They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Hoosier DaDa]

1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

Nothing like bringing up posts fro a few days ago to complain. 
 

But to answer your question, 6.  

Oh come on who you trying to lie to us or yourself?  Everyone know it's more than 6 LOL. 

[Hoosier DaDa]

1 hour ago, AZ Hoosier said:

With $6M in NIL and 6 available positions, getting guys here isn't the issue. The issue is what Woodson does with them between tee-times.

I'd say the Cooks and Simons are de better recruiters than Woodson.

It's all about the s

[Hornsby]

It's all about the s

I was told it all had to do with a recruiting genius and somebody "cooking".

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[IUFAN1976]

9 hours ago, IUCrazy2 said:

ESPN just upgrade their way too early rankings and have us at 16.  Anybody saying the bar should be any lower than 23 wins is really underselling what should happen with this roster.  In those discussions my question is going to be, "Why only 23?  Is it because Mike Woodson is expected to hold us back?"  There are no injuries or anything yet, anybody coming in under 23 and competing for a BIG title is doing so because they subconsciously believe this staff is an anchor.

I think many of us are skeptical on Woodson’s coaching abilities!  The pressure will be on for him to coach his most complete roster.  We’ll see!

[bigrod]

11 hours ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I think many of us are skeptical on Woodson’s coaching abilities!  The pressure will be on for him to coach his most complete roster.  We’ll see!

Yep. I didn't want to put this in the expectation thread, because I've seen others get scolded for being honest in other threads, but my expectation is that we will underachieve yet again. I sincerely hope the coaching staff proves me wrong, but unless something changes, that is my expectation.

[Stuhoo]

16 minutes ago, bigrod said:

Yep. I didn't want to put this in the expectation thread, because I've seen others get scolded for being honest in other threads, but my expectation is that we will underachieve yet again. I sincerely hope the coaching staff proves me wrong, but unless something changes, that is my expectation.

Whether we underachieve is completely dependent on expectations.

I've seen 'expectations for a satisfied fan' on this board ranging from "safely make the tourney" to "better than Purdue's 17-3 conference record last year." It makes sense; different people with honestly-held opinions will have different standards.

 

[Hornsby]

Yep. I didn't want to put this in the expectation thread, because I've seen others get scolded for being honest in other threads, but my expectation is that we will underachieve yet again. I sincerely hope the coaching staff proves me wrong, but unless something changes, that is my expectation.

Most likely what will happen but the expectation still needs to be a sweet sixeteen for this roster. There is no well its mike woodson so the expectation should be lowered. Either win with this group or its time to move on.


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[Golfman25]

2 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Most likely what will happen but the expectation still needs to be a sweet sixeteen for this roster. There is no well its mike woodson so the expectation should be lowered. Either win with this group or its time to move on.


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I suppose you have to compartmentalize expectations -- with and without Woodson?  In my mind, Woodson has nothing do to with expectations.  He either gets it done or doesn't.  He has all the pieces in place for a really good team -- Big10 Champs, Sweet 16/Elite 8, etc.  If he can't do it, then yes time to move on (as this is the Fire Mike Woodson thread).  

[Hornsby]

I suppose you have to compartmentalize expectations -- with and without Woodson?  In my mind, Woodson has nothing do to with expectations.  He either gets it done or doesn't.  He has all the pieces in place for a really good team -- Big10 Champs, Sweet 16/Elite 8, etc.  If he can't do it, then yes time to move on (as this is the Fire Mike Woodson thread).  

Exactly and there should be zero excuses if he cannot do what you mentioned.  I doubt they would move on but a good program would.

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[Juwan Moye]

The expectation set by Woodson himself was to compete and win B1G and national championships. But then he wants to tell us he’s “done his job” for a 19-win season and misses the tournament, bizarre stuff really.

So if we hold him to his expectation then we as fans should at least see that we’re clearly progressing towards the goals of a B1G title then a national title. We moved backwards last year, on top of other gaffes, thus the calls for him to be fired.

But given the investment, both in coaches and players (were easily over $10m/yr), the absolutely floor for this team should be to consistently be in or around the top-25 with a 7-seed or better in the tournament.

Even though I’m not a Woodson fan, I wouldn’t just fire him for a first round exit unless we get embarrassed again. But if he can’t secure at least a 7-seed in the tourney then he should have to win the BTT or make the sweet 16 to keep his job.

[Hoosier DaDa]

1 hour ago, Juwan Moye said:

The expectation set by Woodson himself was to compete and win B1G and national championships. But then he wants to tell us he’s “done his job” for a 19-win season and misses the tournament, bizarre stuff really.

