Do Not Fire Mike Woodson

[AH1971 1,518]

2 minutes ago, PartyintheVillas said:

Cal left because he wasn't winning and Kentucky fans demanding winning games. The hired Mark Pope who is more proven at the collegiate level than Mike Woodson.

Mark Pope has yet to win a game in the NCAA tournament

[AH1971 1,518]

1 minute ago, PartyintheVillas said:

You can spin the 3 seed as much as you want. You can lob personal insults at me. Still, Indiana finished 3 games behind Purdue in a down big ten and got boat raced by Miami in the second round with an all-American and an nba first rounder.

I'm not spinning anything lol, you're the one who said IU technically finished 3rd when they literally finished T-2nd. 

[PartyintheVillas 36]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

Mark Pope has yet to win a game in the NCAA tournament

Is this your criteria and you are advocating for Archie Miller to get more years than 4 at Indiana?

[PartyintheVillas 36]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

I'm not spinning anything lol, you're the one who said IU technically finished 3rd when they literally finished T-2nd. 

and a tie breaker made them 3rd and they were the 3 seed 

[AH1971 1,518]

3 minutes ago, PartyintheVillas said:

and a tie breaker made them 3rd and they were the 3 seed 

I'm not arguing that Indiana wasn't the 3rd seed in the BTT, they still finished tied for 2nd in the conference in the regular season, not 3rd. That's not how standings work, you're showing your ignorance. 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,626]

Just now, Schreckbagger said:

You want to go into the age thing.....really?

Sports Illustrated:
"The average age of a Division I men's basketball head coach in 2023 is 50.

Then there are the outliers.
Scanning the entirety of Division I, we find: 50 coaches who are currently 60 years of age or older"

"20 who clock in at 65 or above"

"and, finally, a select group of six elder statesmen who have seen their 70th birthdays come and go."

Your argument sounds more like age discrimination.



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So, by your numbers, Mike Woodson is 16 years older than the average D1 head coach, and he’s older than more than 94% of D1 coaches. 

It’s not age discrimination, it’s reality. Mike Woodson’s age (or any coach’s age) is an important factor when considering whether to give said struggling coach time for rebuilding seasons. If your coach is already 66 years old and won’t be coaching in 5 years anyway, why bother going through a rebuild?

[PartyintheVillas 36]

17 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I'm not arguing that Indiana wasn't the 3rd seed in the BTT, they still finished tied for 2nd in the conference in the regular season, not 3rd. That's not how standings work, you're showing your ignorance. 

You're just being a dug in jerk who doesn't want to have to acknowledge Northwestern won the tie, plus continuing to ignore that Indiana finished 3 games behind and never actually was in contention with an all-timer and a first round pick. If you are picking 2023 as your standard for success at Indiana, you and I have different definitions of success for Indiana basketball.

[AH1971 1,518]

7 minutes ago, PartyintheVillas said:

You're just being a dug in jerk who doesn't want to have to acknowledge Northwestern won the tie, plus continuing to ignore that Indiana finished 3 games behind and never actually was in contention with an all-timer and a first round pick. If you are picking 2023 as your standard for success at Indiana, you and I have different definitions of success for Indiana basketball.

I've already acknowledged Northwestern was the 2 seed via tiebreaker in the BTT, however, that doesn't negate the fact that both teams still finished T-2nd in the final regular season standings. Only an ignorant person would continue to argue that Indiana finished in 3rd place. It's like saying two teams that finished 17-1 aren't co-champs because one team was the 1 seed and the other team was the 2 seed. 

I will assure you that IU still recognizes it's 2002 B10 regular season championship despite being the 4th seed in the BTT that year via tiebreaker. 

[Stuhoo 81,468]

All,

The mods are well aware of the content of this and the 'Fire' thread. In my (non-mod) opinion, the posts in both threads at times may be redundant at this point; everyone has had their say many times. Occasionally we have taken a post from one thread and relocated it to the other thread. However...

