How is Darian DeVries Doing So Far?

[str8baller]

42 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

10 years? More like 25 years. There’s legit been only 3 seasons (02-03, 07-08, ‘12-13) in this timeframe where we had a legit team that could make a run to the Final Four (of course ‘02 being the only one). Our program had 2 hall of fame coaches this century and fired both….one of which who is still coaching and has his team in the top 10 every year. It’s a wonder why we’ve sucked for so long. 

Might as well make it 30 and tack on the 5 years at the end where Knight gave up on recruiting. People thought the program was dying then and we made the tourney every year and almost never had a losing record in conference. But UK was killing it and us, and Kansas, Duke, and UNC had clearly passed us by. It’s laughable to even put us in that conversation.  
 

There are programs like Arizona, UCLA, and Michigan who feel like they’re in major droughts who have had 10x the success we’ve had. 

[Josh]

12 hours ago, Pagoda said:

Because Scott fixed IU football.  You know, the program he inherited with the most losses in D1 and three total postseason wins.

I get you want to be all mad at Scott, but you can't ignore the 16-0 CFB National Title and the 2x AP National Coach of the Year he hired and retained that did it.

He's been in charge of IUBB for a little over a year -- it basically started when he fired Woody midseason.  

CDD is off to a bad start.  I could be wrong, but I think it's more than likely he isn't the guy.  It sucks.  And having doubts about Scott being able to hire the right bball coach is fair after the start we've seen from CDD.

But acting like there is no way Scott can figure out IUBB after he literally just figured out IUFB doesn't make sense.  Fixing IUFB was way harder, and he more than fixed it.

I don't want to be mad at it, I'd love to be happy with IU basketball.  But facts get in the way.  

I know you make excuses for Dolson here but the fact is that he's been the Athletics Director for 5 awful basketball years.  He needs to own that.

Yes, our football story is amazing!  But you can't use that to distract from everything else.  When we're talking basketball, using a distraction tactic doesn't make the point you think it does.  

Facts are, Dolson has terrible results overseeing our basketball program distractions and excuses aside.

[Pagoda]

13 minutes ago, Josh said:

I don't want to be mad at it, I'd love to be happy with IU basketball.  But facts get in the way.  

I know you make excuses for Dolson here but the fact is that he's been the Athletics Director for 5 awful basketball years.  He needs to own that.

Yes, our football story is amazing!  But you can't use that to distract from everything else.  When we're talking basketball, using a distraction tactic doesn't make the point you think it does.  

Facts are, Dolson has terrible results overseeing our basketball program distractions and excuses aside.

It's not a distraction.  You asked why people think Scott could fix IUBB.  The reason some people do is he fixed IUFB.  IUFB, like IUBB, is a significant college sport.

I'm not sure if Scott will fix IUBB, I've got my concerns, we'll see.  He's been in charge of it for about a year.

[Josh]

1 minute ago, Pagoda said:

It's not a distraction.  You asked why people think Scott could fix IUBB.  The reason some people do is he fixed IUFB.  IUFB, like IUBB, is a significant college sport.

I'm not sure if Scott will fix IUBB, I've got my concerns, we'll see.  He's been in charge of it for about a year.

I think even Dolson would disagree with you here that he's only been in charge of iubb for about a year.  Thats not how leadership works.

[Stuhoo]

8 minutes ago, Josh said:

I think even Dolson would disagree with you here that he's only been in charge of iubb for about a year.  Thats not how leadership works.

I think the point Pagoda was making is that Dolson's hands were tied until his Cignetti capital gave him the authority to dump Woody and start over with a Dolson-approved staff.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

2 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

You got a link where he said they thought they were going to be a top 10 team other then players saying we feel we are a top 10 team and can compete with anyone in the country which I hear every non top 10 team players say after a win. 

Lamar Wilkerson said it after a game.  He said we believe we are a top 10 team.  I mean, dream big, but saying you can compete and saying you are a top 10 team are 2 different things.  My opinion is this was top down thinking.  I mean why not, you had top 20 funding, that could equate into a top 10 team. 

