No. 1 seed. Gave the eventual unbeaten NCAA champions their toughest game in the NCAAs. 

You don't do all that, then go 0-10 in your conference just a couple years later. Or at least you shouldn't. 

The mass exodus last season was very concerning to me. On the surface, only Garzon seemed like a real loss -- but to have all those players leave when there was PT to be had this year? Makes me wonder what exactly is going on. 

Maybe CTM is burned out -- I don't know. But this program just isn't right, and no way should we be in the freefall we are now after where we were just a few years back. 

Wouldn't be surprised at all if she and Scott sit down at the end of the season and decide it's time for both parties to move on. 

[mickey one]

You should rename this "Time for Moren to move on?"  What if it turns out she has cancer or some illness? She has been a great coach for a long time; it's just that the consensus seems to be that she is burned out, and cannot bounce back--for the benefit of IU, the fans, or herself.

Mack Holmes said that CTM was the most competitive person she ever knew, so these recent failures must really bother CTM.

If CTM could bounce back, we would all be thrilled, but at this point, it just seems extremely, extremely unlikely, and the whole thing has become a painful ordeal for all involved.

Just a thought.

[Aaron]

"Time For Moren to move on?" is absolutely the appropriate name for this thread and it matches what has happened to Joe McKeown recently at NW recently who was the best coach in history of program similar to Moren and is retiring after season. 

As I have said, the future appears bright with the new recruiting coach and recruiting class but that only applies if Moren's heart is still in the job which I do question. 

It is indeed odd that she seems checked out on bench and uses no timeouts when other team is on a big run. Her and Dolson need to sit down after the season and decide if she is indeed wanting to do this still.

If this is all just a bad recruiting year and cleaning up from Linda Sayavongchanh lack of recruiting, then Moren absolutely deserves to stay and give it a shot with these new elite players coming in. If she is burnt out and her heart is not into the modern game and NIL, similar to McKeown than an identical retirement is best path forward. 

Which one it is needs to be looked into carefully by Dolson and proceed accordingly. 

As for new coaches, my vote as I will continue to say is to get Shauna Green if we can some how pull her from Illinois as most realistic high end candidate who would thrive here and fans would fall in love with even more so than Moren. If not, a Glen Box reunion is the realistic choice.

Again though, it all depends on if Moren wants to continue to do this and she owes it to fans and herself to be honest and decide if her heart is still in it. 

[LamarCheeks]

1 hour ago, Aaron said:

"Time For Moren to move on?" is absolutely the appropriate name for this thread and it matches what has happened to Joe McKeown recently at NW recently who was the best coach in history of program similar to Moren and is retiring after season. 

As I have said, the future appears bright with the new recruiting coach and recruiting class but that only applies if Moren's heart is still in the job which I do question. 

It is indeed odd that she seems checked out on bench and uses no timeouts when other team is on a big run. Her and Dolson need to sit down after the season and decide if she is indeed wanting to do this still.

If this is all just a bad recruiting year and cleaning up from Linda Sayavongchanh lack of recruiting, then Moren absolutely deserves to stay and give it a shot with these new elite players coming in. If she is burnt out and her heart is not into the modern game and NIL, similar to McKeown than an identical retirement is best path forward. 

Which one it is needs to be looked into carefully by Dolson and proceed accordingly. 

As for new coaches, my vote as I will continue to say is to get Shauna Green if we can some how pull her from Illinois as most realistic high end candidate who would thrive here and fans would fall in love with even more so than Moren. If not, a Glen Box reunion is the realistic choice.

Again though, it all depends on if Moren wants to continue to do this and she owes it to fans and herself to be honest and decide if her heart is still in it. 

I have to be honest, I don't watch a whole lot of women's basketball -- other than IU. 

What is it you like so much about Shauna Green? I don't know much about her other than she was at Dayton, then went to Champaign. 

Not criticizing. Not questioning your judgement. Just curious. That's all. 

[Aaron]

2 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

I have to be honest, I don't watch a whole lot of women's basketball -- other than IU. 

What is it you like so much about Shauna Green? I don't know much about her other than she was at Dayton, then went to Champaign. 

Not criticizing. Not questioning your judgement. Just curious. That's all. 

She has turned an Illinois program around that was worse than IU into a solid team. She plays with a system that includes slashing/driving athletic guards that fit the modern game really well. Her press conferences are some of the most intelligent and technically sound out there.

She has a lot of Moren's values, but is a much softer version of her (in a good way) and someone who would instantly become beloved as the face of the program. Green also seems like a super nice person. Moren is an excellent coach and a great face of the program, but has a gruff side to her that is entirely absent from Green's personality.

Basically she is everything Moren is without the two small flaws of being a bit outwardly gruff and much better adapted to NIL and modern game.  

[jermhoosierfan]

1 hour ago, Aaron said:

She has turned an Illinois program around that was worse than IU into a solid team. She plays with a system that includes slashing/driving athletic guards that fit the modern game really well. Her press conferences are some of the most intelligent and technically sound out there.

