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7 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

They might both come off the bench but there better be some leadership on this team because you are going to have some guys who have either played a lot of college ball or we're highly recruited sitting a lot of minutes. There is only one basketball and so many minutes to go around. I think we will see a lot of unhappy guys. 

BINGO ... we have a winner

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15 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

There's a theme. Pharrel Payne has not been quite as successful or high profile as Ballo to date, but Payne is also the biggest bad-@$$  on the floor.

I would like to see IU field a team with plenty of guys with that kind of attitude. Trey Galloway is not a super-skilled player, but he has that attitude. Leal too. Cupps and (from what I've read) Newton also have that in them. Ain't no one punking Jakai Newton.

Hell, for all of my scheme and roster construction issues with Woody, I cannot imagine that even Woodson's biggest detractors think he has less than an appropriately prickly attitude. So Woody ought to go get players that reflect that.

What I'd give for Will Sheehey flexing on teams this year.  

[sirhoosierlot 2,818]

Just now, Chris007 said:

Is that what the film tells you

The film tells us that the guards and bench were an issue last year and now that we’re attempting to upgrade the position and have a deeper bench it’s a bad thing? 

[AH1971 1,518]

2 minutes ago, IH8PU said:

IF the guards from Wazzu and Stanford sign up, then Ballo from AZ this weekend ... this has his offense written all over it. I say that because the "pure" shooters as of this morning are all visiting other schools like Tennessee, UNC, Texas etc. I am NOT saying those two guards won't work out but it shows me that Woodson plans to run the same offense he has and sees the shot percentage increase by "we just need to hit shots". I agree with you "the only other way we address shooting is by recruiting over Galloway relegating him to the bench" ....

But IMO Woodson will not do that. The handwriting is on the wall IF Rice and Carlyle commit.

I think you're vastly underestimating Rice and Carlyle's ability. They might not be deadeye 3 point shooters (and that's ok) but they are both three level scorers who can shot create for themselves. I will ASSURE you that teams will not be sagging off Rice and Carlyle they way they did Cupps/XJ/Galloway last year, 3pt % as first year players be damned. Tristen Newton (32%) and Stephon Castle (26%) weren't 3 point shooters and teams didn't sag off either of them. They scored and got to the rim when they wanted. 

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45 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Rice, Ballo, MM, MR, Trey, Tucker, Leal, Cupps, Newton really isn't a bad start to this thing. You'd still have 4 schollies to play with there. 

Not bad but not great.

Cupps and Leal should be end of the bench players. Like 10/11/12 man scenario. Newton, hopefully plays like his HS teammate Castle, but coming off two knee injuries, hard to know how much he adds next year. So I view your hypothetical more like 

Rice, Ballo, MM, MR, Trey, Tucker, Newton(?) in the rotation... I'm not blown away by that at all.

I feel like they need to add another backcourt player (Carlyle or Conwell) AND Hickman for me to feel like we're actually cooking.

[Chris007 44,251]

3 minutes ago, sirhoosierlot said:

The film tells us that the guards and bench were an issue last year and now that we’re attempting to upgrade the position and have a deeper bench it’s a bad thing? 

I said I think those have both been upgraded if we get who I'm told we have gotten. I said I worry about leadership and coaching of the talent. I like Rice a lot. Carlyle we'll see. I'm not a fan of Ballo but I know we're going to add a big

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2 minutes ago, sirhoosierlot said:

The film tells us that the guards and bench were an issue last year and now that we’re attempting to upgrade the position and have a deeper bench it’s a bad thing? 

I think he is talking about the film that shows no matter who is on the floor, no matter how many stars they had in their ranking ... the coaching decisions are somewhat questionable. I bet 90% of this board agrees with you about upgrading the position or having a deeper bench, I do ... but it's the man that moves the pieces that is the problem. "We just need to hit shots" is not recruiting a shooter for next year, which will be a real upgrade since Ballo? will not be putting up the same numbers as Ware did last year. MR had better improve this summer on hitting a 3 without sitting or hesitating and be more mobile from outside. It will be interesting though to see how all the pieces full into this complex puzzle, including the sideline.