• It is very much the slow season, especially for basketball.
• The posts in both threads have generally been within board rules.
• So the threads march on! 

As a gentle reminder:

• The mods generally pay attention to the board (except Stromboli, who is likely busy making a delicious sandwich). There is rarely a need to post requests for mods to notice a post.
• MOST IMPORTANTLY -- Anyone and everyone participating in these discussions is ultimately interested in the same thing: the unmitigated success of our beloved Indiana University. It's just that we all have different ways of expressing it and judging what will constitute that unmitigated success. That's what makes these discussions interesting - if we all agreed they'd be far less interesting.
• There should be no 'Hoosier-on-Hoosier' digital violence. A suggestion? If things are getting too spicy between any of y'all, take the time to type "Purdue sucks" into your post and start by agreeing with your sparring partner on that one.

[str8baller 5,400]

On 8/12/2024 at 2:17 PM, Schreckbagger said:

The arguement is that IU is statistically unlikely to hire another home run coach. However, the chances are much greater to hire a worse coach according to IU history. Cooler yet. Hope that helped.

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On 8/12/2024 at 2:26 PM, AH1971 said:

Or...and hear me out....you don't fire a coach every 2-3 seasons and actually let him try and build something. Novel concept I know. 

This is exactly backwards and 100% wrong,  statistically speaking. The quicker you fire coaches the better chance you have to hire a home run coach, statistically speaking anyways. The longer you keep the Davis's , the Crean's, the Archie's , the Woodys around the less opportunity you have to hire the next year coach.  

 

IU has adopted your irrational thinking and been awful for it. I'd argue for a change of philosophy.  

[str8baller 5,400]

5 hours ago, AH1971 said:

The University of Kentucky, the most storied college basketball program in the history of the sport, just ended up with their 5th or 6th candidate after publicly being turned down multiple times because of an irrational fan base who ran off the last coach. If you think Indiana is somehow going to land a cream of the crop coach after running Woodson off in 3 years then there's zero reason to have this discussion. 

The University of Kentucky has hired 3 championship coaches in a row.   

I can't fathom the line of rationale that would lead one to think IU's method of hiring/ firing coaches is superior to UK's over the last 30-40 years.  Respectfully,  the notion is laughable.

[AH1971 1,518]

6 minutes ago, str8baller said:

 

This is exactly backwards and 100% wrong,  statistically speaking. The quicker you fire coaches the better chance you have to hire a home run coach, statistically speaking anyways. The longer you keep the Davis's , the Crean's, the Archie's , the Woodys around the less opportunity you have to hire the next year coach.  

 

IU has adopted your irrational thinking and been awful for it. I'd argue for a change of philosophy.  

So if you don’t win a title by year 3 there’s no hope? Rinse, wash, repeat? Is that what you’re telling me? GTFOH

[str8baller 5,400]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

So if you don’t win a title by year 3 there’s no hope?

Please explain how you arrived at that conclusion from my reply.

[AH1971 1,518]

13 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Please explain how you arrived at that conclusion from my reply.

 

23 minutes ago, str8baller said:

The quicker you fire coaches the better chance you have to hire a home run coach, statistically speaking anyways. The longer you keep the Davis's , the Crean's, the Archie's , the Woodys around the less opportunity you have to hire the next year coach.  

I can give you countless examples of either HoF or future HoF coaches who had similar or lesser resumes after 3-4 seasons than some of those listed above.

[Banksyrules 4,847]

4 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

All,

The mods are well aware of the content of this and the 'Fire' thread. In my (non-mod) opinion, the posts in both threads at times may be redundant at this point; everyone has had their say many times. Occasionally we have taken a post from one thread and relocated it to the other thread. However...

• It is very much the slow season, especially for basketball.
• The posts in both threads have generally been within board rules.
• So the threads march on! 

