They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

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I’ve watched probably half of drakes games. Ben’s a good coach. He’d have to change his offense though to win a title at this level. But he’s a smart guy as evidenced by all his wins so hopefully he would do that

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We should just stay focused on Stevens :-)

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2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

It’s not just that. Archie was far far FAR more experienced at this level. He was a P5 player, a P5 assistant coach, and a deep run NCAA tournament head coach.

Until this season McCollum had quite literally never had any association with a D1 program; not as a player, a grad assistant, or as an assistant coach.

True, and the second paragraph will carry a varying amount of weight for everyone. Totally get that being a drawback for some. I just value time and success as a HC very highly and he has that in spades. It’s not that I view assistant coach experience as a drawback in any way but I like the mold of a guy who has spent majority of his time as a HC whether it’s D2, HS, or low major. I have minimal concerns about the jump to P5 based on Drakes success this year against major programs. That said I don’t think he should necessarily be a top 3-5 candidate this cycle. But I would not be upset in the slightest to have him here for the next 20 years. 

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2 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

He did that publicly instead of just actually DMing… 

He was on a flight and it was easier to just reply to a post. 

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19 minutes ago, lillurk said:

I am not as familiar with McCollum as many here but I believe the case for him is basically that he’s won a remarkable number of championships below D1.

I was a mild Archie skeptic because 1) Dayton is a high-floor program and Arch didn’t stand WAY out overall, 2) going to the elite 8 is great but one nice tournament run is a thin track record without other factors, 3) Arch had been a lesser coach than his brother (admittedly with less time to do it) and was partially riding his reputation plus, to a lesser degree, other coaches he was connected to, and 4) no record of being truly consistently excellent either overall or on one side of the ball from an efficiency standpoint; if I recall he never had a top 25 O or D at Dayton on Kenpom.

A guy like that can work out! But a lot of somewhat flimsy stuff was carrying water for him and it turned out it was, indeed, flimsy.

#2 describes Dusty . That’s why there is a fair amount of skepticism about him being the best candidate 

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2 minutes ago, lillurk said:

And I will say until I’m blue in the face: EVERYBODY at IU gets dudes. That has never been the problem. NIL makes that even easier in some ways, I would guess. 

True; but the biggest challenge for McCollum would not be on court coaching, or recruiting; it would be managing and being the face of a massive, high profile operation. He has zero experience with that. And a year at Drake with many of his carried-in players is very different.

 

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1 minute ago, steubenhoosier said:

#2 describes Dusty . That’s why there is a fair amount of skepticism about him being the best candidate 

Dusty’s advanced numbers are so much better than Archie’s ever were. If you consistently put out teams with top 20 defense and offense you’ll win one eventually. Archie never had anything close to that

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I think with Steve s, you get a quick influx of highly touted freshmen and transfers who want to play for the NBA GM that still has massive ties around the entire league and a personal relationship with Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown.

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23 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Well for one he’s now succeeded at multiple places.  And NW Missouri St is not Dayton.  Pretty sure they are crap again this year.  Everyone wins at Dayton.  And he doesn’t have Archie’s personality quirks.  You all know what I mean.

Everyone doesn't win at Dayton.  They've made 12 NCAA tournaments in the last 45 seasons.  Under Miller they made four straight tournaments from 2014-2017.  In the seven years since, they've made one.

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21 minutes ago, lillurk said:

I am not as familiar with McCollum as many here but I believe the case for him is basically that he’s won a remarkable number of championships below D1.

I was a mild Archie skeptic because 1) Dayton is a high-floor program and Arch didn’t stand WAY out overall, 2) going to the elite 8 is great but one nice tournament run is a thin track record without other factors, 3) Arch had been a lesser coach than his brother (admittedly with less time to do it) and was partially riding his reputation plus, to a lesser degree, other coaches he was connected to, and 4) no record of being truly consistently excellent either overall or on one side of the ball from an efficiency standpoint; if I recall he never had a top 25 O or D at Dayton on Kenpom.

A guy like that can work out! But a lot of somewhat flimsy stuff was carrying water for him and it turned out it was, indeed, flimsy.

Archie took Dayton to 4 straight tournaments as an at-large. Dayton undoubtedly is a solid program with history but nobody else there has come close to doing that. Anthony Grant is in year 8 after replacing Archie and has made the tournament one time (would have been 2 had COVID not cancelled) and are probably on the outside looking in this year.

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20 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Comparing McCollum to Archie is criminal. Everyone wins at Dayton 

Silly.

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24 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I can’t answer that. I think we would have to miss on several guys to get to him.

I do wonder if Brad falls through if Dolson doesn’t make a hard push for Drew.  Would seem to be the obvious #2.  Goodman is tight with him and seems to think he’d be interested.  I get that he seems to love Waco but he’s a Butler grad and has deep ties to Indiana.  Lived in the state for over 25 years I think.  He seems to have peaked at Baylor as well and maybe wants a new challenge.  I can’t imagine that their NIL is much.

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48 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Didn’t hurt Pitino or Cal.

Good point!  

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26 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I can’t answer that. I think we would have to miss on several guys to get to him.

I thinks we can all feel better that this time around, the quality and list of candidates are much better than that have been for a quite some time…. Would you agree Chris?

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3 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

I do wonder if Brad falls through if Dolson doesn’t make a hard push for Drew.  Would seem to be the obvious #2.  Goodman is tight with him and seems to think he’d be interested.  I get that he seems to love Waco but he’s a Butler grad and has deep ties to Indiana.  Lived in the state for over 25 years I think.  He seems to have peaked at Baylor as well and maybe wants a new challenge.  I can’t imagine that their NIL is much.

I would say I’ve heard his name and a few like him.

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9 minutes ago, Unexpectedflash said:

Dusty’s advanced numbers are so much better than Archie’s ever were. If you consistently put out teams with top 20 defense and offense you’ll win one eventually. Archie never had anything close to that

Currently 36 in defensive efficiency and 43 in offensive efficiency. As the competition has increased, the numbers aren’t as strong 

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2 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

I thinks we can all feel better that this time around, the quality and list of candidates are much better than that have been for a quite some time…. Would you agree Chris?

I would agree. 

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On 2/3/2024 at 2:43 PM, southernindianahoosier2 said:

I feel bad for Leal. He has talent. His last 2 coaches were Archie and Woodson. So sad. 
 

Beard turns us into a national contender in 12 months if we can handle the extra risk 

Please Dusty may I’m praying you have a good tourney in March 

Beard will never be the coach of IU.  Never.  People need to stop.  

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17 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

It is kind of crazy to me that Steve Alford was never the choice in the last 25 years

With different timing he would have been. Looking at his time at ucla he wouldn’t have been worse than Crean. He also wouldn’t have been good enough to win big consistently.