They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[RoncalliHoosier]

2 hours ago, JSHoosier said:

Well that'd be real mature.

Have you honestly seen anything resembling "maturity" out of this guy (aside from physical age) since he came back as our designated savior?

[Hornsby]

Doubt this is "free market economy" in the case of Leal. He might start on a mid-major team. No way anything approaching $150K for him has anything to do with the market. Just free money, being paid for his loyalty to Mediocre Mike.

That whole senior day was a total setup. Woodson darn well knew they were coming back they had already told Leal he was getting a 300% raise. Leal isn't staying without that raise imo.

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[Chris007]

18 minutes ago, jumpshot53 said:

Is anyone going to enroll their young ones in Mgbako and Ware's basketball camp in April in Bloomington? 

Fire/retire Woody.  Keeping on subject.

I would check on it first, I've heard it's been sold out for a while now. They's had signs up at Assembly Hall for it all season

[RoncalliHoosier]

2 hours ago, Hoosier DaDa said:

So with tuition even the 13th scholarship player earns over 100K...oops we didn't use our last scholarship because you know "We Good" 

Maybe Woodson wanted that last $100K for cigars and wine.

[IUrocker]

Just now, iubhounds2 said:

I just saw the add, sent to me by a friend. So could they really have a camp in April and then file for NBA draft/info ??? I guess they could.

JHS did 

[reconmkd]

12 minutes ago, jumpshot53 said:

I know what you mean.  Sports, music, camps are expensive.  It would be a thrill to see Ware in person for most little kids.  How often will they ever see anyone that tall?

Fire/retire Woody

H3ll I want to meet Ware, lol!

[RoncalliHoosier]

2 hours ago, IUCrazy2 said:

It is when you are the ones somewhat involved in filling the pockets.

If I know Company A charges a premium for a poor product so that they can overpay their staff, that will eventually send me to another company....

Part of the talk for pro teams every year comes down to salary.  Semi-pro athletes in college are going to have to get used to fans pocket watching them like any other professional player would.  If they feel you are overpaid for your results, it is going to be a topic of discussion.

Agree. And I'd suggest that if they know player A is getting $500K, they expect player A to put out $500K-worth of effort. The fans know when players are going through the motions and when they are leaving it all on the floor, and knowing what a player is making (or at least having a good idea of the pay range) will dictate how harshly a player is judged by the fans.

[jumpshot53]

8 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I would check on it first, I've heard it's been sold out for a while now. They's had signs up at Assembly Hall for it all season

I only saw it today.  I was hoping it was something new because Mgbako was coming back.  Oh well,  I hope the kids enjoy it.

Fire/retire Woody

[hoosierhoo]

https://x.com/hoosiersconnect/status/1770072983656357925?s=61&t=zhQkeoeyPUyIgZFDw6eHZQ

 

I suspect it’s just the mindset I’m in right now, but the last line really rubbed me the wrong way. “Hoosier Nation always has your back” has a certain “True Fans” ring to it.

I legitimately believe this fan base is going to be permanently fractured if nothing happens before next season. Who knows, maybe that’s a good thing, because I am definitely DONE being told how to be a good fan while we wait for our participation ribbons.

 

[RoncalliHoosier]

2 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

They are supposed to be "endorsement' deals, Independent of the university.  It really is a slush fund given to the coach to hand out to players he deems worthy.  It will all come crashing down in a few years.    

It needs to come crashing down quickly. The courts have clipped the NCAA's wings with NIL thanks to the Virginia and Tennessee suits, and it appears that the NCAA has backed away and made it an actual free-for-all, anything goes situation. If college athletics isn't already destroyed beyond fixing, it will be shortly.

[mjeze106]

34 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I had bowling with Andre Owens who played at IU. Great class. 

I took History of Video Games with Ben Allen and Cem Dinc. Also a great class

[RoncalliHoosier]

2 hours ago, btownqb said:

That would be the exact type thing that started this whole s*** show, listening to players and allowing them to hold us hostage. 

It got us six years of Mike Davis.

[68Hoosier]

1 minute ago, RoncalliHoosier said:

It got us six years of Mike Davis.