So if we hold him to his expectation then we as fans should at least see that we’re clearly progressing towards the goals of a B1G title then a national title. We moved backwards last year, on top of other gaffes, thus the calls for him to be fired.

But given the investment, both in coaches and players (were easily over $10m/yr), the absolutely floor for this team should be to consistently be in or around the top-25 with a 7-seed or better in the tournament.

Even though I’m not a Woodson fan, I wouldn’t just fire him for a first round exit unless we get embarrassed again. But if he can’t secure at least a 7-seed in the tourney then he should have to win the BTT or make the sweet 16 to keep his job.

Spending 10 million on a team I think we should expect to be consistently in the top 15 and making 2nd weekends a norm in the tourney anything less in my mind is a failure. 

[Juwan Moye]

57 minutes ago, Hoosier DaDa said:

Spending 10 million on a team I think we should expect to be consistently in the top 15 and making 2nd weekends a norm in the tourney anything less in my mind is a failure. 

I don’t disagree, but I’m attempting to suggest a floor. Which in my mind, if that floor isn’t met, that should be a fireable offense.

My worry is that we squeak in as a bubble team, win a game, and keep our coach around because “we improved” or some garbage. I WANT us to do well, but we can’t accept mediocrity with the level of investment IMO if we ever want to be considered an elite program again. 

[JSHoosier]

15 minutes ago, Juwan Moye said:

I don’t disagree, but I’m attempting to suggest a floor. Which in my mind, if that floor isn’t met, that should be a fireable offense.

My worry is that we squeak in as a bubble team, win a game, and keep our coach around because “we improved” or some garbage. I WANT us to do well, but we can’t accept mediocrity with the level of investment IMO if we ever want to be considered an elite program again. 

I fully expect them to look for every excuse to bring him back unless he burns down an orphanage on Christmas Eve.

[Hoosier DaDa]

2 hours ago, Juwan Moye said:

I don’t disagree, but I’m attempting to suggest a floor. Which in my mind, if that floor isn’t met, that should be a fireable offense.

My worry is that we squeak in as a bubble team, win a game, and keep our coach around because “we improved” or some garbage. I WANT us to do well, but we can’t accept mediocrity with the level of investment IMO if we ever want to be considered an elite program again. 

My floor is what I stated if not he should be fired.  I think your floor is too low.

[IUFAN1976]

The floor, IMO is no less than 3rd in the B10, semi-finals in the B10 tournament, no lower than a 4 seed in the dance and sweet 16 appearance at the minimum 

[Juwan Moye]

Would be curious to know what the sunshine pumpers think.

”we won the offseason!

”cool, so if we don’t make the sweet 16 we fire our coach, right?”

”whoa whoa, let’s be reasonable here”

[Home Jersey]

1 minute ago, Juwan Moye said:

Would be curious to know what the sunshine pumpers think.

”we won the offseason!

”cool, so if we don’t make the sweet 16 we fire our coach, right?”

”whoa whoa, let’s be reasonable here”

I don't think the roster is taken care of until we at least have one back up 4/5... not that I consider myself a pumper. 

My stance is unchanged on "winning the offseason" ... nice to see talented players on the roster! That's important.

Won't get excited until I see it on the court and we observe that learnings from other previous mistakes are retained and applied.

[Stuhoo]

6 minutes ago, Juwan Moye said:

Would be curious to know what the sunshine pumpers think.

”we won the offseason!

”cool, so if we don’t make the sweet 16 we fire our coach, right?”

”whoa whoa, let’s be reasonable here”

Mike Woodson’s major, horrible problem last season was roster construction. And that’s on him.

For this coming year we have a helluva good roster.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Mike Woodson’s major, horrible problem last season was roster construction. And that’s on him.

For this coming year we have a helluva good roster.

It was so much more than roster construction if we are being honest. But roster construction certainly sets limitations.  Staff fumbled the ball every way they could last season then managed to have a final record that looked better than anything we saw on the court all season.  Here’s to hoping he’s learned more lessons than just talent evaluations and roster construction.  
 

We’ve still got a lot to prove but if I was a coach this is the type of roster I would want to try to prove it with.  Backup 5 still a legit consideration. 

[Juwan Moye]

Feels like a shot at Woodson in this:

 

"It felt like a perfect fit," McNeeley said. "Coach Hurley is a hard-nosed coach. That's the kind of coach I thrive under. The offensive system they run is perfect for my game. The culture of the team. The sets they run. They are going to help me get better on both sides of the ball. The whole coaching staff are good people."