[TrueHoosier62]

I don't much care for the product on the court, and at least a fair amount of blame has to be laid at the feet of CDD. Still, there's less than a zero percent chance he's relieved of duties at the end of the season. Perhaps better talent, greater athleticism, and another year of implementing his brand of basketball will allow CDD to turn around the program. But I'm guessing it won't.

 

[Josh]

9 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I think the point Pagoda was making is that Dolson's hands were tied until his Cignetti capital gave him the authority to dump Woody and start over with a Dolson-approved staff.

I understand his point and I disagree.  And I think Dolson would too.

[Hoosier987]

8 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Lamar Wilkerson said it after a game.  He said we believe we are a top 10 team.  I mean, dream big, but saying you can compete and saying you are a top 10 team are 2 different things.  My opinion is this was top down thinking.  I mean why not, you had top 20 funding, that could equate into a top 10 team. 

While I admire Wilkerson, we are nowhere near a top 25 team let alone a top 10 team. We can’t rebound, we can’t create, we are not athletic, we’re small, we have multiple scholarship players that are essentially fillers and provide nothing…. Top 10 programs might have one of these problems, not all of them, like we do.  We’re a seriously flawed team. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

5 minutes ago, TrueHoosier62 said:

I don't much care for the product on the court, and at least a fair amount of blame has to be laid at the feet of CDD. Still, there's less than a zero percent chance he's relieved of duties at the end of the season. Perhaps better talent, greater athleticism, and another year of implementing his brand of basketball will allow CDD to turn around the program. But I'm guessing it won't.

 

Unless he builds some enthusiasm the stands will remain empty until he wins.  I don’t think he will, but building a top 20 roster would help with that.  There was zero juice behind the roster build.  They did some cool things to try to promote this team, but there was never any thought we had a contender.   Winning is ultimately what matters but winning in the off-season has its benefits. Plus, most of the truly top 20 rosters actually end up being good.  Unless Woodson coaches them.  Then they end up 40-70.

Woodys last team could have been so good if they didn’t pick Myles Rice and K9 and actually got a legit 1 and 2.  Man. Woody and his blown chances.   

[spe317]

If you listen to what Carr says in his interview, he said (without saying) that this roster is not “it”. He does call it unbalanced and correctable but you dance with the one who brung ya. 
 

Despite not being world-beaters, I am proud of every member on the roster. We don’t have any head cases. We don’t have headline makers. No one is failing classes or throwing potted plants at walls. They’re all giving effort. That’s important to me. 
 

On the other hand, so is winning. So step one may be done but there’s miles to go. Maybe CDD is a fantastic coach but a poor talent evaluator. I’d take that over the inverse any day.

Also Carr is a big proponent of building through the draft AKA high school. That’s a key to every successful program—all sports including IUFB. 

[Uspshoosier]

15 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Lamar Wilkerson said it after a game.  He said we believe we are a top 10 team.  I mean, dream big, but saying you can compete and saying you are a top 10 team are 2 different things.  My opinion is this was top down thinking.  I mean why not, you had top 20 funding, that could equate into a top 10 team. 

That to me is just a player saying they can compete with anyone in the country.   Hear it all the time.   That to me is like when a top recruit goes to Vanderbilt and says one of the reason he went there was he felt they could win a national title.  

[newcastle12]

9 hours ago, skhoosier2 said:

It was obvious we swung for the fences and missed.  We had to take who would come.  We need an up and coming coach. Someone young and hungry that CAN coach, can make adjustments, and has the charisma to coach at IU.  DeVries will get a few more years.  But so far unimpressed from staff and roster construction to coaching.  His press conferences leave me feeling he is in over his head. I want to be wrong and see him succeed if for nothing else that we don't have to go through Brad watch again in 2 years but I suspect we will all be falling for the Brad talk once again when CDD gets the boot.

