They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[AH1971]

22 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Nonsense. Historically inaccurate  that only can exist on the back of semantics.   
 

Just because I like to be entertained I would love to hear you and scottR and AH explain to me how Sampsons resignation was a “firing” but  Davis’ wasn’t and was a true “resignation.”  
 

Oh I remember now…Davis wanted to let his adoring fans at IU down easy as he climbed the coaching ranks to take on the All Time Great Blazers of UAB!!!  Thanks for the early notice, Mike! 
 

Whatever happened to that Davis character? The way he left here successfully, clearly using the IU job as a stepping stone, he’s gotta be coaching the Lakers by now. Maybe even the Olympic team! 

 

Sampson was given the option to resign in exchange that he wouldn't later sue the university and Davis was given the option to resign cordially or be fired at the end of the season...the same option that likely exists for Woodson. 

Knight and Sampson were fired/forced to resign due extenuating circumstances while Davis, Crean, and Archie were allowed to coach until the end of the season. Not sure why you'd think it'd be any different for Woodson unless extenuating circumstances permit otherwise.... which obviously don't exist. Losing a bunch of games isn't a for-cause termination like violating a zero tolerance policy or committing several level 1 NCAA violations.

Pretty straightforward. 

[AH1971]

7 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

No. TKRs FR year he RS. He was ranked 44th in his class... 

Sorry my opinion is "let's do what's best for the kid"

Bryson should be kept and developed. There's a lot there to work with. 

Should be at the new coach's discretion and his discretion only. 

Sounds like Tucker and his crew already have one foot out of the door anyway. 

[CSP]

1 minute ago, RaceToTheTop said:

You can't just 'keep' a player in today's day where they can freely transfer.

Your opinion of 'let's do what's best for the kid' doesn't mean the kid or the parent agrees with that.  And the truth is that I do not think what is best for Bryson Tucker is for him to redshirt, particularly if his plans are not to play college basketball for four years.  If we wanted what was best for the kid, then I would have told him to go somewhere else where he could have received actual coaching.  What exactly would a redshirt have done for him this year when he would have been learning under the same non-coaching?

Sure you can. Cignetti is doing it. 

You're asking me to explain Woodson and staffs stupidity? Nahh. Not interested in that. 

Tucker should have been RS, weight training, etc etc... continued development on his lead guard skills, PG/scorer on the scout team, run offense through him in practice.. that's where you start with Tucker. 

Smart parents are always fine with the correct plan for their kid. 

[CSP]

3 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Should be at the new coach's discretion and his discretion only. 

Sounds like Tucker and his crew already have one foot out of the door anyway. 

What did you tell me here that I didn't already know? Thank you, Captain Obvious. 

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, Home Jersey said:

She is not ending speculation of that at all.

She is antagonizing people frustrated by bad basketball through her dripping condescension about processes and stakeholders, lol. 

The people on this board would be in a tizzy and want him removed mid-season regardless of what any posters here write. We have multiple blow out losses under Woodson every year. People didn't even want him to get a 4th year, of course they're going to want him gone before it's over. Coming here to say that's not going to happen isn't a revelation, it's just a reminder to not care too much about IUBB, because they're currently not a serious organization. 

Yeah, Kathy is likely a big sweaty dude meticulously typing as if they are someone they aren't knowing something they don't.  Might as well be ChatGTP.

[RaceToTheTop]

1 minute ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Sure you can. Cignetti is doing it. 

You're asking me to explain Woodson and staffs stupidity? Nahh. Not interested in that. 

Tucker should have been RS, weight training, etc etc... continued development on his lead guard skills, PG/scorer on the scout team, run offense through him in practice.. that's where you start with Tucker. 

Smart parents are always fine with the correct plan for their kid. 

Are you seriously comparing the redshirting of a football player to a basketball player (a burger boy to boot)?

Dude, it's the norm for football player's to redshirt.

There was a 0% chance that Bryson Tucker was going to go somewhere to redshirt.  The fact that his parents are complaining about playing time makes that obvious.

[iu eyedoc]

52 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Most coaches talked a mid court before tip off but didn't shake hands after the game. Believe what you want but I witnessed those games.

Well, Goode must not have participated in those same games you have witnessed and so astutely mentally noted the lack of a hand shake line on the occasion that such an accused breach of etiquette becomes a topic of debate.

[AH1971]

4 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

What did you tell me here that I didn't already know? Thank you, Captain Obvious. 

You are welcome sir

Tucker will be in the portal within 48 hours of the season effing by the way.

[Home Jersey]

1 minute ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Tucker should have been RS, weight training, etc etc... continued development on his lead guard skills, PG/scorer on the scout team, run offense through him in practice.. that's where you start with Tucker. 

Smart parents are always fine with the correct plan for their kid. 

