Soon to RETIRE Coach Woodson Thread

[dwtaylor1055 1,591]

21 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Here's the problem. The Celtics are for sale. Anytime a new owner comes in there's a chance they will want their own front office people. The other thing is the Celtics have a very expensive roster that doesn't have much wiggle room. They are over the second apron with restricts what kind of moves they can make with their roster. Next year they are losing key pieces and some pieces are getting older. They will have an even more expensive roster next year with very little flexibility. There's a good chance they are headed towards having to trade some dudes and rebuild in the very near future. If that isn't done right Boston will be up in arms. 

all of those points are valid - but during the warriors run with klay, steph, KD, Green and others, they made decisions on the fly and they did just fine with little cap flexibility at the highest available apron but kept pieces moving.  i don't see why boston couldn't replicate it over the next 3 or 4 years.  Now, of course a new owner throws a curveball so i suppose stevens could elect to take the safer route of the two now that he's won at the highest level of basketball in the NBA.  

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.....nothing wrong with not wanting to settle! Reach for the TOP, exhaust all options and then slowly work back down....

I would throw pitino is that as well. Iu would never touch him and he is killing it this season.

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[Golfman25 5,987]

You guys still speculating on Brad Stevens?  I told you, he's going to be the interim after Woodson gets fired in about 2 weeks. :)  

[str8baller 5,933]

19 minutes ago, HoosierHuddle said:

A name that I don't believe will be considered but he has been mentioned on other boards, mostly in passing. Probably not related to the IU search but Jeff Rabjohns has pointed him out specifically on a few occasions...again, probably just because his team plays good basketball. Randy Bennett at St. Mary's. The time for him to make a move was probably a few years ago but the Gaels are always fun to watch and if I am not mistaken, they have won 15 straight road games and are now 19-3. It doesn't seem to matter what resources he has or what roster he has, St. Mary's keeps winning and gets to the tournament. Now, exempting the blowout of King Woody, they have not had much success in the Big Dance but they usually have a large athletic disadvantage no matter who they get matched up with in the second round. Anyway, he has an interesting resume and if IU misses on Brad Stevens and Dusty May...number three on the list would be a mystery.

I don’t think he’s ever lived east of the Rockies. Agree he is a good coach tho

16 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Has Stevens ever had to handle a full blown rebuild as a front office executive? Not saying he couldn't do it but he walked into a nice situation. 

Technically as coach, right? But he stepped in and their young guys were competitive right away. NBA fell in love with him as much as the college world pretty quickly. 

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1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

You guys still speculating on Brad Stevens?  I told you, he's going to be the interim after Woodson gets fired in about 2 weeks. :)  

But what if we start to do good?  We will be forced to hire him for good!

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4 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

all of those points are valid - but during the warriors run with klay, steph, KD, Green and others, they made decisions on the fly and they did just fine with little cap flexibility at the highest available apron but kept pieces moving.  i don't see why boston couldn't replicate it over the next 3 or 4 years.  Now, of course a new owner throws a curveball so i suppose stevens could elect to take the safer route of the two now that he's won at the highest level of basketball in the NBA.  

Did't that GM for the Warriors have to step down because they didn't want to pay him anymore? I think he works for ESPN. Good time to get out.

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11 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

We have limit ourselves because we don't dare touch guys like pearl or beard. We are to darn holy for them.

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IU isn't to holy for Pearl. Dolson wanted to pull the trigger. Beard there's just no way that one would happen. 

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3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Did't that GM for the Warriors have to step down because they didn't want to pay him anymore? I think he works for ESPN. Good time to get out.

yeah, after Bob built and added key players to those teams that won 4 NBA championships during his tenure.  Brad is 25% of the way there and with similar cap situations that his teams faced.  Bob Myers was also there ALOT longer than Brad.  Brad is only on what year 2 of being the GM?  the trajectory of this team is deep playoff runs for the foreseeable futures unless major injuries get in the way

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8 minutes ago, str8baller said:

A really big name can command that. Phil Jackson to the Knicks. Reilly was given ownership in the Heat. Rare. But that’s why in the previous post about leverage I said i didn’t know if he was quite at that level. 
 

Honestly, the best way for Stevens to get there if new ownership really wants him would be to leverage a huge IU offer and hold that over their heads. It would also explain why from the IU side there “appears “ to be interest again. 