As a gentle reminder:

• The mods generally pay attention to the board (except Stromboli, who is likely busy making a delicious sandwich). There is rarely a need to post requests for mods to notice a post.
• MOST IMPORTANTLY -- Anyone and everyone participating in these discussions is ultimately interested in the same thing: the unmitigated success of our beloved Indiana University. It's just that we all have different ways of expressing it and judging what will constitute that unmitigated success. That's what makes these discussions interesting - if we all agreed they'd be far less interesting.
• There should be no 'Hoosier-on-Hoosier' digital violence. A suggestion? If things are getting too spicy between any of y'all, take the time to type "Purdue sucks" into your post and start by agreeing with your sparring partner on that one.

The first ever Btownbanners meet up will be fun at least.  

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,542]

I can give you countless examples of either HoF or future HoF coaches who had similar or lesser resumes after 3-4 seasons than some of those listed above.

Woodson age was always going to be a factor. His timetable on results isn’t the same as a 40-50 year old coach.

I hope he kills it for the next 2-3 years and goes out on top. But if he doesn’t have it, the benefit of waiting to find out is greatly lessened.


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[HoosierHoopster 7,142]

5 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

All,

The mods are well aware of the content of this and the 'Fire' thread. In my (non-mod) opinion, the posts in both threads at times may be redundant at this point; everyone has had their say many times. Occasionally we have taken a post from one thread and relocated it to the other thread. However...

• It is very much the slow season, especially for basketball.
• The posts in both threads have generally been within board rules.
• So the threads march on! 

As a gentle reminder:

• The mods generally pay attention to the board (except Stromboli, who is likely busy making a delicious sandwich). There is rarely a need to post requests for mods to notice a post.
• MOST IMPORTANTLY -- Anyone and everyone participating in these discussions is ultimately interested in the same thing: the unmitigated success of our beloved Indiana University. It's just that we all have different ways of expressing it and judging what will constitute that unmitigated success. That's what makes these discussions interesting - if we all agreed they'd be far less interesting.
• There should be no 'Hoosier-on-Hoosier' digital violence. A suggestion? If things are getting too spicy between any of y'all, take the time to type "Purdue sucks" into your post and start by agreeing with your sparring partner on that one.

Should he stay or should he go now

Should he stay or should he go now

if he goes there will be trouble

if he stays it will be double

so come on and let me know

should he stay or should he go

[AH1971 1,518]

21 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Woodson age was always going to be a factor. His timetable on results isn’t the same as a 40-50 year old coach.

I hope he kills it for the next 2-3 years and goes out on top. But if he doesn’t have it, the benefit of waiting to find out is greatly lessened.


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Agree wholeheartedly, but 5-6 years to gauge a coach is entirely different than 3 years. I’d wager substantially his 4th season is better than any of his previous 3 seasons despite being written off by a large portion of  this board. He’s 66 not 96, plenty of time left to leave a big impact on the program even if he’s only here another 3-4 seasons.

[IUFAN1976 3,348]

38 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Agree wholeheartedly, but 5-6 years to gauge a coach is entirely different than 3 years. I’d wager substantially his 4th season is better than any of his previous 3 seasons despite being written off by a large portion of  this board. He’s 66 not 96, plenty of time left to leave a big impact on the program even if he’s only here another 3-4 seasons.

And that is saying the same thing from your point of view in a little different way!   He hasn’t coached well in the pros, he’s just been average at best.  His first 3 years was just average too at IU.  We all have the expectations as being better than his first 3 seasons, because it’s the best IU team money can buy.  Now he better be able to coach them or his seat will be he** hot!  How is that for posting something a little different or it probably could be the same, I’m sure there are some similarities in previous posts, just like yours was!

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23 hours ago, PartyintheVillas said:

Mike Davis, Tom Crean, and Archie Miller were all fired by Indiana for losing too much. Mike Davis and Tom Crean were fired by their next schools as well and Archie is well on his way (21-42 in two seasons.) They are not good coaches and did not grow into being good coaches. 

 

Did Archie all the sudden forget how to coach?  WTF is going on with him?