Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[IUFAN1976 3,912]

7 minutes ago, mbredenk101 said:

17 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

The point of moving on from that executive would be to put in placer a better option, as such there are none at IU. Other than satisfying the seething fan base there is no reason to fire CMW. I was for firing him earlier, just for fear he might eek out enough wins to be retained. That ship has all but sailed barring Jesus transferring in late season, and he may even struggle in Woodson's offense.
  And realize the forces that led to retaining CMW last off season are still in place. Woodson's failure and Dolsons fb accomplishments have shifted the power balance, but with no real benefit to firing him this late into this failure of a season, it seems for Dolson to use up the political capital he has amassed to merely pants Woodson seems unwise.  Let Woodson lay in the bed he made and then fade into the annuls of IU failed coaching.

I can understand your points, and they are all valid. However, I feel that by not moving on from him, every time he shows mediocrity and/or poor performance, and nothing about his future is addressed, it is communicating that it is acceptable. This is what I feel continues to damage the brand. When IU hires the next coach, it will be interesting if high expectations are talked about in the press conference....because right now, those high expectations are not being showing in the lack of communication with how this will end. I think they need to announce that he will be done at seasons end regardless of his feelings on it. If he doesn't like it and walks away before that, so be it....

This is what they should do, but instead of doing the right thing, they are doing for the wrong reasons to save a basketball legends legacy, IMO.  If that is truly the reason, I say F that, he hasn’t showed he actually cares about IU like he said he did. If he did, he would of stepped down already or at least make the announcement himself about retirement 

[JF87 1,660]

36 minutes ago, mbredenk101 said:

I still don't understand how an organization can have so many data points to make a decision to move on from someone but just doesn't do it. I don't think it would be too far-fetched for a large company to move on from a top executive or administrator on a project if they were showing signs of not producing or damaging the brand. I can't imagine that company waiting until the end of the project to let the person go. If it's moving in the wrong direction, why let it go downstream even more?

Because Archie got 4 years.  

[go iu bb 6,899]

1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

stupid tweet 

 

It is a DD tweet so it's pretty much a given that it was a stupid tweet. It's what he does.

[iu eyedoc 2,316]

34 minutes ago, mbredenk101 said:

44 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

The point of moving on from that executive would be to put in placer a better option, as such there are none at IU. Other than satisfying the seething fan base there is no reason to fire CMW. I was for firing him earlier, just for fear he might eek out enough wins to be retained. That ship has all but sailed barring Jesus transferring in late season, and he may even struggle in Woodson's offense.
  And realize the forces that led to retaining CMW last off season are still in place. Woodson's failure and Dolsons fb accomplishments have shifted the power balance, but with no real benefit to firing him this late into this failure of a season, it seems for Dolson to use up the political capital he has amassed to merely pants Woodson seems unwise.  Let Woodson lay in the bed he made and then fade into the annuls of IU failed coaching.

I can understand your points, and they are all valid. However, I feel that by not moving on from him, every time he shows mediocrity and/or poor performance, and nothing about his future is addressed, it is communicating that it is acceptable. This is what I feel continues to damage the brand. When IU hires the next coach, it will be interesting if high expectations are talked about in the press conference....because right now, those high expectations are not being showing in the lack of communication with how this will end. I think they need to announce that he will be done at seasons end regardless of his feelings on it. If he doesn't like it and walks away before that, so be it....

IU's brand is Great Value to  anyone without gray hair, so not sure Woodson is really doing any damage to it for those that it will matter for that the next staff will be looking for.

Look, IU football would have embraced mediocrity with open arms up until as recently as 6 months ago, so hire the right guy and that is all that will really matter.

Answer yourself this question:

What of these choices does firing CMW with 9 games left in the season accomplish?

1) Allows for better coaching by his inexperienced assistants

2) Make a tournament bid more likely

3) Enhance IU's future coaching pool

4) ENhance IU's reputation

5) Satisfy fans blood lust.

Other than #5. It  pretty much is pointless.

If it happens tomorrow, I would rejoice, but in the grand scheme it doesn't really matter.