This is certainly possible. But I don't believe the sale is likely to have advanced to a point that new ownership would have been identified and be in a position to match an IU offer in the next 6 weeks or so. So the timing may work in our favor this time.

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Steven's isn't coming until he does. I'm not falling for that talk again it's how we nd up with guys like Woodson. Brad says no so here is Michael Lewis for 7 years. He is an iu guy!!! 
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I understand your hatred of the Woodson hire, but you have some far out hot takes because of it. Getting Woodson had nothing to do with what fans believed about getting Stevens.

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8 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

all of those points are valid - but during the warriors run with klay, steph, KD, Green and others, they made decisions on the fly and they did just fine with little cap flexibility at the highest available apron but kept pieces moving.  i don't see why boston couldn't replicate it over the next 3 or 4 years.  Now, of course a new owner throws a curveball so i suppose stevens could elect to take the safer route of the two now that he's won at the highest level of basketball in the NBA.  

The NBA has put in new rules. The second apron tax cap rules have just been implemented in the last year or so. It makes things much more difficult to do what the Warriors did. 

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2 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

yeah, after Bob built and added key players to those teams that won 4 NBA championships during his tenure.  Brad is 25% of the way there and with similar cap situations that his teams faced.  Bob Myers was also there ALOT longer than Brad.  Brad is only on what year 2 of being the GM?  the trajectory of this team is deep playoff runs for the foreseeable futures unless major injuries get in the way

Brad's in year 4. Same as Woody. 

[ap2345 9,049]

This explains the NBA second apron that the Celtics are over. 

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2024/10/nba-second-apron-cba-explained

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23 minutes ago, Juwan Moye said:

Pessimists don’t accomplish greatness, optimists do.

 

HIRE BRAD STEVENS

 

 

sorry…had to. Lol

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2 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Brad's in year 4. Same as Woody. 

 

3 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

The NBA has put in new rules. The second apron tax cap rules have just been implemented in the last year or so. It makes things much more difficult to do what the Warriors did. 

the NBA continuously adds next level layers/rules/etc and its ever changing.  Yes, each year it gets harder and harder.  Was it not deemed "difficult" at the time of rules implemented during the warriors run?  Sure, it was.  Just like now, this new set of rules are "more difficult" and more challenging.  Adaptability is key and if you choose to ignore it, it'll cost you.  I don't see a reason as to why one of the most coveted NBA teams in the history of basketball will say "lets stop short of trying to continue greatness for the next 4 or 5 years and do some sort of soft rebuild or not adapt on the fly under new ownership".      

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3 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

This explains the NBA second apron that the Celtics are over. 

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2024/10/nba-second-apron-cba-explained

Boston will adapt just like the warriors did when rules similar were put into place during their run.  Boston would be silly not to adapt and continue to compete at its highest level.  

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1 minute ago, ap2345 said:

This explains the NBA second apron that the Celtics are over. 

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2024/10/nba-second-apron-cba-explained

This may not be an answerable question, but part of my skepticism for Brad comes from his value if the new ownership did something stupid and let him walk. What is the barometer on being a GM elsewhere? If he found himself unemployed due to new owners, I have a hard time believing he wouldn’t be at or near the top of every open coaching or GM job target list in perpetuity. 
 

I guess what I’m asking is, do we think he’s an NBA guy now, or does IU have the kind of emotional or familial pull to overcome that? 
 

I dunno, like I said probably not answerable, but it’s been on my mind in regards to Brad given the “timing” seems about as perfect as it could be this time. 

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It's easier said than done with the current contracts and the way the rules are. 

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Just now, OKHOOSIER said:

This may not be an answerable question, but part of my skepticism for Brad comes from his value if the new ownership did something stupid and let him walk. What is the barometer on being a GM elsewhere? If he found himself unemployed due to new owners, I have a hard time believing he wouldn’t be at or near the top of every open coaching or GM job target list in perpetuity. 
 

I guess what I’m asking is, do we think he’s an NBA guy now, or does IU have the kind of emotional or familial pull to overcome that? 
 

I dunno, like I said probably not answerable, but it’s been on my mind in regards to Brad given the “timing” seems about as perfect as it could be this time. 

I do not believe he would move to a different front office.