Transfer Portal w IU Interest

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3 minutes ago, DoctorP said:

I’ve been assuming it’s Cuh-non

like Tony? lol 

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6 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

How much closer to 35%? I might take that bet! I will cheer for whoever we end up with, but this is shaping up to be a counterintuitive roster, IMO. Obviously improvement is expected and possible, but we thought the same thing for some guys last year. Now Rice & Carlyle might be 'better' and have higher upside than previous options, but it's still makes WAY more sense, IMO to bring in proven shooters rather than hope for large improvement from guys that were below average.

Problem: "We're bad at shooting!" Solution: "Let's bring in more bad shooters and get them to shoot better!".......sorry, my faith is lacking.   

Ok-- fair... so... why did IN ST bring in Ryan Conwell's skill set last year? 

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1 minute ago, btownqb said:

Ok-- fair... so... why did IN ST bring in Ryan Conwell's skill set last year? 

I am not familar enough with their roster to say for sure, but I assume because he filled a perceived need on the team? 

 

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12 minutes ago, eddy4iu said:

I would think Cay-Nun

It's pronounced Carl

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2 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

I am not familar enough with their roster to say for sure, but I assume because he filled a perceived need on the team? 

 

I'm not trying to be facetious... 

Ryan Conwell--- FR season-- .92PPP on Spot up opps-- 50th percentile... shot 30% from 3. 

That's not good and against AAC competition 

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19 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Ok-- fair... so... why did IN ST bring in Ryan Conwell's skill set last year? 

Because Schertz recruited him out of high school when he first got the job and Conwell ended up going to South Florida.  Last year when Conwell entered he was the first kid Schertz called.   Relationships matter.  Schertz wanted him the first go around but ended up getting to coach him the second time around 

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55 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

How much closer to 35%? I might take that bet! I will cheer for whoever we end up with, but this is shaping up to be a counterintuitive roster, IMO. Obviously improvement is expected and possible, but we thought the same thing for some guys last year. Now Rice & Carlyle might be 'better' and have higher upside than previous options, but it's still makes WAY more sense, IMO to bring in proven shooters rather than hope for large improvement from guys that were below average.

Problem: "We're bad at shooting!" Solution: "Let's bring in more bad shooters and get them to shoot better!".......sorry, my faith is lacking.   

You're operating under the impression that Carlyle and Rice are "bad" shooters instead of operating under the idea that both were freshman last year. Not many freshman come in and shoot 40% from 3. Hell not many come in shooting 35% from 3. If you watch any film on either of them, even for a little bit, the mechanics, the release, point, and the overall form looks solid, especially from Rice who was shooting at a more than respectable clip until a late season slump.

Assuming Ballo and Reneau are our two primary interior players next year, I would guess Rice and Carlyle will both average somewhere between 1.5-2 makes per game on 5-6 attempts. To put that into perspective, that's somewhere between 55-70 made 3's per player. I think anyone would welcome that. I think Mgabko is going to be our volume guy however, 2.5-3 makes on 7-8 attempts doesn't seem farfetched. That's going to be a lot of open looks for teams trying stop two guys who are automatic under the rim. 

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1 hour ago, Bowhunter said:

We really need a knockdown shooter 

Conwell>Carlyle 

FWIW, check Conwell's freshman stats v Carlyle's.  While not everyone makes that kind of kind jump from freshman to sophomore year, its worth mentioning that there are some pretty big jumps when a player is talented.  I also doubt that Conwell's jump would have been quite as big if he went to a P5 conference.

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Conwell was heavily recruited by Schertz prior to going south. Him transferring to ISU was more him recruiting himself back there than Schertz talking him into coming after his freshman season. 

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47 minutes ago, Jam said:

Thought it was Kay nun

You're wrong. It's Ken Nunn! 

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2 minutes ago, Trish said:

You're wrong. It's Ken Nunn! 

Huge NIL opportunity for Carlyle. Injured in an accident? Call Kanaan

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For anyone interested. Here's the stats from the IU team this year. The colored numbers are the percent ranking among D1's.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Hardwood83 said:

This is EXACTLY my thought, so it must be right! 

I am not excited about Carlyle, because I think paired with Rice it will be, at absolute best, an average 3p shooting backcourt. Realistically below average. With Trey likely your 6th man, it's shaping up to be a worse shooting team than last year.  

Conwell > Carlyle and pretty unlikely we get both. 

To Be fair I do think they both will improve. Technically they are only sophomores. But still need shooters. 

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@HoosierDave posted this below on HSN.  Apparently, he is a journalist for Arizona. 

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Per the NCAA website, only 3 freshman were in the top 100 in regards to 3 point shooting percentage this past season. Sheppard was #1 at over 52%. The other 2 guys were ranked in the 80’s at around 35%. Neither of them were on P5 teams.

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2 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

someone posted this below on HSN.  Apparently, he is a journalist for Arizona 

Would be an appealing portal class that will smooth over a lot of the fan base. However, I really don't like the fit. 

 

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1 hour ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I absolutely agree we need better 3-point shooting.  But, if we have some guards that can penetrate and get buckets or dish off for easy assists plus a strong offensive rebounder we don't have to be as reliant on the 3-point shot.  And that's in no way saying we don't need to be far better at it but that our offensive arsenal is much improved with significant upgrades in guard play and offensive rebounding.

The other part that can help compensate for lack of 3 point shooting by getting to the rim, is also making free throws. I felt part of IU’s issues were the guards couldn’t finish well at the rim and would miss free throws. Causing empty possessions. Rice is over 80% and Carlyle is over 77% at the FT line. Typically it’s said that good FT shooting translates into better 3 pt fg%. So I’m hopeful both Rice and Carlyle have jumps into the 34-36% 3pt shooting range. Add in an ascending Mgbako and IU will be fine with shooters. 

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12 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

Per the NCAA website, only 3 freshman were in the top 100 in regards to 3 point shooting percentage this past season. Sheppard was #1 at over 52%. The other 2 guys were ranked in the 80’s at around 35%. Neither of them were on P5 teams.

and MM shot 38% in conference play on 5 attempts a game... 

If you take out his first 6 games (there was CLEARLY a learning curve/adjustment period going on there)--- he shot over 36% from 3 on 5 attempts a game. 

MM could also stand to keep himself out of foul trouble, keep himself on the floor consistently and hopefully, he can avg 6+ 3s a game, easy, because I think he is going to shoot 37%+

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Just now, Feathery said:

The other part that can help compensate for lack of 3 point shooting by getting to the rim, is also making free throws. I felt part of IU’s issues were the guards couldn’t finish well at the rim and would miss free throws. Causing empty possessions. Rice is over 80% and Carlyle is over 77% at the FT line. Typically it’s said that good FT shooting translates into better 3 pt fg%. So I’m hopeful both Rice and Carlyle have jumps into the 34-36% 3pt shooting range. Add in an ascending Mgbako and IU will be fine with shooters. 

Rice and KC also get to the line at a good rate. Both shot 4 FTs per game. As a reference-- TG only shot 2.4. 

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28 minutes ago, Trish said:

You're wrong. It's Ken Nunn! 

He does love IU basketball. Or he used to anyway from what I remember from the banners on the sideline ads.