This ^^^^

[RoncalliHoosier]

2 hours ago, JF87 said:

The previous posts about "bridging the gap" piqued my interest in what Dolson said at the introductory press conference for Woodson.  Three items stuck out to me. 

1. Dolson and staff created a vision document for IU basketball's future prior to hiring Mike Woodson.  I would love to see that document.  I doubt that we are anywhere close to that vision today. 
2. Dolson commented that NBA people said that Woodson was an X's and O's guy.  Dolson discussed Woodson using a 1 in, 4 out offense.  In hindsight, I think some people blew smoke up Dolson's a$$.  
3. Dolson mentioned that when Woodson was coach of the Knicks that he had a partnership with Knick's executive Glen Grunwald that Woodson used to bounce ideas off of. Dolson was not going to have the time to dedicate to Woodson, so this is why Matta was hired.  I assume this is also why Randy Wittman was hired as a consultant. My guess is the GM role to lessen Woodson's workload is coming to IU soon. 

The GM role will fail epically. One of two types of people will be hired for that job:

1. A Woodson guy. This would be a Wittman, Zeke, Kitchel, Grunwald type who would tell Woodson exactly what he wants to hear

2. A true GM type. This is the person that Woodson will completely ignore from day one.

[Chris007]

4 minutes ago, hoosierhoo said:

https://x.com/hoosiersconnect/status/1770072983656357925?s=61&t=zhQkeoeyPUyIgZFDw6eHZQ

 

I suspect it’s just the mindset I’m in right now, but the last line really rubbed me the wrong way. “Hoosier Nation always has your back” has a certain “True Fans” ring to it.

I legitimately believe this fan base is going to be permanently fractured if nothing happens before next season. Who knows, maybe that’s a good thing, because I am definitely DONE being told how to be a good fan while we wait for our participation ribbons.

 

I noticed almost every player so far has tweeted that out and said Grateful.

It's like they got a text saying it was being sent out and you better acknowledge it. Bend down and kiss the ring

[68Hoosier]

2 minutes ago, RoncalliHoosier said:

It got us six years of Mike Davis.

Need to do what is best for the program long term and not knee-jerk reactions for individuals.

 

[Chris007]

3 minutes ago, mjeze106 said:

I took History of Video Games with Ben Allen and Cem Dinc. Also a great class

Love that. Wonder if that is still a class. Might try to get my son to take that. 

[Hoosier DaDa]

54 minutes ago, Josh said:

You guys are making me feel like a grade A moron for not taking History of Rock & Roll instead.  My buddies took it, but I wanted to actually learn something useful so I took Bass Fishing Techniques.  I felt very proud of my decision to better myself.

So I went to the class with my head held high the first day and the teacher never showed.  Second class same thing.  Third class the AI was there.  She asked "why are you guys taking this class?"  We answered about wanting to be better at fishing, improving our minds, etc.  She said "bullshyte.  You're taking it because it's an easy A.  Let me tell you why I'm teaching it.  I'm teaching it because I have lowest seniority in this department.  So don't give me problems, and I'll give you A's"

For the final exam, she gave us all articles that she snipped out of magazines and told us to write one page papers on them.

So I learned nothing.  I've repressed my regrets until today.  Now the trauma has resurfaced.

Thanks jerks.

I thought Bass Fishing Techniques class was for developing your best lying story on "I caught a fish this big..."

[Golfman25]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

The value is up to those millionaires. If they don’t think they’re getting value the $$ will dry up.

Apparently that is not currently the case.

Nah.  For those guys it’s just a **** measuring contest.  

[Stuhoo]

22 minutes ago, RoncalliHoosier said:

Doubt this is "free market economy" in the case of Leal. He might start on a mid-major team. No way anything approaching $150K for him has anything to do with the market. Just free money, being paid for his loyalty to Mediocre Mike.

Free market value is not purely based on operational performance. Not in business and not in this instance with Anthony Leal. He is a great locker room and practice guy, an academic role model, a local kid, and he's someone who knows and can help reinforce the system.

His value is exponentially more at IU than at other programs.

He is like the thirty year accountant at the firm that always shows up on time, mentors the new hires, always reinforces positive work culture, and has tons of local industry connections that really value him. When that happens that accountant doesn't need to be god's gift to financial spreadsheets.