Soon to RETIRE Coach Woodson Thread

[Artie86 2,464]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

He’s the answer to the losing problem. He’d 100% do very well here. The only question is whether the baggage/bad PR is worth winning again. I’m sick and tired of IU being such a sorry *** program, so it would be for me. 

I imagine if someone like Beard ended up at IU, his baggage would be magnified in the press and somehow tied to IU hiring/firing Kelvin Sampson after his (impermissable phone calls violations), which seem harmless now.

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Sitting at work secretly hoping for a Cashy pop in to push us over 2k today. I suspect we get close either way, but if we get a procedural update on current groundswell conditions within the leadership apparatus it’s all but guaranteed. 

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44 minutes ago, IvanRenkosillegitimatechil said:

Haha I ran out of characters so couldn’t add the d lol

That's what she said

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39 minutes ago, SlammySammy said:

Taking bets on how many pages we get to before there is official word on Woody being terminated....

I am going to say we hit 2600 before word comes in....

That will all depend on   or AH1971 because when they post rapid fire happens to the page count.

 

Edit: Did a MOD change my post?  

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15 minutes ago, JF87 said:

My fond memories of Mike Woodson the player are gone.  They have now been overshadowed by Mike Woodson the unqualified coach that used his connections to get the IU coaching job.  Woodson has turned this IU alum and lifelong IU fan indifferent about IU basketball until he's gone and someone new can provide hope. I still care that's why I'm here.  But right now, the only interest I have in this team is getting a new coach and culture. 

I'm too young to remember him as a player so that's never been there for me. Appreciate his contributions to our past history but his coaching history is a dark cloud on his and IU basketball's legacy. Regardless, well said!!!!!!!! I'll follow but refuse to watch and get upset as long as he is the coach. Only interest is if Dolson can get a winner!

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44 minutes ago, IvanRenkosillegitimatechild said:

Haha I ran out of characters so couldn’t add the d lol

Fixed.

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1 minute ago, Artie86 said:

I imagine if someone like Beard ended up at IU, his baggage would be magnified in the press and somehow tied to IU hiring/firing Kelvin Sampson after his (impermissable phone calls violations), which seem harmless now.

They were honestly harmless back then too, we for some reason felt the need to flog ourselves over it. Should've just backed him and taken the slap on the wrist, and gotten back to winning in a year.

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10 minutes ago, SlammySammy said:

1. Stevens
2. Beard
3. McCollum
4. May

Based on coaching ability only....leaving out drunken wife-beatings...

Interesting.

• Three of those four have led a team to an NCAA Final Four
• Two of those have led a mid-major to an NCAA Final Four
• Three of those four have completed a season as a D1 coach
• Three of those four have coached in a P5 conference
• Three of those four have direct recruiting ties in the State of Indiana
• Three of those coaches have, at some point in their career, been the coach of a ranked D1 team
•  

The outlier for every single one of those criteria is McCollum. Before this year at Drake, his resume far more resembled Greg Tonagel than any other serious candidate. After this year, his resume will still probably be far closer to Tonagel's than to Dusty May's.

Finally, FWIW, McCollum has coached a total of three D1 games against NET top 100 teams and zero games against ranked teams in his career.

 

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Is Chris doing actual work today?  I need a vibe check of the office this morning. 

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25 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

The Beard discussion has happened many times on this board, including in this thread, so there's no reason to rehash that.

Well I'm not the one who rehashed it sooooooo

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Every day that goes by as an IU fan without it being announced MW will retire at the end of the season

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We need a "Chris Beard Debate" thread...lol

[12345Brad 237]

6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Interesting.

• Three of those four have led a team to an NCAA Final Four
• Two of those have led a mid-major to an NCAA Final Four
• Three of those four have completed a season as a D1 coach
• Three of those four have coached in a P5 conference
• Three of those four have direct recruiting ties in the State of Indiana

The outlier for every single one of those criteria is McCollum. Before this year at Drake, his resume far more resembled Greg Tonagel than any other serious candidate. After this year, his resume will still probably be far closer to Tonagel's than to Dusty May's.

 

McCollum seems too risky for this hire right now for IU. He may end up being the next Bo Ryan, but seems risky.   Could have a high ceiling, but I’d put someone like Chris Collins over him personally. 

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48 minutes ago, IndianaSconnie90 said:

Really, like Bob Knight errrrr how does this work? Chris Beard would most likely work very well here. Not sure if you're saying he isn't the answer because of his ability or his baggage. I can understand the latter albeit begrudgingly 

Definitely the baggage. The egregious issue of roughing up a woman notwithstanding, if he's already struggling with alcohol issues, sticking him in the fishbowl that Bloomington and IU basketball is will create an untenable situation, IMO.

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3 minutes ago, SlammySammy said:

We need a "Chris Beard Debate" thread...lol

Anybody who wants to argue that badly should just find someone who is as much a lunatic as they are and take it to the DMs lol

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3 minutes ago, SlammySammy said:

We need a "Chris Beard Debate" thread...lol

There is the public stuff known about him. But others say there are even more reasons to stay away.    
 

 

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Just now, 12345Brad said:

There is the public stuff known about him. But others say there are even more reasons to stay away.    
 

 

I call BS on that. Were that true, the "even more reasons" would already be out there as he would be vetted by any other major university. Don't give a rip what "others say". Others say Woodson is the best thing since sliced bread too. Anybody truly believe all of that?

[12345Brad 237]

Just now, piratehoosier said:

I call BS on that. Were that true, the "even more reasons" would already be out there as he would be vetted by any other major university. Don't give a rip what "others say". Others say Woodson is the best thing since sliced bread too. Anybody truly believe all of that?

BS as in Brad Stevens?!! lol 

Louisville and UK passed on him too, so who knows. 

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Just now, 12345Brad said:

BS as in Brad Stevens?!! lol 

Louisville and UK passed on him too, so who knows. 

Stevens won't be here. Everybody needs to get over that name. 

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19 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

I imagine if someone like Beard ended up at IU, his baggage would be magnified in the press and somehow tied to IU hiring/firing Kelvin Sampson after his (impermissable phone calls violations), which seem harmless now.

I can see the comparison now... "you fired a coach for making phone calls and hired an alcoholic woman beater"?

Who's worried about optics now?