[AH1971 1,518]

Come on guys we're all on the same team, let's not do this here. And it's Friday. Should have good news here in the next 24-72 hours I would imagine. 

[Chris007 44,251]

1 minute ago, btownqb said:

Nahh.. you tried to skew adding these dudes as a problem lol... I said "That's mental gymnastics" and then you came at me, multiple times. 

Sorry I watch film? I kinda assumed we all did. If not, how tf should any of us have an opinion on any of this? 

I said you need leadership and coaching when you add a bunch of guys who have all played a lot of minutes already in CBB. You have to have a good culture and I don't think we have that. Then you came at me. I won't respond to you again. 

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I've got a pretty open calendar for the first time in a while, sounds like some visits start up today, and this thread is gettin' sassy at 8:12am my time. Let's get weird.

EDIT: big ol' bucket of water thrown on the sass fire in the next post. Still plenty of opportunity to get weird within board bylaws.

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3 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Come on guys we're all on the same team, let's not do this here. And it's Friday. Should have good news here in the next 24-72 hours I would imagine. 

I haven't been there since December 2011 but for some fantastic Friday humor I am thinking about heading over to RuppRafters and see what all the excitement is about. LOL

[Stuhoo 81,461]

A bunch of posts hidden; both those that had personal attacks and those that responded to and quoted personal attacks.

Here it is: Feel free to attack the substance of any post, but the board's rules forbid personal attacks on posters. 

Don't want to escalate any more than this.

Thanks all.

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and here I wanted to actually work today dangit.  I guess I'll sniff around the website all day hoping Ballo is next

[IUc2016 7,121]

27 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

They might both come off the bench but there better be some leadership on this team because you are going to have some guys who have either played a lot of college ball or we're highly recruited sitting a lot of minutes. There is only one basketball and so many minutes to go around. I think we will see a lot of unhappy guys. 

Trying to not turn this into a woody discussion. But imo the one thing I am confident in Woody is that he can manage egos. The way he handled Ke'el this year was actually impressive. He was so hard on him and it worked. Getting Malik and Mack to return after this year was impressive. Getting Trayce to come back both years, impressive. And I know I know, NIL helps, but you still see top guys leaving big programs who have money. 

Woody can manage talents and egos. The issue is, until it isn't, his system. 

BRING ON RICE, CONWELL, BALLO, AND HICKMAN

[iu-dl 1,470]

Yikes it's a little spicy in here this morning. I heard Brad Stevens was on the market.

[dwtaylor1055 1,525]

If Rice and Carlyle becomes reality, we are getting TWO dynamic guards that can score, setup teammates and get past their defenders.  Now go land a top end 3pt shooter and a big to go along with Tucker and that will be a very good offseason.  

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43 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Between Galloway and Tucker I don't see both coming off the bench.

Well they will be

[Chris007 44,251]

4 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

Trying to not turn this into a woody discussion. But imo the one thing I am confident in Woody is that he can manage egos. The way he handled Ke'el this year was actually impressive. He was so hard on him and it worked. Getting Malik and Mack to return after this year was impressive. Getting Trayce to come back both years, impressive. And I know I know, NIL helps, but you still see top guys leaving big programs who have money. 

Woody can manage talents and egos. The issue is, until it isn't, his system. 

BRING ON RICE, CONWELL, BALLO, AND HICKMAN

I'm sure you are right. 

I think we'll get 2 of those 4 but hopefully 3

[IUc2016 7,121]

3 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Well they will be

which is a GOOD thing

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8 minutes ago, iu-dl said:

Yikes it's a little spicy in here this morning. I heard Brad Stevens was on the market.

DIII transfer from DePauw? Didn't realize he still had eligibility.