She has a lot of Moren's values, but is a much softer version of her (in a good way) and someone who would instantly become beloved as the face of the program. Green also seems like a super nice person. Moren is an excellent coach and a great face of the program, but has a gruff side to her that is entirely absent from Green's personality.

Basically she is everything Moren is without the two small flaws of being a bit outwardly gruff and much better adapted to NIL and modern game.  

A quick Google search also shows that she is a Cubs fan, so you can count me in on her.  Taking a coach from the Illini is also a plus.

[ronzo4IU]

2 hours ago, Aaron said:

"Time For Moren to move on?" is absolutely the appropriate name for this thread and it matches what has happened to Joe McKeown recently at NW recently who was the best coach in history of program similar to Moren and is retiring after season. 

As I have said, the future appears bright with the new recruiting coach and recruiting class but that only applies if Moren's heart is still in the job which I do question. 

It is indeed odd that she seems checked out on bench and uses no timeouts when other team is on a big run. Her and Dolson need to sit down after the season and decide if she is indeed wanting to do this still.

If this is all just a bad recruiting year and cleaning up from Linda Sayavongchanh lack of recruiting, then Moren absolutely deserves to stay and give it a shot with these new elite players coming in. If she is burnt out and her heart is not into the modern game and NIL, similar to McKeown than an identical retirement is best path forward. 

Which one it is needs to be looked into carefully by Dolson and proceed accordingly. 

As for new coaches, my vote as I will continue to say is to get Shauna Green if we can some how pull her from Illinois as most realistic high end candidate who would thrive here and fans would fall in love with even more so than Moren. If not, a Glen Box reunion is the realistic choice.

Again though, it all depends on if Moren wants to continue to do this and she owes it to fans and herself to be honest and decide if her heart is still in it. 

Are we a step up, lateral move or step down from Illinois womens basketball?

[Aaron]

3 minutes ago, ronzo4IU said:

Are we a step up, lateral move or step down from Illinois womens basketball?

Probably fairly lateral but with right promises and resources, moving to a similar school two hours away would be easy for her if interested. Whether they can get her is another question but she would be my dream hire of any halfway realistic candidates. 

[TTT]

Give T. Moren UCONN players and she wins National Championship…like many coaches.

Maybe, AD and T. Moren have talked a couple times.

Has 2026 under 19 USA coach been announced?  Last year it was announced in May.

Sidenote:  which does not look promising next year for this player because of her history….Z has no timeline and is not coming back soon from other foot injury.

Don’t like either title “Fire Moren” nor “Time for Moren to Move On”….unless maybe used as motivation to get a big ten win.

 

 

 

[ronzo4IU]

2 hours ago, Aaron said:

Probably fairly lateral but with right promises and resources, moving to a similar school two hours away would be easy for her if interested. Whether they can get her is another question but she would be my dream hire of any halfway realistic candidates. 

It would be really interesting to know what resources CTM has compared with other Big schools for comparison?

[TTT]

1 minute ago, ronzo4IU said:

It would be really interesting to know what resources CTM has compared with other Big schools for comparison?

And what NIL is available comparisons across big ten and top major schools in the whole U.S…..and how things have shook out for T. Moren (because NIL will be competitive in transfer portal).  

Mark Cuban and or a couple others could solve the NIL situation for IU Ladies Basketball coach if anyone knows what they are doing.

[ronzo4IU]

9 minutes ago, TTT said:

And what NIL is available comparisons across big ten and top major schools in the whole U.S…..and how things have shook out for T. Moren (because NIL will be competitive in transfer portal).  

Mark Cuban and or a couple others could solve the NIL situation for IU Ladies Basketball coach if anyone knows what they are doing.

My gut feeling is that with the current state of affairs inside IU sports is there has to be some give somewhere and that is likely the womens basketball program. 

If we lose CTM I feel like we will be moving and assistant up from the bench with a modest raise and a chance to work their chops.

[TTT]

27 minutes ago, ronzo4IU said:

My gut feeling is that with the current state of affairs inside IU sports is there has to be some give somewhere and that is likely the womens basketball program. 

If we lose CTM I feel like we will be moving and assistant up from the bench with a modest raise and a chance to work their chops.

Sometimes it’s best to stand pat.

[Banksyrules]

3 hours ago, jermhoosierfan said:

A quick Google search also shows that she is a Cubs fan, so you can count me in on her.  Taking a coach from the Illini is also a plus.

We want to win though so I think this disqualifies her as a candidate… (-;

[Claxdj01]

24 minutes ago, ronzo4IU said:

My gut feeling is that with the current state of affairs inside IU sports is there has to be some give somewhere and that is likely the womens basketball program. 

If we lose CTM I feel like we will be moving and assistant up from the bench with a modest raise and a chance to work their chops.

I would think that their goal would to be winners in every sport. Indiana has the largest alumni base in the country, with many very wealthy people. I don’t buy that money isn’t there to be used. If the university makes a coaching change I highly doubt an assistant would be the choice. You don’t promote an assistant from a team that’s last in the league if you’re serious about winning