Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[AH1971 1,448]

1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

Oh please.  You have zero idea what I know or don't know.  What I do know is Woodson sucks at the "inside-out" game.  Three seasons prove that beyond any doubt.  

Go look at any "inside-out" teams.  What did they do differently than IU?  

Had guards that could make shots….

[Golfman25 5,137]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

Had guards that could make shots….

WTF.   That is what people have been saying for thousands of posts.  The critique here is the two players in question, based on actual performance, are lower on the shot-making spectrum than others, anticipated "jump" be damned.    

[Golfman25 5,137]

4 minutes ago, Trish said:

I doubt Ballo or Malik would be fine coming off the bench, so I imagine they would start together. Under the Woodson leadership we’ve seen, I imagine Ballo will be the first if not second option. 
 

Once they go to a four guard lineup (Rice/Trey/Tucker/Mack/Big Guy), then you’ll see hopefully a more modern offense I would ideally imagine. 
 

If the guards can get Malik and Ballo the basketball while knocking down the 3, then Woodson may have something next year. TBD. 

If you look at our late run, they moved Ware off the block when Malik was in.  Made all the difference. 

[Demo 19,701]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

He better be playing over 30 min if 1.2 million is what it takes to get him.  Trilly said Ole Miss offered 1 mil and IU upped it to 1.2 

I like Ballo a lot but, I can’t lie, dropping low 7 figures on a kid you’re gonna have to sub O for D in endgame situations sticks in my craw a little bit. 

[Stuhoo 79,929]

Just now, Demo said:

I like Ballo a lot but, I can’t lie, dropping low 7 figures on a kid you’re gonna have to sub O for D in endgame situations sticks in my craw a little bit. 

Payne for $600k instead?

[AH1971 1,448]

7 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

WTF.   That is what people have been saying for thousands of posts.  The critique here is the two players in question, based on actual performance, are lower on the shot-making spectrum than others, anticipated "jump" be damned.    

Rice and Carlyle combined averaged 26 points a game last year as first year players. Woodson hasn’t had a guard duo combine for 20 points in a single season yet. I can’t help you if you don’t understand what adding dynamic shot makers to this roster means.

[iu eyedoc 1,881]

11 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

That is the definition of cherry picking. You looked at a whole season and wiped out his worst performances. Lol

Freshman wall doesn't really explain away his bad 3pt shooting. He shot .228 against P5 opponents, even just  .291 if you remove the 0  for 22.

 

After November against opponents not named Prarie View, Utah Tech, Eastern Washington, Idaho, Rhode Island, Miss St, he shot just.239 the remainder of the year.

Haven't seen him play a lick, so can't make a fair judgement, but those trying to explain away his poor 3pt shooting by freshman wall or except for... are being disingenuous.

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 8,948]

3 minutes ago, Demo said:

I like Ballo a lot but, I can’t lie, dropping low 7 figures on a kid you’re gonna have to sub O for D in endgame situations sticks in my craw a little bit. 

I guess I could maybe see that buuuuut... our in ability to get a Dreb and GO, consistently, was as detrimental as about anytbing offensively last year. 

Rice, Ballo, and Kanaan would rectify that issue QUICK. Off of that, I think MM gets more good shots, if we're functioning how we're suppose to. 

[Demo 19,701]

54 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Just wanted to add a comment on the bag dropping.

Id recommend the fanbase not villainize the bag dropping from Indiana but instead be happy we can win bag drops now. 

its been going on for eternity in college basketball and for the most part those dropping the biggest bags are winning the most games. 

I can pretty much assure you if we stop dropping bags the fanbase will have a lot more to worry about than we already do.

id recommend embracing it and just leaving it out of the equation. It’s been a part of high level recruiting forever and now it just expands into mid level recruiting as well. 

Be happy we can compete in that for now and cross your fingers the staff uses its salary cap wisely. 

You, Sir, have got it. The only difference between now and 40 years ago is that every school’s in the game now and there are market forces in play. There needs to be some regulatory pieces implemented on the unrestrained transfers and I don’t love what’s inevitably gonna happen to mid-majors, but this feels better to me. 

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40 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

You end up like Purdue with a team of guys who can only shoot well and nothing else though. UConn exposed the hell out of them. Rice is a fantastic pick up. You can still think we need more shooting. But getting a building block player, 1st team all conference and freshman of the year... I'll take that talent and bet on him to have good improvement next year 

That’s a good point. I think im being too negative on Rice. You’re right, with only Gallo and a rehabbed Newton, we don’t have any other dynamic ball handlers/defenders. 