 

[monskisprodigy 2,044]

One thing I keep coming back to after a buddy mentioned it…I’ve been to a game at Mackey, and again you could hear it / see it over the TV last night. That place was rocking, no dead time, upbeat music playing constantly during timeouts, kept the energy and the crowd in it. 

How could any of our administrators attend that game and not see that we have to make changes to our game experience for fans. It’s so stale…the wat shot, mellencamp, same band songs, dead/quiet time. No energy, nothing to keep the pulse. 

We have so much work to do in that department IMO. 

[iu eyedoc 2,316]

12 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

My selfish satisfaction and more time to find the right guy. Maybe calm the fanbase down some

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Do you think they aren't seeking that guy as we speak? Whatever can be done prior to seasons end is being done.

[Ryno6284 2,944]

Rice and Reneau can sit the rest of the year! I would rather have Hatton playing.  I can almost guarantee, if MR gets that offensive rebound in the first half instead of LH,  it doesn’t get kicked to Goode for a 3!  MR is a negative too many times when he is on the floor, which is another problem, he can’t stay out of foul trouble!

 

FIRE WOOSON!

[mbredenk101 566]

IU's brand is Great Value to  anyone without gray hair, so not sure Woodson is really doing any damage to it for those that it will matter for that the next staff will be looking for.
Look, IU football would have embraced mediocrity with open arms up until as recently as 6 months ago, so hire the right guy and that is all that will rally matter.
Answer yourself this question:
What of these choices does firing CMW with 9 games left in the season accomplish?
1) Allows for better coaching by his inexperienced assistants
2) Make a tournament bid more likely
3) Enhance IU's future coaching pool
4) ENhance IU's reputation
5) Satisfy fans blood lust.
Other than #5. It  pretty much is pointless.
If it happens tomorrow, I would rejoice, but in the grand scheme it doesn't really matter.
 

Good points....just annoyed and frustrated that I have gray hair.

[Kentuckysucks 2,581]

This guy seems to have a lot of passion and energy.  Should Dolson give him a look?

https://x.com/thehoopherald/status/1885449695251620192?s=46

 

[iu eyedoc 2,316]

Just now, mbredenk101 said:

6 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

IU's brand is Great Value to  anyone without gray hair, so not sure Woodson is really doing any damage to it for those that it will matter for that the next staff will be looking for.
Look, IU football would have embraced mediocrity with open arms up until as recently as 6 months ago, so hire the right guy and that is all that will rally matter.
Answer yourself this question:
What of these choices does firing CMW with 9 games left in the season accomplish?
1) Allows for better coaching by his inexperienced assistants
2) Make a tournament bid more likely
3) Enhance IU's future coaching pool
4) ENhance IU's reputation
5) Satisfy fans blood lust.
Other than #5. It  pretty much is pointless.
If it happens tomorrow, I would rejoice, but in the grand scheme it doesn't really matter.
 

Good points....just annoyed and frustrated that I have gray hair.

It's happening younger and younger for IU basketball fans. There is a new product that helps, it's called Just For IU Fans, it only comes in one color though, Mike Woodson Jet Black

[mbredenk101 566]

It's happening younger and younger for IU basketball fans. There is a new product that helps, it's called Just For IU Fans, it only comes in one color though, Mike Woodson Jet Black

Yeah..in my early 40s...not ok...

[monskisprodigy 2,044]

Whoever we hire, has to have a clear vision for the program, and have the stones to drive the message into everyone’s head every single day until everyone buys in…

People were sick of cig, every press conference he gave the same answers “one day at a time, no self imposed limitations, fast physical relentless, production over potential”….he didn’t waver, and that’s how you set culture as a leader. 

Now who can do that…really not sure. 

[AZ Hoosier 8,117]

57 minutes ago, mbredenk101 said:

I still don't understand how an organization can have so many data points to make a decision to move on from someone but just doesn't do it. I don't think it would be too far-fetched for a large company to move on from a top executive or administrator on a project if they were showing signs of not producing or damaging the brand. I can't imagine that company waiting until the end of the project to let the person go. If it's moving in the wrong direction, why let it go downstream even more?

