They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[IUFAN1976]

4 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

The cynic in me sees Woodson screwing over his replacement with offering a team full of "not ranked guys"... kind of a big middle finger to "the school he loves" on his way out.

He is sure showing how much he really loves IU, he’s ripping them off for over $10 million dollars because he’s to lazy to do the work.  

[Hornsby]

The cynic in me sees Woodson screwing over his replacement with offering a team full of "not ranked guys"... kind of a big middle finger to "the school he loves" on his way out.

I would not put is past him.

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[deserthoosier]

52 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

The cynic in me sees Woodson screwing over his replacement with offering a team full of "not ranked guys"... kind of a big middle finger to "the school he loves" on his way out.

That would be too much work for him.

[Papacap]

53 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

The cynic in me sees Woodson screwing over his replacement with offering a team full of "not ranked guys"... kind of a big middle finger to "the school he loves" on his way out.

A new coach would still do better than him. So there’s that.

[WeeDerkaNaut]

@Hornsby @Pagoda Thank you for the replies. So am I understanding correctly that if the school gets more revenue, players would get a higher share? But I assume as well it's probably not near as much as NIL money with the cap on it. Correct or am I misunderstanding?

[IUHAHN81]

Even if Woodson pulls something out of his rear this year, one decent/good year doesn't constitute keeping a coach that hasn't proven he's good enough to extend. Maybe I'm an a$$ but I don't care how many they win this year, he's not good enough. 

[Golfman25]

5 hours ago, go iu bb said:

One of you Negative Nancy's please explain how a lane duck trustee is going to get Dolson fired if Dolson fires Woodson. For Domain to do that he'd likely have at least Whiten on his side. I just don't see it happening so I need details from one of you how Buckner will pull that off. You're giving him waaaay too much credit. 

Hell, if it really got ugly Dolson could just back off until the summer and then fire Woodson as a f-you to Buckner on July 1. There's nothing Buckner could do to stop that and everyone knows it.

It could also "leak" that the university wants to fire Woodson but Buckner is blocking it and all the dirt that entails. Destroy his legacy.

I doubt Woodson has as much booster support after this disappointing season is over.

Don’t forget it’s all premised on making the Tournament.  That can be considered a “success” even though some had higher expectations.   With most programs, that is a good year.   This “success” makes administrators wishy washy and less likely to make drastic change.   Thus, Dolson doesn’t have as much support for a firing as he would if we aren’t close to the tournament.   It would be a bold move to fire a coach who makes the tournament, especially if you don’t have a sure thing lined up.   All I’m saying is if we make the tournament, don’t be shocked if Woodson is back. 

[IUHoosierJoe]

6 minutes ago, WeeDerkaNaut said:

@Hornsby @Pagoda Thank you for the replies. So am I understanding correctly that if the school gets more revenue, players would get a higher share? But I assume as well it's probably not near as much as NIL money with the cap on it. Correct or am I misunderstanding?

I’m not sure if this is what you’re asking, but the cap is a dollar cap, not a percentage of revenue cap.  It is projected to be $20 million first year, but will certainly go up in future years.

[go iu bb]

9 minutes ago, WeeDerkaNaut said:

@Hornsby @Pagoda Thank you for the replies. So am I understanding correctly that if the school gets more revenue, players would get a higher share? But I assume as well it's probably not near as much as NIL money with the cap on it. Correct or am I misunderstanding?

Rev share cap is $20.5M. So no.

[Oggyiu]

10 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

Having a press pass means diddly squat in terms of knowing what you’re talking about especially when it comes to bracketology 

Joe Lunardi is considered a bracketologist.

’Nuff said.

[Hornsby]

Don’t forget it’s all premised on making the Tournament.  That can be considered a “success” even though some had higher expectations.   With most programs, that is a good year.   This “success” makes administrators wishy washy and less likely to make drastic change.   Thus, Dolson doesn’t have as much support for a firing as he would if we aren’t close to the tournament.   It would be a bold move to fire a coach who makes the tournament, especially if you don’t have a sure thing lined up.   All I’m saying is if we make the tournament, don’t be shocked if Woodson is back. 

