How is Darian DeVries Doing So Far?

[Uspshoosier]

2 minutes ago, Josh said:

Lol.  Show me the lie

Surprised with your high standards you would be impressed with a coach 10-9 in conference.  3-7 on the road with losses at bottom feeder Penn st and Maryland 

[Uspshoosier]

5 minutes ago, Josh said:

Lol.  Show me the lie

If you would have said just Dusty May I’m with you 100.    Dusty is a once in a lifetime coach that had IU ties and IU dropped the ball.   Not seeing it with McCollum having watched his team play all year.   Hard pass on him at least for me 

[HinnyHoosier]

9 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

If you would have said just Dusty May I’m with you 100.    Dusty is a once in a lifetime coach that had IU ties and IU dropped the ball.   Not seeing it with McCollum having watched his team play all year.   Hard pass on him at least for me 

And we'll see how he fares next year without his 'everything guy'.

[fwgreenway]

24 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

If you would have said just Dusty May I’m with you 100.    Dusty is a once in a lifetime coach that had IU ties and IU dropped the ball.

I think this is the right thread to ask, although it's premature at the moment. IF...CDD doesn't work out and IU moves on again down the road - Does IU have any shot in your opinion to bring Dusty in or is it just a lost cause period?

[Uspshoosier]

7 minutes ago, fwgreenway said:

I think this is the right thread to ask, although it's premature at the moment. IF...CDD doesn't work out and IU moves on again down the road - Does IU have any shot in your opinion to bring Dusty in or is it just a lost cause period?

I think the ship has sailed unless down the road he hits a rough patch at Michigan and needs a soft landing.  The fact he has it rolling makes it really unlikely.   

[Josh]

44 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Surprised with your high standards you would be impressed with a coach 10-9 in conference.  3-7 on the road with losses at bottom feeder Penn st and Maryland 

Production over potential.  His resume is stellar and that game today was impressive.  I like McCollum.

But maybe I'm just picking anything over this current guy.  Omg give me a blind squirrel over this guy

[newcastle12]

1 hour ago, Josh said:

Production over potential.  His resume is stellar and that game today was impressive.  I like McCollum.

But maybe I'm just picking anything over this current guy.  Omg give me a blind squirrel over this guy

He's literally no different than what we have.  

[Uspshoosier]

7 hours ago, Josh said:

and that game today was impressive

That game wasn’t for me.   It was more  a wrestling match.    His team fouled every time Michigan had the ball.   I’m guessing because he knew he was outmatched and making it an unwatchable game was the only way he had a chance to win.    Very impressive D2 resume just not sure his style can win big in Power 5 basketball.    Will be interesting to see what he does next year without Stirtz which does everything for that team.  As someone who has watched almost every game of theirs for me he hasn’t blown me away with his coaching ability compared to how some on here talk about it.    Good coach just don’t think his style will produce big runs in March or even B1G titles.  Just my opinion though 

[BGleas]

8 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

I think the ship has sailed unless down the road he hits a rough patch at Michigan and needs a soft landing.  The fact he has it rolling makes it really unlikely.   

Maybe we luck into a Roy Williams situation. If I remember correctly, UNC tried to get him to leave Kansas a couple of different times before he eventually made the leap. 

[TheWatShot]

8 hours ago, fwgreenway said:

I think this is the right thread to ask, although it's premature at the moment. IF...CDD doesn't work out and IU moves on again down the road - Does IU have any shot in your opinion to bring Dusty in or is it just a lost cause period?

We would have to be seen as a step up from Michigan for several years before May would make that move. That's why we needed to get him while he was still at FAU. 

[Uspshoosier]

2 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

We would have to be seen as a step up from Michigan for several years before May would make that move

As of now Michigan and Illinois are the top NIL teams in the B1G 

[Stuhoo]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

That game wasn’t for me.   It was more  a wrestling match.    His team fouled every time Michigan had the ball.   I’m guessing because he knew he was outmatched and making it an unwatchable game was the only way he had a chance to win.    Very impressive D2 resume just not sure his style can win big in Power 5 basketball.    Will be interesting to see what he does next year without Stirtz which does everything for that team.  As someone who has watched almost every game of theirs for me he hasn’t blown me away with his coaching ability compared to how some on here talk about it.    Good coach just don’t think his style will produce big runs in March or even B1G titles.  Just my opinion though 

Both Ben McCollum and Darian Devries brought one key player with them for their first year this year. 

