(2025) QB - Julian Lewis to Colorado (for now)

[Stuhoo 79,786]

5 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

NIL isn't a contract, so no. 

It kinda is in that you only get the NIL if you stay at the school. So if a multi-year money promise is given, it is divided up into the portion for each year. 

True that the school could fail to pay, but that'd be the last time a legit recruit considered them thereafter.

 

[Hurryin' Hoosiers 1,952]

12 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

NIL isn't a contract, so no. 

true but starting next year we can also pay players directly in addition to NIL. 

And the NIL amount could be divided among multiple years even if not a contract.

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 8,922]

1 minute ago, Hurryin' Hoosiers said:

true but starting next year we can also pay players directly in addition to NIL. 

And the NIL amount could be divided among multiple years even if not a contract.

Outside of seeing that we have a BOATLOAD of NIL money.... 

I am not a fan of giving him 2.5 million. If we are swinging a big stick in that regard, yeah do it. 

From what I have seen from Cignetti and staff... they can probably do A LOT with 2.5 million. 

[Hovadipo 55,175]

It's an interesting discussion with Juju, and really nuanced. A lot of positives and negatives to giving this specific kid a ton of cheddar. I think I'm probably fine either way it shakes out. One thing I'm not worried about, though, is the QB room in general with this staff. With or without Lewis, that room is going to be strong. Lewis/TJ/Cherry, TJ/Cherry/Young Guy, Old Guy/TJ/Cherry, or some other combo will most likely get the job done. There are other rooms with much more concerning depth after this season.

[Josh 12,569]

4 hours ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

No shot I'm spending 2.5 million on reclassed QB. Nope. 

Well shoot, we'll have to get the money from somebody else then

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 8,922]

2 minutes ago, Josh said:

Well shoot, we'll have to get the money from somebody else then

Did I say I was paying for it? I must have missed that part. 

[Josh 12,569]

29 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Did I say I was paying for it? I must have missed that part. 

Yes you did.  Your words were:

No shot I'm spending 2.5 million on reclassed QB. Nope. 

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 8,922]

2 minutes ago, Josh said:

Yes you did.  Your words were:

No shot I'm spending 2.5 million on reclassed QB. Nope. 

I had no clue I needed to preface something so basic for you, my apologies. 

[Josh 12,569]

8 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

I had no clue I needed to preface something so basic for you, my apologies. 

Well it's my point.  People are acting like it's their money.  I don't get it

  

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 8,922]

10 minutes ago, Josh said:

Wel it's my point.  People are acting like it's their money.  I don't get it

  

I haven't, but....

If we have some absurd amount of money in our collective... like-- bordering PSU type money, sure pay him. If not, I don't really see why we would. 

If we had a really good QB, proven and we needed 2.5 to keep him... I'm much more inclined. 

I don't value a 17yr old QB that takes up some huge percentage of our collective. 

I would bet we can get 5 damn good football players at 500k a piece.  

[Lebowski 2,447]

I'm afraid to go down this rabbit hole because I'm trying to focus on the present but my curiosity is taking over here.

Serious question, does anybody on here truly know how much players are being compensated?  Or are these values being thrown out of nowhere? I was triggered by the 500k is equal to 100k players being damn good players comment. Like is there a website that shows these numbers? I'm under the assumption coaches keep this info pretty tight lipped because I haven't heard a peep from coaches when they are asked about it. I do here coaches (cough cough, Brian Kelley) being upset because they were out bid by a school like IUFB. But I don't know of any coaches saying, "x player with y amount of experience and z amount of potential at fill in the blank position is valued at 100k."

The NFL is pretty solid at what the market values are and I'm wondering if that's the case for college players. I'm not saying college players are equivalent to NFL player values, I'm just saying the market value of said position is typically worth x amount of dollars when it comes to the NFL. 

 

[AH1971 1,446]

6 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

I'm afraid to go down this rabbit hole because I'm trying to focus on the present but my curiosity is taking over here.

Serious question, does anybody on here truly know how much players are being compensated?  Or are these values being thrown out of nowhere? I was triggered by the 500k is equal to 100k players being damn good players comment. Like is there a website that shows these numbers? I'm under the assumption coaches keep this info pretty tight lipped because I haven't heard a peep from coaches when they are asked about it. I do here coaches (cough cough, Brian Kelley) being upset because they were out bid by a school like IUFB. But I don't know of any coaches saying, "x player with y amount of experience and z amount of potential at fill in the blank position is valued at 100k."

