Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[go iu bb 5,021]

22 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

I’m old enough to have kids at IU, and have many friends that do, and were not alive much less young for Mike Woodson, IU basketball player. I don’t know him like that and huge numbers of fans are the same. I know Mike Woodson as sub .500 NBA coach and guy who called me not a true fan. I would venture a guess there are plenty in my demographic who could not care less about Woody the IU player. I certainly don’t. I care about the program, not Mike Woodson or what he did or did not accomplish as a player. To my eyes, it seems like the money people are seeing a guy they rooted for in the 70s and not the bad basketball coach. I can empathize with people who knew him that way. It would be difficult for me to see Oladipo or Zeller trash their legacies. 

Same. I was alive during part of Woodson's playing days but too young to remember (born in '77).

I had never even heard of Woodson until a few years ago, before the Miller hire, when he was mentioned as a possible coaching candidate. He may have been a good player, but he wasn't good enough that he would get mentioned in all-time IU greats list discussions on message boards. I've been on IU message boards for almost 30 years now so I've seen plenty of those discussions and his name simply doesn't come up.

[Stuhoo 76,810]

2 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Go easy boys.  Debate is fine but name calling won't win you any awards,

Geez - begs the question: What will win me awards?

[Stuhoo 76,810]

2 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Same. I was alive during part of Woodson's playing days but too young to remember (born in '77).

I had never even heard of Woodson until a few years ago, before the Miller hire, when he was mentioned as a possible coaching candidate. He may have been a good player, but he wasn't good enough that he would get mentioned in all-time IU greats list discussions on message boards. I've been on IU message boards for almost 30 years now so I've seen plenty of those discussions and his name simply doesn't come up.

Pretty outstanding:

Per Game

 

Season	School	Conf	Class	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	FT	FTA	FT%	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS		SOS
1976-77	Indiana	Big Ten	FR	27		33.0	7.9	15.1	.521	2.8	3.6	.792	6.7	1.6			3.6	3.3	18.5		8.21
1977-78	Indiana	Big Ten	SO	29	28	36.0	8.3	15.9	.524	3.2	4.2	.769	5.4	1.4	1.2	0.8	3.3	2.7	19.9		5.97
1978-79	Indiana	Big Ten	JR	34	33	36.0	7.8	15.6	.498	5.4	7.1	.763	5.7	2.9	1.6	0.4	3.5	2.9	21.0		8.77
1979-80	Indiana	Big Ten	SR	14	14	35.0	7.3	16.1	.453	4.7	5.6	.835	3.5	2.6	1.1	0.6	2.4	2.3	19.3		11.24
Career	Indiana			104	75	35.1	7.9	15.6	.505	4.0	5.2	.780	5.6	2.1			3.3	2.9	19.8		8.55

[Class of '66 Old Fart 81,925]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Geez - begs the question: What will win me awards?

[LamarCheeks 17,180]

36 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

But that's what happens when you make all about yourself and less about the program.  

Look for example at Mike Ditka.  He was a Chicago Bears legend.  Came in as head coach, turned the program around, won a super bowl, and then massively under performed from there.  As the players and league passed him by, he was borderline nuts. Eventually was fired.  Fans where critical of him during the lean years, but he's still a Chicago legend because he didn't make it all about himself.  

Regardless of what Woody does from here, that does not diminish the fact that he was a great player at IU. 

People are on here are saying he wasn't and that it's his fault we didn't win an NCAA title when he was playing. That's just absurd. 

 

[AH1971 1,186]

Just now, Stuhoo said:

Pretty outstanding:

Per Game

 

Season	School	Conf	Class	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	FT	FTA	FT%	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS		SOS
Career	Indiana			104	75	35.1	7.9	15.6	.505	4.0	5.2	.780	5.6	2.1			3.3	2.9	19.8		8.55
1976-77	Indiana	Big Ten	FR	27		33.0	7.9	15.1	.521	2.8	3.6	.792	6.7	1.6			3.6	3.3	18.5		8.21
1977-78	Indiana	Big Ten	SO	29	28	36.0	8.3	15.9	.524	3.2	4.2	.769	5.4	1.4	1.2	0.8	3.3	2.7	19.9		5.97
1978-79	Indiana	Big Ten	JR	34	33	36.0	7.8	15.6	.498	5.4	7.1	.763	5.7	2.9	1.6	0.4	3.5	2.9	21.0		8.77
1979-80	Indiana	Big Ten	SR	14	14	35.0	7.3	16.1	.453	4.7	5.6	.835	3.5	2.6	1.1	0.6	2.4	2.3	19.3		11.24

Yeah you're not going to find many players with a more decorated individual career than Mike Woodson. Someone claiming to have been born in 1977 and not knowing Mike Woodson's name until a few years ago is more than suspect. I was 9 years old when he graduated and still remember him well. 

[mamasa 14,912]

4 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Geez - begs the question: What will win me awards?

[kottke 766]

5 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Geez - begs the question: What will win me awards?

