They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Chris007 62,616]

Just now, SamIam said:

Didn't you say he had no chance? Have you heard something that changed your mind?

I did say that. I think he has a chance, he's down the list but saying no chance is dumb on my part. He would have to be vetted and OK'd by Whitten but there is a way to get there. Hopefully, it doesn't come to that but I'm not saying there is no chance. 

[CSP 12,226]

Just now, HoosierX said:

I find the old "these people are the same people" argument to be funny, as it is almost always pure speculation.

I don't think there is much debate on whether he put hands on his girlfriend. It's not a rush to judgment, it happened, according to her own words and physical evidence. The fact that his girlfriend subsequently dropped the charges doesn't change that.

I'm not saying we can't hire him, but let's not stick our head in the sand while we do it.

yeah yeah... I'm good with that. There are levels to all this, though, right? 

[IU Prof 2,391]

Just now, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Did she punch him first? Not convinced, at all, he's innocent....

Some of you are acting like you were there though

Who cares? You don't inflict that level of injury on a woman under any circumstances.

And again, if he had any claim to innocence, why didn't he contest a firing that cost him $25 million?

[Napleshoosier 10,962]

14 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think Beard is in play, but he is not ahead of Stevens or May. I think there are a couple of other people ahead of him, also. I think tomorrow will be interesting for many different reasons. I have no inside information about tomorrow just seems like a lot is going on. Hopefully for everyone involved this nightmare is over soon. 

I have no issue with Beard. Hell of a coach.  He’s an easy #3 with me.

[HoosierX 1,798]

Just now, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

yeah yeah... I'm good with that. There are levels to all this, though, right? 

Absolutely, and I don't know enough about it to get into the intricacies of those levels. I just don't think there is a magic pill we can take and pretend like nothing happened.

[CSP 12,226]

Just now, IU Prof said:

Who cares? You don't inflict that level of injury on a woman under any circumstances.

And again, if he had any claim to innocence, why didn't he contest a firing that cost him $25 million?

Sooo... you don't know if she punched him first? 

[str8baller 7,757]

Just now, RaceToTheTop said:

Beard went to a title game....that's not small-time.  

By that token, Brad Stevens is small-time because Butler isn't a major program.....except he made it one.

Criticism of whether Stevens can handle the big time is valid although it is considerably muted by the fact he’s coached and now led the front office of the Celtics.  
 

Beards already proven he can’t handle the pressure of a bigger job. Just like Gillespie and Sampson. Small time.

[Home Jersey 16,719]

Just now, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Sooo... you don't know if she punched him first? 

Master class in logic man. Whew…

[RaceToTheTop 31,546]

3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I did say that. I think he has a chance, he's down the list but saying no chance is dumb on my part. He would have to be vetted and OK'd by Whitten but there is a way to get there. Hopefully, it doesn't come to that but I'm not saying there is no chance. 

The fact that he is so interested in the job probably gets him on the list.  But as you said, it still doesn't put him high on the list, just on the list.

[Chris007 62,616]

2 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

Who cares? You don't inflict that level of injury on a woman under any circumstances.

And again, if he had any claim to innocence, why didn't he contest a firing that cost him $25 million?

First off all of this is way over my head but I saw on another board that maybe he negotiated a settlement with Texas behind closed doors. Is that possible? I don't know

[JF87 2,149]

9 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

I.mean I feel like the people who have beard locked up in prison and guilty as sin also had the Duke lacrosse guys guilty as sin on day one. The holier than they attitude of some is unreal. And rush to judgment no matter what.

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KathywithaC said this is a very complicated case. You know, a lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta what-have-you's. And, uh, lotta strands to keep in my head.

[CSP 12,226]

1 minute ago, HoosierX said:

Absolutely, and I don't know enough about it to get into the intricacies of those levels. I just don't think there is a magic pill we can take and pretend like nothing happened.

No, not at all. Something definitely major went down that night.... 

It's also humanly possible that two HUMANS made mistakes that evening. 

[IU Prof 2,391]

2 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

The type of issue matters here whether they want to acknowledge it or not. If he had been charged with and subsequently acquitted of DUI, or honestly, even convicted, I probably wouldn’t care. 
 

Im not rehashing my stance, yes the guy can flat out coach, and there’s a reason he’s at a notoriously scummy win at all costs school within a conference that in general has a win at all costs mentality. 
 

IU shouldn’t be a win at all costs school, no matter how much I dislike Mike Woodson and bad basketball. 

This 100X. I'm not unwilling to overlook a variety of past mistakes, especially if the coach has owned up to it and changed his ways. But domestic violence is a different matter, especially for a guy who has (unless I've missed it) displayed no remorse. This is a campus with a student population that is ~50% female. You can't make someone with a background like this the most visible public face of your institution.

[SamIam 733]

3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I did say that. I think he has a chance, he's down the list but saying no chance is dumb on my part. He would have to be vetted and OK'd by Whitten but there is a way to get there. Hopefully, it doesn't come to that but I'm not saying there is no chance. 

I mean there is no doubt he wants it and that he would succeed. I trust Dolson and Whitten to do their homework but hopefully that is after the godfather offer for BS and a strong press for May

[OKHOOSIER 5,894]

1 minute ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Sooo... you don't know if she punched him first? 

It shouldn’t matter. 

[IU Prof 2,391]

1 minute ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Sooo... you don't know if she punched him first? 

No. I just don't care.

[CSP 12,226]

Just now, Home Jersey said:

Master class in logic man. Whew…

Just answer the question or don't respond. 

[RaceToTheTop 31,546]

Just now, str8baller said:

Beards already proven he can’t handle the pressure of a bigger job. Just like Gillespie and Sampson. Small time.

Knight berated people and physically laid his hands on a player(s) and assaulted a cop in Puerto Rico.  Was that because of the 'pressure of a bigger job'?

[CSP 12,226]

Just now, IU Prof said:

No. I just don't care.

Got it. Well I do. Thank you

[Hornsby 3,870]

Sooo... you don't know if she punched him first? 

The holier than thou crew knows all. I'm sure they are pure as the driven snow and have never ever ever made any mitakes in life. No dwi's. Nothing at all.

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