I can only imagine how that in home recruiting visit with a 5 star previously committed to go to the G League would go. Wonder how quickly they’d usher a coach out of the house after suggesting a redshirt in 2024/2025 lol. Smart parents are always fine with the correct plan for their kid… sure… good luck convincing the parents of high profile 5 star talent kids that redshirting is part of their correct plan. Most parents don’t have a clue what the correct plan is, see Mgbako family. The correct plan for Tucker includes an entirely different offensive system and a lot of development on outside shooting among other things. He can stay or go, don’t really care one way or another as long as it means a new coach. 

[coonhounds]

Might be a good idea. Keep the trolls from complaining.

No. Then they trolls win and that can never happen!

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[Home Jersey]

Just now, AH1971 said:

You are welcome sir

Tucker will be in the portal within 48 hours of the season effing by the way.

Are you basing that off what you read on the internet from “insiders” or you have first hand knowledge of this yourself? :) 

[CSP]

Just now, RaceToTheTop said:

Are you seriously comparing the redshirting of a football player to a basketball player (a burger boy to boot)?

Dude, it's the norm for football player's to redshirt.

There was a 0% chance that Bryson Tucker was going to go somewhere to redshirt.  The fact that his parents are complaining about playing time makes that obvious.

Idgaf what his accolades are, they could not be more irrelevant lol... watch him play, he should have RS. All I got for ya. 

Just now, AH1971 said:

You are welcome sir

Tucker will be in the portal within 48 hours of the season effing by the way.

I dont really care, but is that what you're rooting for? 

[CSP]

Just now, Home Jersey said:

Are you basing that off what you read on the internet from “insiders” or you have first hand knowledge of this yourself? :) 

Zinggggggg

[Banksyrules]

When I worked at the UNC athletic department a long time ago, there was always talk of every possible scenario. It is and should be a fluid business. If you’re not fluid  then chances are you don’t trust the people around you or just not doing a good enough job.  I don’t doubt @Chris007heard something it doesn’t mean decisions don’t get shifted or are not discussed.  The way @KathywithaC discusses the process either shows people are incompetent in that department or she’s a troll. Either way thanks for raising the posting numbers so that this thread becomes stuff of legends. 
 

[str8baller]

7 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Sampson was given the option to resign in exchange that he wouldn't later sue the university and Davis was given the option to resign cordially or be fired at the end of the season...the same option that likely exists for Woodson. 

Knight and Sampson were fired/forced to resign due extenuating circumstances while Davis, Crean, and Archie were allowed to coach until the end of the season. Not sure why you'd think it'd be any different for Woodson unless extenuating circumstances permit otherwise.... which obviously don't exist. Losing a bunch of games isn't a for-cause termination like violating a zero tolerance policy or committing several level 1 NCAA violations.

Pretty straightforward. 

Lol…instead of untangling that convoluted mess, let’s just point out that you’re at odds with your fellow poster Cathy.  
 

But we can all agree on one thing: i was right about 3/5 basketball coaches since Knight being terminated/resigned/fired before the end of the season. This is exceedingly straightforward which is why I find it hard to believe anyone not trolling can’t grasp it. 

 

There’s no IU process or precedent of IU having a deliberate end of season pow wow to fire coaches. Woody will be fired whenever the reactionary chuckleheads in the IU admin feel like it, which is historically long after everyone else knows it’s time to go. We’re in that territory now. Could be tomorrow. Could be April or anywhere in between.

[WeeDerkaNaut]

5 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Well, Goode must not have participated in those same games you have witnessed and so astutely mentally noted the lack of a hand shake line on the occasion that such an accused breach of etiquette becomes a topic of debate.

[iu eyedoc]

5 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

You are welcome sir

Tucker will be in the portal within 48 hours of the season effing by the way.

the season effing started about the time of the Nebraska blowout loss so what is he waiting for?

[Hoosier DaDa]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

But you don't mind how she talks to everyone else like were children and don't understand the process. Don't mind that THE PROCESS hasn't worked in many years. 

He might not be fired till March 11 which is 6 weeks from today. But I believe the process has started. Him being fired is the middle of the process to me.

But I'm going to save this to see if anything happens before 6 weeks from today

THE PROCESS... is stupid ;(

[coonhounds]

Here is my non insider prediction. The top decision makers have probably had several talks on what to do. I am guessing they thought firing a guy who still has a chance to turn the season around would be bad. They probably hate the situation they are in and are just trying to ride this out as long as they can. I bet if purdue and wisconsin are blowout losses they may move on. If the games are close they will stick with woodson. I still think a fire retire scenario is most likely before we play our last conference game

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[CSP]

2 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

the season effing started about the time of the Nebraska blowout loss so what is he waiting for?

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