I feel like this would probably be up your alley Stuhoo:

 

[Hoosier DaDa 2,059]

17 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Pretty outstanding:

Per Game

 

Season	School	Conf	Class	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	FT	FTA	FT%	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS		SOS
Career	Indiana			104	75	35.1	7.9	15.6	.505	4.0	5.2	.780	5.6	2.1			3.3	2.9	19.8		8.55
1976-77	Indiana	Big Ten	FR	27		33.0	7.9	15.1	.521	2.8	3.6	.792	6.7	1.6			3.6	3.3	18.5		8.21
1977-78	Indiana	Big Ten	SO	29	28	36.0	8.3	15.9	.524	3.2	4.2	.769	5.4	1.4	1.2	0.8	3.3	2.7	19.9		5.97
1978-79	Indiana	Big Ten	JR	34	33	36.0	7.8	15.6	.498	5.4	7.1	.763	5.7	2.9	1.6	0.4	3.5	2.9	21.0		8.77
1979-80	Indiana	Big Ten	SR	14	14	35.0	7.3	16.1	.453	4.7	5.6	.835	3.5	2.6	1.1	0.6	2.4	2.3	19.3		11.24

No wonder he doesn't like the 3pt shot.  He doesn't even have a stat line for it LOL 

[Stuhoo 76,810]

Just now, Hoosier DaDa said:

No wonder he doesn't like the 3pt shot.  He doesn't even have a stat line for it LOL 

Didn't exist during his college years. His turnovers were pretty high though! :)

[Hoosier DaDa 2,059]

Just now, Stuhoo said:

Didn't exist during his college years. His turnovers were pretty high though! :)

I know I was being sarcastic.  He was killing it from the line his senior year though. 

[go iu bb 5,021]

27 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Yeah you're not going to find many players with a more decorated individual career than Mike Woodson. Someone claiming to have been born in 1977 and not knowing Mike Woodson's name until a few years ago is more than suspect. I was 9 years old when he graduated and still remember him well. 

I'm the one you're referring to an I wasn't watching IU basketball as a baby. Sorry. I vaguely remember the '87 team and didn't really get into IU basketball until the early 90's, over 10 years after Woodson was gone.

Plus, he doesn't get brought up in IU all time lists that happen over and over on IU fan discussion boards, even by those who would have watched him play. I've seen plenty of names of players from the 50s an 60s but not him.

But enlighten me, what was the best IU game you watched as a 1 or 2 year old?

[Golfman25 4,842]

33 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

Regardless of what Woody does from here, that does not diminish the fact that he was a great player at IU. 

People are on here are saying he wasn't and that it's his fault we didn't win an NCAA title when he was playing. That's just absurd. 

 

But that is what happens when you destroy your legacy.  

[AH1971 1,186]

7 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

I'm the one you're referring to an I wasn't watching IU basketball as a baby. Sorry. I vaguely remember the '87 team and didn't really get into IU basketball until the early 90's, over 10 years after Woodson was gone.

Plus, he doesn't get brought up in IU all time lists that happen over and over on IU fan discussion boards, even by those who would have watched him play. I've seen plenty of names of players from the 50s an 60s but not him.

But enlighten me, what was the best IU game you watched as a 1 or 2 year old?

I was born the same year George McGinnis played at IU, don't remember him playing...obviously. But I sure as hell had heard about him before a few years ago. Mike Woodson finished 2nd all-time in career scoring at the time he graduated and was recently bumped outside the top 5 this prior season by TJD. He was one of the best defenders in program history. Outside Cheaney and McGinnis, you could make a legitimate case he's the best player at IU to never win a title. And he was also one of the better Knight NBA players that Coach RMK produced. 

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2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I was born the same year George McGinnis played at IU, don't remember him playing...obviously. But I sure as hell had heard about him before a few years ago. Mike Woodson finished 2nd all-time in career scoring at the time he graduated and was recently bumped this prior season by TJD. He was one of the best defenders in program history. Outside Cheaney and McGinnis, you could make a legitimate case he's the best player at IU to never win a title. And he was also one of the better Knight NBA players that Coach RMK produced. 

I've heard plenty of McGinnis. HIs name is brought often when discussing IU greats. I cant help it that Woodson's name doesn't come up, I just know that it doesn't. Not by the people I talked to growing up nor on IU message boards, which I've been on for nearly 30 years. Don't know what else to tell you. /shrug

[AH1971 1,186]

3 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

I've heard plenty of McGinnis. HIs name is brought often when discussing IU greats. I cant help it that Woodson's name doesn't come up, I just know that it doesn't. Not by the people I talked to growing up nor on IU message boards, which I've been on for nearly 30 years. Don't know what else to tell you. /shrug

I'd love to see what message boards you discourse on that doesn't include Woodson as a top 15 or so Hoosier? 

[OKHOOSIER 1,902]

Nothing he did as a player has anything to do with Mike Woodson, bad basketball coach. I haven’t said anything about Mike Woodson as a player, because I never saw Mike Woodson play basketball. I have only watched Mike Woodson coach basketball, and Mike Woodson is not good at coaching college or NBA basketball. This is a really strange argument right now you guys are having lol. Fire Mike Woodson. 

[LamarCheeks 17,180]

12 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

But that is what happens when you destroy your legacy.  

Guess people just aren't smart enough to separate Woody the IU coach from Woody the IU player. 

[AH1971 1,186]

Just now, LamarCheeks said:

Guess people just aren't smart enough to separate Woody the IU coach from Woody the IU player. 

Correct. I will assure you nobody from Georgetown is discounting Patrick Ewing's legacy. 

[Golfman25 4,842]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Correct. I will assure you nobody from Georgetown is discounting Patrick Ewing's legacy. 

Was Patrick Ewing a **** or just a bad coach?