The NFL is pretty solid at what the market values are and I'm wondering if that's the case for college players. I'm not saying college players are equivalent to NFL player values, I'm just saying the market value of said position is typically worth x amount of dollars when it comes to the NFL. 

 

My personal belief is that the majority of these numbers are significantly overinflated and/or paid out in installments over a set amount of years. At least when it comes to what you hear collectives are willing to pay. 

So if JuJu were to really get $2.5 million it's probably contingent on:

a) him enrolling at IU and staying at IU

b) paid out in installments until his eligibility is up

I don't think he's getting a lump sum up front and then expecting a new NIL deal the next year.

Now I certainly believe that some schools promise all this stuff and some players truly believe they are going to get money that's never been contractualized and that's a big reason for the portal growing year by year, but when I hear "X and X is making so much here" I typically take it with a grain of salt and would be surprised if they actually see half of the figure being thrown out.

TAMU had the #1 recruiting class two seasons ago and rumored to have spent $6-8mil alone on the freshman. More than half of that class has transferred out and many of those recruits have claimed they only saw a fraction of what was promised and in some instances no money at all.

[rcbowla 7,035]

7 hours ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

hellllllll no. He's a quitter. 

He also doesn't throw the football very well. Pretty important at that position.

[steubenhoosier 801]

2 hours ago, AH1971 said:

My personal belief is that the majority of these numbers are significantly overinflated and/or paid out in installments over a set amount of years. At least when it comes to what you hear collectives are willing to pay. 

So if JuJu were to really get $2.5 million it's probably contingent on:

a) him enrolling at IU and staying at IU

b) paid out in installments until his eligibility is up

I don't think he's getting a lump sum up front and then expecting a new NIL deal the next year.

Now I certainly believe that some schools promise all this stuff and some players truly believe they are going to get money that's never been contractualized and that's a big reason for the portal growing year by year, but when I hear "X and X is making so much here" I typically take it with a grain of salt and would be surprised if they actually see half of the figure being thrown out.

TAMU had the #1 recruiting class two seasons ago and rumored to have spent $6-8mil alone on the freshman. More than half of that class has transferred out and many of those recruits have claimed they only saw a fraction of what was promised and in some instances no money at all.

That’s why this whole shebang needs to be regulated.

If players are going to be paid to play, they need to sign contracts that obligates them for X number of years.

There needs to be a “salary cap.”

 I get it. Signing a contract removes the ability to enter the portal. Players are gonna have to give a little as the current conditions are skewed way too far in their favor 

[steubenhoosier 801]

Hope he’s in Bloomington next weekend. 
 

Place should be crazy.

I cannot imagine that USC can generate the excitement and electricity that will be in Memorial Stadium next Saturday.

[RaceToTheTop 25,014]

On 10/30/2024 at 9:18 AM, Lebowski said:

Rumors y'all. He's got a target on IUFB for other reasons than money. Although, I'm sure it helps make his decision. It really doesn't matter who wants how much etc. etc. in the grand scheme of things because IUFB has a seat at the big boy table now because of NIL. And the big boys effin hate it. If he comes to B-town he comes to B-town. If he stays with SC he stays with SC. If he ends up in Boulder he ends up in Boulder. Regardless, I have full faith in the coaching staff that they are preparing the current team to play a road game this weekend in Lansing. And I'm 100% positive Lewis is paying attention. 

Yep, rumors.....I was the one that posted that my source (who does have ties to the Indiana football program that I consider useful) said that is what he was told about the $2.5 million tag.  Given some money that has been thrown out to some top recruits by the big boys, it's a number I could believe -- but doesn't mean it's true.  I do think he is shopping himself and not truly 100% committed to USC since he keeps visiting places.

[Stuhoo 79,786]

14 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Yep, rumors.....I was the one that posted that my source (who does have ties to the Indiana football program that I consider useful) said that is what he was told about the $2.5 million tag.  Given some money that has been thrown out to some top recruits by the big boys, it's a number I could believe -- but doesn't mean it's true.  I do think he is shopping himself and not truly 100% committed to USC since he keeps visiting places.

I can’t imagine he’s going to USC. He doesn’t even know who their coach will be next year. They’re now 4-5 after losing to Washington tonight and Lincoln Riley’s job is on life support.

Now Colorado? Yes; that’s potentially very real.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,040]

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59 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

[AZ Hoosier 6,571]

1 hour ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Or not... he's said that before for other games...