They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Chris007 51,229]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Mack is a super fun player and will likely be very good at the power, five level, but I’m partial to the guy that averaged 15 points a game against Big Ten defenses. and he’s a local kid. And he plays angry and defends and really rebounds considering his position.

If the same people who are calling for Malik Reneau to be our five think that we can have skinny, low, physicality guards, you’re asking for lousy roster construction again.

My concern is adding Tucker & Perkins, keeping Galloway adds nothing to our 3 point shooting. Plus with Perkins it will take him a little bit get used to the college game. I know we will add other pieces but one will be a big man. 

[Stuhoo 84,414]

1 minute ago, IndyHoops said:

Mack’s size is a problem.

I think my biggest thing is Mack has 3 years left. 

Love love, love, Mack

That doesn’t make Perkins any less of an outstanding pick up.

We are all counting our chickens before they’ve hatched. At this point I’m still hoping for one high-quality pick up. Then we’ll go from there.

[Stuhoo 84,414]

4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

My concern is adding Tucker & Perkins, keeping Galloway adds nothing to our 3 point shooting. Plus with Perkins it will take him a little bit get used to the college game. I know we will add other pieces but one will be a big man. 

Completely agree. But we have seven open spots and plenty of room for a catch and shoot wing to add to the mix.

Miller Kopp was underappreciated in his time!

A little more food for thought:

Cupps was 36% from three on low volume this past season. And he’s in the gym every morning at 6 AM working on that jumpshot. He has a ton of room for growth as a shooter.

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2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Love love, love, Mack

That doesn’t make Perkins any less of an outstanding pick up.

We are all counting our chickens before they’ve hatched. At this point I’m still hoping for one high-quality pick up. Then we’ll go from there.

Yeah, I think the Tucker news got people excited.

I also jumped to, if they are getting Tucker…that’s means we aren’t playing 2 bigs. But again… let’s take it one step at a time… lol

[Shooter 520]

7 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Mack is a super fun player and will likely be very good at a power five, but I’m partial to the guy that averaged 15 points a game against Big Ten defenses. And he’s a local kid. And he plays angry and defends and really rebounds considering his position.

If the same people who are calling for Malik Reneau to be our five think that we can have skinny, low, physicality guards, you’re asking for lousy roster construction again.

I do think the fit for Perkins is better if we go Mgabko 4 and Reneau 5. You protect a non shot blocking center with guards and wings who can keep their man out of the lane. And having a plus shooter at the 4 helps offset Perkins' relative lack of shooting.

If you start Perkins and Galloway together, the 3 and 4 absolutely have to be plus shooters. And even then, spacing will still probably be an issue.

[Stuhoo 84,414]

Just now, Shooter said:

I do think the fit for Perkins is better if we go Mgabko 4 and Reneau 5. You protect a non shot blocking center with guards and wings who can keep their man out of the lane. And having a plus shooter at the 4 helps offset Perkins' relative lack of shooting.

If you start Perkins and Galloway together, the 3 and 4 absolutely have to be plus shooters. And even then, spacing will still probably be an issue.

Great post.

I’ll propose something even better that many have been calling for. How about Galloway as the first guard off the bench?

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1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

Great post.

I’ll propose something even better that many have been calling for. How about Galloway as the first guard off the bench?

If we add three guards/wings better than Galloway, I'll be absolutely thrilled. I would not consider it likely though. Prove me wrong Mike.

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4 minutes ago, Shooter said:

If we add three guards/wings better than Galloway, I'll be absolutely thrilled. I would not consider it likely though. Prove me wrong Mike.

Perkins. Tucker.

That’d be two, amirite?

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11 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Completely agree. But we have seven open spots and plenty of room for a catch and shoot wing to add to the mix.

Miller Kopp was underappreciated in his time!

A little more food for thought:

Cupps was 36% from three on low volume this past season. And he’s in the gym every morning at 6 AM working on that jumpshot. He has a ton of room for growth as a shooter.

Don’t have the numbers but someone posted Cupps’ catch and shoot #s near the end of the season and they were substantially better, as you’d expect. It’s a bit unorthodox but he’s an easier guy to slot in and get ANYTHING from offensively if everyone else on the floor can provide ball-handling and rim pressure.

He can space, and his defender then has to leave him open — ++ play for IU, maybe 1.3 points/possession if he’s a little over 40% from 3 on open catches, OR his man doesn’t leave him, and then it’s easier for whoever’s getting to the tin.

That, and a normal progression for a guy who played a bunch of minutes, is probably a top half of the league backup PG.

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2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Perkins. Tucker.