Devries was the young and up and coming coaching candidate with the slick modern offense.  His coaching adjustments are fine, so the guy can coach.

So your plan is to do the same thing again for the next hire?  So you go with Schertz next time and hope it's different?  That's your plan?  Because obviously the next plan should be getting a real power conference experienced coach and none of them wanted to come last time.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

14 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

While I admire Wilkerson, we are nowhere near a top 25 team let alone a top 10 team. We can’t rebound, we can’t create, we are not athletic, we’re small, we have multiple scholarship players that are essentially fillers and provide nothing…. Top 10 programs might have one of these problems, not all of them, like we do.  We’re a seriously flawed team. 

Yeah, Wilkerson is a dreamer and it’s why he’s had the success he’s had.  He believes and works and Carries confidence.  Love him.  He’s got his own limitations and what not.  But he said it as the locker room thinks they are (were) a top 10 team.  They probably think differently now.  It’s top down confidence building. Can’t fault it.  
 

except maybe next year we try to actually build a top 10 caliber roster.  
 

Offseasons  are crazy.  Look at Maryland.  They suck. But they probably get a redshirt Pharrell Payne back, Darius Adams, top 10 Baba Oladun, Passmore plus money to spend.  That’s a crappy team that can flip it fairly easily.  Maybe 2 impact guys?  Lots of teams will set up like this.  We’ve got our work cut out for us.  

Edited 20 hours ago by WayneFleekHoosier

[newcastle12]

14 hours ago, str8baller said:

This never works in basketball anyways. It’s not football.  
 

I’m not sure Devries Xs and Os are all that bad anyways. It mostly seems like implementation. He’s not a very good in-game coach. And that to me has always been as much of an art as it is science. Hard to get an assistant to shore that up. 

Why is this narrative about Devries not being a good in game coach all over, does anyone actually watch the games?  There are pretty regular adjustments to the actions depending on how they are getting defended.  They pretty regularly have good action on out of bounds plays.  They get wide open shots a lot.  Not sure how he's supposed to scheme around guys missing shots, and being so athletic they get blocked at the rim every shot when they make the right reads and go to the hole.

I have issues with some of their late game execution against the press a few times this year.  But other than that, the guy can coach if you actually know what you are looking at.  It's pretty refreshing watching a modern skilled offense.  

[WayneFleekHoosier]

8 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

That to me is just a player saying they can compete with anyone in the country.   Hear it all the time.   That to me is like when a top recruit goes to Vanderbilt and says one of the reason he went there was he felt they could win a national title.  

Sure. Maybe, but he was very specific.  And why wouldn’t they think that?  Top 20 resources, at worst?  It was just never close.  Eye test and otherwise has been accurate all along.  DeVries and his assistants missed the mark.  I believe that was internal locker room talk filtering out.  But everyone has a right to their opinion. 

[Uspshoosier]

7 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Yeah, Wilkerson is a dreamer and it’s why he’s had the success he’s had.  He believes and works and Carrie’s confidence.  Love him.

Watch his journey episode and you will love him more 

[str8baller]

13 minutes ago, newcastle12 said:

Because obviously the next plan should be getting a real power conference experienced coach and none of them wanted to come last time.

Devries came from the Big 12 which is a power conference in basketball.

[str8baller]

8 minutes ago, newcastle12 said:

if you actually know what you are looking at. 

Maybe you don’t? I dunno

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

Watch his journey episode and you will love him more 

I did.  And I do.  I genuinely like the team as people and humans. I feel bad for them that our program and coach didn’t get them enough talent to achieve their dreams.  Imo, we let them down.  Make the tournament at minimum.  Give these kids a lifetime memory.   I’m more upset for the kids and their families than I am for me as a fan.  I want to feel good about the program.  Achieving successes is a big part of that.  
 

Maybe we rally and beat MSU and get back on the bubble. Wouldn’t put it past them at all.  Don’t see us winning at OSU though.  Rooting for these kids and Lamar.