POTFB 2/10 8 pm on Fox

[Home Jersey 6,890]

I watched the first 8 minutes of the game at home. When I left to meet a friend at a bar down the road, we were down by about 4 points I think. I got to the bar just before the 4-min 1st half commercial TO and the score was as expected. Honestly, by the second half I was trying to watch any other game. It's been the same story all season. Nothing more to say than that.

The errors of last offseason were so egregious in the way they've ruined this season, it's impossible for me to have confidence in the staff moving forward. It's that simple. Unless he decides to retire, Woody will get another year. Is what it is. Not the worst thing in the world....not great though. No sense in lying to ourselves that everything is sunshine and rainbows under his leadership. It kinda discredits people adamantly defending him so soon after such bad whoopin's IMO. Sure root for him, I definitely am, but I'm not going to act like we somehow turn a corner ever under this leadership. We've likely seen the peak and I am ready to move on. It'll probably be a season longer than I'd like. That's not being reactionary, just someone trusting what I've seen with my own eyes and open-minded enough to change my opinion based on new information. Everyone can have their own view...

Basically 100 pages in the last 24 hours of the same arguments is really something though. Lol

[Golfman25 5,128]

23 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I watched the first 8 minutes of the game at home. When I left to meet a friend at a bar down the road, we were down by about 4 points I think. I got to the bar just before the 4-min 1st half commercial TO and the score was as expected. Honestly, by the second half I was trying to watch any other game. It's been the same story all season. Nothing more to say than that.

The errors of last offseason were so egregious in the way they've ruined this season, it's impossible for me to have confidence in the staff moving forward. It's that simple. Unless he decides to retire, Woody will get another year. Is what it is. Not the worst thing in the world....not great though. No sense in lying to ourselves that everything is sunshine and rainbows under his leadership. It kinda discredits people adamantly defending him so soon after such bad whoopin's IMO. Sure root for him, I definitely am, but I'm not going to act like we somehow turn a corner ever under this leadership. We've likely seen the peak and I am ready to move on. It'll probably be a season longer than I'd like. That's not being reactionary, just someone trusting what I've seen with my own eyes and open-minded enough to change my opinion based on new information. Everyone can have their own view...

Basically 100 pages in the last 24 hours of the same arguments is really something though. Lol

I, more than many here, wanted Woody to succeed in the worst way.  And was willing to support him, give him the benefit of the doubt, etc.  But he's dug himself such a hole due to his ego I'm not sure how he gets out of it.  

[RaceToTheTop 25,255]

Winning 46% of your games as an NBA coach doesn’t make you suck as an NBA coach….particularly given the teams he took over.  Rick Pitino won 47% at the NBA level and Cal won 39% when they were in the NBA.

I 100% am behind looking at what Woodson is or is not doing at IU but the whole ‘he won 46% at the NBA level’ is pretty irrelevant.

[Scotty R 2,127]

6 hours ago, Adillac said:

I keep saying this but it is a crucial point about Purdue. They are a one man team. Thats not hyperbolic at all. If Shrek is in foul trouble or gets injured, Purdue is not a top 25 caliber team. Who is their go to scorers without Edey over a whole 40 min? They immediately turn into a mid B1G team or worse. 
 

The #2 team in the country is entirely reliant on one player. That’s why Purdue doesn’t win in March. Indiana had the bettee talent last year and this year- but our chemistry and culture and coaching wasn’t there. Indiana as I think most of us would agree and outsiders would ageee as well- we are one good coach away from being a dominant program again. Plenty of brand recognition (albeit old now) plenty of NiL, plenty of fan support. 
 

This is Purdue’s absolute zenith- it’s all they can really do- high rankings, with one good player and a system and a very localized fan base and early exits in March since time began. This is all they got. 
 

Indiana can reach a new gear with the right coach and that’s why they dislike us. 

That isn't even close to being true. Smith is on of the top of in the country. I hate Purdue more than anyone but I can be objective about their team.

[AZ Hoosier 6,686]

4 hours ago, JSHoosier said:

Who has said he didn't? He bounced around the NBA as a player for 10 years, longest time with any of 6 teams was 4 years. Then spent most of his coaching career as an assistant; 9 as a HC and won a whopping 46% of his games. After the Knicks fired him after 2014 (and a lower win% all 3 years) no one gave came him another HC shot until IU and he was out of coaching completely for a couple years. He wasn't anything special.

He has certainly reinforced that opinion of his abilities as HC at Indiana... can't close on enough recruits to build a competitive roster, refuses to adapt his game plan and/or philosophy (if, in fact, he has one) during a game, continues to display an arrogance, and continues to talk about "the hump" and "getting back to work"... what have you been doing the past 2.5 years that's remotely successful, Coach?