It's still sad given this team was picked to finish 2nd and he had the highest nil in the big ten just barely making the tourney could save him. But that's the way iu rolls.

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[Golfman25]

36 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

It's still sad given this team was picked to finish 2nd and he had the highest nil in the big ten just barely making the tourney could save him. But that's the way iu rolls.

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Yes there are dozens of reasons he should be let go regardless of results.  Wins are the result of sound processes — recruiting, player development, game planning, coaching, etc.   Woodson is severely deficient in all of those aspects of a program, which is why his results are less than they would otherwise project to be.   But it will take balls to move if the rest of the administration is good with mediocrity.  

[Hornsby]

Yes there are dozens of reasons he should be let go regardless of results.  Wins are the result of sound processes — recruiting, player development, game planning, coaching, etc.   Woodson is severely deficient in all of those aspects of a program, which is why his results are less than they would otherwise project to be.   But it will take balls to move if the rest of the administration is good with mediocrity.  

I think quinn certainly wanted to be able to say Woodson rescued the program from the dead and brought it back. The reality is archie stunk but it wasn't dead Woodson started out with tjd and a decent roster. It's all bs. Crean is the only one who ever actually rebuilt it from the dead. He just could not sustain it. Woodson really hasn't done much of anything and without nil oh boy. Crean made two sweet sixeteens but never competed. In reality we have not made a tourney run since 2002. So unless Woodson can do that he didn't bring us back period.

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[IUFAN1976]

8 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

I think quinn certainly wanted to be able to say Woodson rescued the program from the dead and brought it back. The reality is archie stunk but it wasn't dead Woodson started out with tjd and a decent roster. It's all bs. Crean is the only one who ever actually rebuilt it from the dead. He just could not sustain it. Woodson really hasn't done much of anything and without nil oh boy. Crean made two sweet sixeteens but never competed. In reality we have not made a tourney run since 2002. So unless Woodson can do that he didn't bring us back period.

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If the administration is ok with mediocrity, they would be ok with saying Woodson brought back from the dead with 3 of 4 NCAA tournament births and then they could move on from that and let him ride off into the sunset.  But then again QBall could argue the other side of it to keep.  It’s a razor thin line but we aren’t making the tournament 

[Hornsby]

If the administration is ok with mediocrity, they would be ok with saying Woodson brought back from the dead with 3 of 4 NCAA tournament births and then they could move on from that and let him ride off into the sunset.  But then again QBall could argue the other side of it to keep.  It’s a razor thin line but we aren’t making the tournament 

Still blows my mind we have made it past the sweet 16 once since 1992. That is total incompetence from the administration at a school like iu.

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[AZ Hoosier]

1 hour ago, IUHAHN81 said:

Even if Woodson pulls something out of his rear this year, one decent/good year doesn't constitute keeping a coach that hasn't proven he's good enough to extend. Maybe I'm an a$$ but I don't care how many they win this year, he's not good enough. 

You're not an @$$ (or IF you are, you have a lot of us to keep you company :D )

But with Woodson, Buckner, Ferguson and the pockets (Cooks and Simons), logic does not appear to enter the equation... Apparently, the Parasite is still living a charmed life.

[Hornsby]

I’d like to thank the Ferguson family, Steve and his whole family because he’s been a major mentor in my life; the Cook family, Bill who is no longer with us, known him for many, many years, and he was one of my early mentors, he and Gale Cook and Carl, just a beautiful family.

He has big backers. Ferguson won't turn on woodson.



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[WeeDerkaNaut]

@IUHoosierJoe @go iu bb Ahh ok that does answer my question thank you.

[Hornsby]

What blows my mind is watching old games and seeing how sweet the offense moved Woodson never learned a thing from knight. I get the game has changed but now but plenty of programs still have plenty of flow and off the ball stuff.

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[Hoosierfanyuh]

If we lose today woodsons first sentence will be about Malik being out, even if it’s fairly obvious that isn’t that case