In a single word:

NEPOTISM.

Woodson is protected by Buckner, the BoT and the big money donors. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[AZ Hoosier 8,117]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I agree!  Ballo showed some fire and it was directed at the correct guy.  Rice is a selfish player and took and ill-advised shot with the game on the line.  He had a hot Mgbako open in the corner, or at least drive it all the way to basket.  
 

Other than those 20 turnovers that killed us, this was the best and hardest played game they have played all year.  I honestly that tonight we were the better team, personnel wise, but we weren’t better coached.  Too many miscues, especially down the stretch cost us this game and that comes down to coaching.

Admittedly, I did not watch the game... but I have to ask...

If  Rice, Carlyle, Reneau and Tucker are such liabilities (and from what I've seen, they are)... why are they in the game at critical junctures? Seems to me to be a coaching/leadership issue. Of course, we all know and agree that there is... but inquiring minds just want to know why.

[Mopladysman 450]

10 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

This guy seems to have a lot of passion and energy.  Should Dolson give him a look?

https://x.com/thehoopherald/status/1885449695251620192?s=46

 

Hell yeah

[IUFAN1976 3,912]

1 minute ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Admittedly, I did not watch the game... but I have to ask...

If Rice and Reneau are such liabilities (and from what I've seen, they are)... why are they in the game at critical junctures? Seems to me to be a coaching/leadership issue. Of course, we all know and agree that there is... but inquiring minds just want to know why.

I think that is a question we all or someone needs to ask MW.  It could be a money issue.  Last night Rice was in the game at the end because Leal fouled out.

[JF87 1,660]

25 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

IU's brand is Great Value to  anyone without gray hair, so not sure Woodson is really doing any damage to it for those that it will matter for that the next staff will be looking for.

Look, IU football would have embraced mediocrity with open arms up until as recently as 6 months ago, so hire the right guy and that is all that will really matter.

Answer yourself this question:

What of these choices does firing CMW with 9 games left in the season accomplish?

1) Allows for better coaching by his inexperienced assistants

2) Make a tournament bid more likely

3) Enhance IU's future coaching pool

4) ENhance IU's reputation

5) Satisfy fans blood lust.

Other than #5. It  pretty much is pointless.

If it happens tomorrow, I would rejoice, but in the grand scheme it doesn't really matter.

 

I choose blood.

[Hoosier DaDa 3,016]

18 hours ago, Scotty R said:

No matter who the next coach is that there will be another fire coach thread after their first loss

No

[RaceToTheTop 26,886]

2 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Admittedly, I did not watch the game... but I have to ask...

If Rice and Reneau are such liabilities (and from what I've seen, they are)... why are they in the game at critical junctures? Seems to me to be a coaching/leadership issue. Of course, we all know and agree that there is... but inquiring minds just want to know why.

I think part of it is Woody makes promises about PT and role to get players in and for good and bad, he tries to stick with it.  The only guy who has really seen a big drop in minutes is Carlyle and in his case I don't think even if he justify sticking to what he said.  So he tries to keep a promise to the detriment of the team.  

I think right now the best five we have -- the ones that should start --   are Galloway, Leal, Goode, Mgbako, and Ballo.  But we know he promised MM he'd be playing the 3, it could be assumed he promised Rice the starting point guard spot, and you would think that MR would have received some assurances as well.

Now, it's not like Galloway has been lights out every game....he's laid as many eggs as Rice.  But the ball movement is better with Galloway.

 

 

[IUFAN1976 3,912]

24 minutes ago, Ryno6284 said:

Rice and Reneau can sit the rest of the year! I would rather have Hatton playing.  I can almost guarantee, if MR gets that offensive rebound in the first half instead of LH,  it doesn’t get kicked to Goode for a 3!  MR is a negative too many times when he is on the floor, which is another problem, he can’t stay out of foul trouble!

 

FIRE WOOSON!

Finally someone who feels the way I do about Reneau.  He’s a blackhole and a selfish player.  I am not 100% sure but I would bet that his +/- for the year is a minus.  Rice is a bad rollercoaster ride and has tried to play hero too many times when he’s not been the guy!