• Devries brought his son, who is an above average, skilled college player.
• McCollum brought Stirtz, who is an experienced college player and a likely NBA lotto pick.

That is in no way a criticism of McCollum; having an outstanding relationship with Stirtz was McCollum's doing.

• Iowa is 20-10, IU is 18-12; different but not markedly different.
• IU now runs an offensive scheme that I really like; Iowa runs a slower, to me less creative and effective offense.

If I could turn back time? I wish IU would have fired Woody and hired Dusty May a year earlier; he was there for the having and it's pretty much consensus that he was the perfect hire.

But McCollum vs. Devries? At this point (subject to hindsight later on) I'll take Devries.

[pumpfake]

Reading between the lines, we probably shouldn't get our hopes up too high for next season.  If REAL difference makers in the portal are going to command $4 million, we'd be incredibly lucky to land 2.  That combined with a very average group of returning players, it's very questionable how much better we'll be.  The incoming freshman are always a roll of the dice. And finally our new GM has indicated it will take some time before things are balanced out.

Getting an NCAA bid but unlikely to advance to the second weekend seems like the best case scenario, IMO.

[Home Jersey]

5 minutes ago, pumpfake said:

Reading between the lines, we probably shouldn't get our hopes up too high for next season.  If REAL difference makers in the portal are going to command $4 million, we'd be incredibly lucky to land 2.  That combined with a very average group of returning players, it's very questionable how much better we'll be.  The incoming freshman are always a roll of the dice. And finally our new GM has indicated it will take some time before things are balanced out.

Getting an NCAA bid but unlikely to advance to the second weekend seems like the best case scenario, IMO.

Just way too soon to make any read on next season IMO. Entirely depends on who we bring in and we don't know who they are yet, or even who is available.

In the article, the range of players who could feasibly get 4M is between 10-25 players. There are way more than 10-25 impact players in the portal. In the article, an all conference caliber player would be between 2-2.5M. We have plenty budget for the high end of the market, just not the ultra high end like Duke and BYU and UK, who can afford to spend 4M on a single player without blowing out their entire payroll.

I believe Carr was saying it would take time to get the roster where they want it from a balance perspective between HS recruiting and portal because we've been so overly reliant on the portal the past two years. I don't think he was saying it would take time to get things where they want them in terms of winning. There's no reason to lower expectations at this point. 

[AH1971]

1 hour ago, pumpfake said:

Reading between the lines, we probably shouldn't get our hopes up too high for next season.  If REAL difference makers in the portal are going to command $4 million, we'd be incredibly lucky to land 2.  That combined with a very average group of returning players, it's very questionable how much better we'll be.  The incoming freshman are always a roll of the dice. And finally our new GM has indicated it will take some time before things are balanced out.

Getting an NCAA bid but unlikely to advance to the second weekend seems like the best case scenario, IMO.

?

The article states that they believe maybe only a handful of players will be making $4+/mil next year. If you have one of them, let alone two, you're probably an early title favorite. They expect all-conference caliber players to go for $2-2.5/mil up to $3mil. IU can easily afford two of those, maybe three. 

 

edit: see Jersey beat me to the punch

[HoosierHoopster]

3 hours ago, BGleas said:

Maybe we luck into a Roy Williams situation. If I remember correctly, UNC tried to get him to leave Kansas a couple of different times before he eventually made the leap. 

Not holding my breath, May's situation at UM is clearly excellent right now, but yeah this is the best example of at least a maybe one day with continued follow up it works out.

[str8baller]

3 hours ago, BGleas said:

Maybe we luck into a Roy Williams situation. If I remember correctly, UNC tried to get him to leave Kansas a couple of different times before he eventually made the leap. 

I’d bet against it for a couple reasons.
 

1)  our alumni is way more fractured. Even if Knight were alive, it’s not like he’d be calling Dusty saying “ hey you were always my favorite manager, we need you to come home and fix this” like Dean did.  2) Roy was really kind of getting to the point of “can’t win the big one” with Kansas. They would’ve never got rid of him, but the narrative was out there. He went to 4 final fours, bunch of 1 or 2 seeds, and a bunch of teams that ranked number 1 during the season.  
 

So I guess we need to root for Dusty to go to a bunch of FF’s but never win one, and in about 15 years we make our move!

[mark1981]

16 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

I think the ship has sailed unless down the road he hits a rough patch at Michigan and needs a soft landing.  The fact he has it rolling makes it really unlikely.   

Maybe someday there is a Roy Williams scenario.  Job opens up and leaves a power house to go back home.