[Scotty R 2,127]

4 hours ago, Ngw7183 said:

He 100% will. Going to be a lot of old takes exposed in the spring. 

Sure he will, believe that when I see it

[AZ Hoosier 6,686]

4 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

We’re not a “very young” team. That’s just an excuse being peddled by Mike Woodson. Xavier is a 6th year senior. Trey is a senior. Reneau and Ware are sophomores and, easily, our best players. They were top 40 in their classes. One freshman in our starting lineup, and he was the #10 player in his class. 

He brought in a junior Payton Sparks and a 5th year senior Anthony Walker to be rotational players. They’re not any good, but that goes to Woodson’s failures in the transfer portal. 

BING-O. It's all about the spin... and he's not very good at that, either...

[AZ Hoosier 6,686]

1 hour ago, Home Jersey said:

I watched the first 8 minutes of the game at home. When I left to meet a friend at a bar down the road, we were down by about 4 points I think. I got to the bar just before the 4-min 1st half commercial TO and the score was as expected. Honestly, by the second half I was trying to watch any other game. It's been the same story all season. Nothing more to say than that.

The errors of last offseason were so egregious in the way they've ruined this season, it's impossible for me to have confidence in the staff moving forward. It's that simple. Unless he decides to retire, Woody will get another year. Is what it is. Not the worst thing in the world....not great though. No sense in lying to ourselves that everything is sunshine and rainbows under his leadership. It kinda discredits people adamantly defending him so soon after such bad whoopin's IMO. Sure root for him, I definitely am, but I'm not going to act like we somehow turn a corner ever under this leadership. We've likely seen the peak and I am ready to move on. It'll probably be a season longer than I'd like. That's not being reactionary, just someone trusting what I've seen with my own eyes and open-minded enough to change my opinion based on new information. Everyone can have their own view...

Basically 100 pages in the last 24 hours of the same arguments is really something though. Lol

And heaven help us if we win another game in "come back" fashion line the OSU game... there were a lot of folks around here thinking that Woodson had found a way to turn it around. We were a dumpster fire before tOSU, and we're a dumpster fire today... winning a random game or two will not change the fact that we will continue to be a dumpster fire with Woodson as HC.

[Scotty R 2,127]

6 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

And heaven help us if we win another game in "come back" fashion line the OSU game... there were a lot of folks around here thinking that Woodson had found a way to turn it around. We were a dumpster fire before tOSU, and we're a dumpster fire today... winning a random game or two will not change the fact that we will continue to be a dumpster fire with Woodson as HC.

I did not see one person say that, people just said be happy for a couple of hours at least because we won

 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,075]

1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Winning 46% of your games as an NBA coach doesn’t make you suck as an NBA coach….particularly given the teams he took over.  Rick Pitino won 47% at the NBA level and Cal won 39% when they were in the NBA.

I 100% am behind looking at what Woodson is or is not doing at IU but the whole ‘he won 46% at the NBA level’ is pretty irrelevant.

I disagree completely. Does anyone disagree with the take that Pitino and Calipari were bad nba coaches? They probably wouldn’t disagree with it themselves. But they were lifelong college guys who tried the nba. Woodson is the reverse of that.  

Assuming arguendo that winning 46% of his games doesn’t make Woodson a bad nba coach, the fact no nba team offered him a head coaching job after 2014 is pretty strong evidence of what nba teams thought of him. Especially with the way the nba recycles coaches.

If you’re hiring a 63 year old with no college experience to be your head coach, you probably want to find a guy who was successful at the level he coached at. That wasn’t Mike Woodson, and his IU results speak to that. 

[JSHoosier 19,935]

1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Winning 46% of your games as an NBA coach doesn’t make you suck as an NBA coach….particularly given the teams he took over.  Rick Pitino won 47% at the NBA level and Cal won 39% when they were in the NBA.

I 100% am behind looking at what Woodson is or is not doing at IU but the whole ‘he won 46% at the NBA level’ is pretty irrelevant.

Pitino and Calipari weren't good in the NBA. Difference is they had some success at the college ranks before jumping to the NBA so college teams knew what they could do.  Pitino won 64% of his games and had a FF at Providence before the Knicks job, then won 81% and 5 trips to at least the Elite 8 with UK before the Celtics. Calipari won 73% at UMASS with a Sweet 16, Elite 8 and (vacated) Final Four before the Nets.

Woodson was entirely NBA with no college experience. NBA teams didn't give him another HC job after the Knicks then IU hired him because he played here 40 years ago.