That’d be two, amirite?

Would a freshman Tucker walk in be better than a 5th year Trey?

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2 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Would a freshman Tucker walk in be better than a 5th year Trey?

I wouldn’t think so unless he shoots the ball a lot better than expected. I love the idea of Tucker joining the team but wouldn’t be thrilled if he’s promised ~30mpg.

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3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Perkins. Tucker.

That’d be two, amirite?

Perkins yes. Tucker, I have no idea. Hard to know with freshmen. Mgbako was rated even higher, and was borderline unplayable early in the season.

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7 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Would a freshman Tucker walk in be better than a 5th year Trey?

In some ways yes, in many ways not. But Trey is pretty freaking good. He could be the 5th-7th best player on a team that made a deep tournament run if he could be used in the right role. “Featured scorer” was most certainly NOT the right role.

 

[Stuhoo 84,414]

Just now, Shooter said:

Perkins yes. Tucker, I have no idea. Hard to know with freshmen. Mgbako was rated even higher, and was borderline unplayable early in the season.

And Mgbako was borderline fantastic by March

[HoosierHoopster 7,435]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

And Mgbako was borderline fantastic by March

He was. He has terrific frosh to soph growth possibility and it will be with the feedback he gets after (likely) talking to NBA teams. 

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32 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Completely agree. But we have seven open spots and plenty of room for a catch and shoot wing to add to the mix.

Miller Kopp was underappreciated in his time!

A little more food for thought:

Cupps was 36% from three on low volume this past season. And he’s in the gym every morning at 6 AM working on that jumpshot. He has a ton of room for growth as a shooter.

I think people don’t give credence to the idea that guys get better. That what we saw this year is not going to be the same next year. Case in point… I don’t think Galloway forgot how to shoot this past season. I think he was asked to do so much more in handling the ball and guarding the best player on the opposing team. Ease his responsibilities and maybe he gets back to where he was two years ago. MR made a big jump. Why wouldn’t he continue to work to improve? Cupps the same. Mbako made a huge jump from the beginning of the season to the end. If he comes back, I would expect further improvement.

Other teams will improve as well, but our guys aren’t going to be stagnant 

[Artie86 2,599]

3 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

I think people don’t give credence to the idea that guys get better. That what we saw this year is not going to be the same next year. Case in point… I don’t think Galloway forgot how to shoot this past season. I think he was asked to do so much more in handling the ball and guarding the best player on the opposing team. Ease his responsibilities and maybe he gets back to where he was two years ago. MR made a big jump. Why wouldn’t he continue to work to improve? Cupps the same. Mbako made a huge jump from the beginning of the season to the end. If he comes back, I would expect further improvement.

Other teams will improve as well, but our guys aren’t going to be stagnant 

This…

[Chris007 51,229]

8 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

I think people don’t give credence to the idea that guys get better. That what we saw this year is not going to be the same next year. Case in point… I don’t think Galloway forgot how to shoot this past season. I think he was asked to do so much more in handling the ball and guarding the best player on the opposing team. Ease his responsibilities and maybe he gets back to where he was two years ago. MR made a big jump. Why wouldn’t he continue to work to improve? Cupps the same. Mbako made a huge jump from the beginning of the season to the end. If he comes back, I would expect further improvement.

Other teams will improve as well, but our guys aren’t going to be stagnant 

But which is the real Trey? 3 years he didn’t shoot it that well and 1 he did. He’s probably somewhere in between. I’m guessing he’ll shoot it better next season but he will be coming off knee surgery. 

But we also can’t deny that we struggle early in the season on offense. Adding a new PG to run things will take some time.

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30 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

In some ways yes, in many ways not. But Trey is pretty freaking good. He could be the 5th-7th best player on a team that made a deep tournament run if he could be used in the right role. “Featured scorer” was most certainly NOT the right role.

 

Trey makes a great starting 3 for a Top 10 team. More in a role like Andre Jackson had for UConn last year though. But you have to have that kind of talent around him. Indiana isn't close. So you have to think whether or not he can be the 2nd or 3rd best on a Top 50 team.

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4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

But which is the real Trey? 3 years he didn’t shoot it that well and 1 he did. He’s probably somewhere in between. I’m guessing he’ll shoot it better next season but he will be coming off knee surgery. 

But we also can’t deny that we struggle early in the season on offense. Adding a new PG to run things will take some time.

If we bring in some shooters… and I know that’s a big if, Trey doesn’t need to be what he was 2 years ago. Just somewhere in between that and this past year. Let him drive and dish as he did this year and be the interim until that new PG finds his place