[Trish 11,524]

7 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

If you look at our late run, they moved Ware off the block when Malik was in.  Made all the difference. 

It’s incredible what modern basketball (spacing) can provide to a team. I personally don’t like the Ballo / Malik fit on offense. But if Malik can step outside and play a bit out there this season, that’s interesting. 
 

But as I mentioned, Rice instead of Johnson should be an upgrade when you’re rolling with a lineup of Rice/Trey/Mack/Tucker/MR. That’s assuming these guys can hit the 3 consistently and key words - more frequently. 

[Home Jersey 6,898]

42 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Which is why you look for a player to compliment him.  As Cig says, you're looking for multiplication, rather than addition. 

Yup. I'd say they are targeting that player you described in Hickman. If they can land him, we'd really be cooking then.

[Demo 19,701]

10 minutes ago, btownqb said:

I guess I could maybe see that buuuuut... our in ability to get a Dreb and GO, consistently, was as detrimental as about anytbing offensively last year. 

Rice, Ballo, and Kanaan would rectify that issue QUICK. Off of that, I think MM gets more good shots, if we're functioning how we're suppose to. 

Oh, don’t get me wrong, that kid addresses a lot of needs and makes you better and I’m down. But I just know there’ll be some game where there up 1 under 30secs and they can’t get him subbed and all 5 kids on the other team are fouling him simultaneously and I’m going to be sitting chanting 1.2 mil over and over. 

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 8,948]

Just now, Demo said:

Oh, don’t get me wrong, that kid addresses a lot of needs and makes you better and I’m down. But I just know there’ll be some game where there up 1 under 30secs and they can’t get him subbed and all 5 kids on the other team are fouling him simultaneously and I’m going to be sitting chanting 1.2 mil over and over. 

You're right.  That could, maybe even likely happen... 

But being up with 1.5mins to go would be a nice change of pace ;) 

[Hoosierfanyuh 2,154]

I love Conwell as much as anyone. But i think having Carlyle + Hickman > Just Conwell

Pure speculation but Rice and Carlyle are boys and I think KC is one of the reason rice was inclined to come to IU. 
 

Theres no way you get all 4 though 

 

having Hickman and gallo as your guards off the bench (could be KC too ig) would be amazing. 
 

Gotta close on Hickman today. 

[dwtaylor1055 1,523]

Rice, Kanaan, Hickman and Ballo would be a haul. You add everything that IU needs at the moment : rebounding, three point shooting, dynamic ball handlers, toughness and scoring.

[Demo 19,701]

29 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Payne for $600k instead?

Since there are no salary cap implications I’d rather have Ballo, though I imagine a cap in some form or fashion will be tossed around. But I suppose now that programs are establishing a GM role, being able to trade kids is the next logical step. “Hey, I’ll trade you Ballo for Payne and a 90% free throw shooter. We can make the numbers work.” 

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36 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Payne for $600k instead?

Yes Alex

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1 hour ago, JF87 said:

I'm not as optimistic as some of you.  In the game today, I assume all players negotiate dollars and roles. Tucker was a 5-star, one and done player going to the G-league.  Unless money is his only priority, I can't see him coming to a losing team that missed the Tournament without being promised significant minutes or a starting role.  I'm sure that Cupps was told his minutes would be reduced from this year, but I would have to assume he was told 4-5 minutes per half at least.  If not, why would he return?  Leal was a solid contributor defensively during our 5 game win streak.  I have to believe that Leal was offered similar minutes to return as well. 

A player can negotiate roles/minutes all they want. But they need to produce. If Tucker (or anyone) plays well enough to get minutes, fine. But if he doesn’t, he should sit. Now, if Woodson wants to risk his job giving minutes to non-producing players, that’s on him. But I doubt even Woodson is going to play someone just because he was “promised” minutes. 

[HoosierHoopster 6,873]

7 minutes ago, Demo said:

Since there are no salary cap implications I’d rather have Ballo, though I imagine a cap in some form or fashion will be tossed around. But I suppose now that programs are establishing a GM role, being able to trade kids is the next logical step. “Hey, I’ll trade you Ballo for Payne and a 90% free throw shooter. We can make the numbers work.” 

Gotta get a cap in play in the future and regulation applicable across D1. This unregulated wild west will kill mid-majors fast. Sure I’m glad IU has NIL money but man this is bad overall for the college game and needs fixing soon. Cant say I have the answers but hope we see progress in the right direction soon