[Hovadipo 55,318]

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,659]

28 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

That a pretty cat.

[LamarCheeks 18,374]

Braden Smith, from yesterday's presser ... 

"Honestly, I was really surprised how I got to the rim a couple times just with no defense ... It felt really weird to me, but you just take what they give you." 

 

[IUFAN1976 2,844]

2 hours ago, JSHoosier said:

Pitino and Calipari weren't good in the NBA. Difference is they had some success at the college ranks before jumping to the NBA so college teams knew what they could do.  Pitino won 64% of his games and had a FF at Providence before the Knicks job, then won 81% and 5 trips to at least the Elite 8 with UK before the Celtics. Calipari won 73% at UMASS with a Sweet 16, Elite 8 and (vacated) Final Four before the Nets.

Woodson was entirely NBA with no college experience. NBA teams didn't give him another HC job after the Knicks then IU hired him because he played here 40 years ago.

That’s why he needed guy like Matt’s and Fife on his staff to help his transition and that is part of his problem, along with his unwilling to change.   Thats why these really good teams have beaten us by double digits because he will get out coached and without his willingness to change and try new and different things during the game and game preparation 

[AZ Hoosier 6,686]

56 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

That’s why he needed guy like Matt’s and Fife on his staff to help his transition and that is part of his problem, along with his unwilling to change.   Thats why these really good teams have beaten us by double digits because he will get out coached and without his willingness to change and try new and different things during the game and game preparation 

Yep... this is ultimately the problem. Woodson thinks he's the smartest man in the room, despite the fact that he's never been here before, and has (had) no clue what would be required of him to succeed. His arrogance has been showing from day one... and finding a way to get rid of Matta and Fife and keep himself surrounded by his "as mediocre as he is" NBA buddies... including the ever sleeping Armond Hill... and he deserves every bit of grief that he's getting... we need to turn the pressure up and keep it up on Woodson, Dolson, Whitten and Buckner.

We just might be able to get all of THEM over the hump.

[Scotty R 2,127]

10 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Yep... this is ultimately the problem. Woodson thinks he's the smartest man in the room, despite the fact that he's never been here before, and has (had) no clue what would be required of him to succeed. His arrogance has been showing from day one... and finding a way to get rid of Matta and Fife and keep himself surrounded by his "as mediocre as he is" NBA buddies... including the ever sleeping Armond Hill... and he deserves every bit of grief that he's getting... we need to turn the pressure up and keep it up on Woodson, Dolson, Whitten and Buckner.

We just might be able to get all of THEM over the hump.

How did he get rid of Matta. He took a HC job at Butler 

[IUFAN1976 2,844]

16 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Yep... this is ultimately the problem. Woodson thinks he's the smartest man in the room, despite the fact that he's never been here before, and has (had) no clue what would be required of him to succeed. His arrogance has been showing from day one... and finding a way to get rid of Matta and Fife and keep himself surrounded by his "as mediocre as he is" NBA buddies... including the ever sleeping Armond Hill... and he deserves every bit of grief that he's getting... we need to turn the pressure up and keep it up on Woodson, Dolson, Whitten and Buckner.

We just might be able to get all of THEM over the hump.

Hopefully Dolson lays it out to Woodson but will he receive it!  I still think Woodson will be back next year but hopefully things will change, including his staff and roster construction.  We’ll see!

Go 49ers!

[AZ Hoosier 6,686]

1 hour ago, Scotty R said:

How did he get rid of Matta. He took a HC job at Butler 

"Getting rid of Matta" was an educated guess on my part... mainly because Woodson did not have the authority/power to dismiss him. But Woodson did choose to kick Fife to the curb... and given his continued arrogance and resistance to the helps that Dolson set up for him, it's not a major leap to see Woodson stonewalling any help that Matta tried to offer... Matta was put in place by Dolson as a help and guard rail for a has-been mediocre coach who had never done the college gig before... 

Matta got an opportunity to run his own program (vs babysitting Woodson) and took it.

[Golfman25 5,128]

26 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

"Getting rid of Matta" was an educated guess on my part... mainly because he did not have the authority/power to dismiss him. But he did choose to kick Fife to the curb... and given his continued arrogance and resistance to the helps that Dolson set up for him, it's not a major leap to see Woodson stonewalling any help that Matta tried to offer... Matta was put in place by Dolson as a help and guard rail for a has-been mediocre coach who had never done the college gig before... 

Matta got an opportunity to run his own program (vs babysitting Woodson) and took it.

I believe it was reported here that Matta was basically a potted plant.