Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[steubenhoosier 1,185]

14 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Why we sucked is that we went away from what made IU great. A culture and foundation of a program built on hard work, toughness and playing as a team. We went away from our recruiting strategies and tried to go the route of getting the highest rated players as possible. It use to be about evaluating and developing players and now it is about paying the most money for entitled players.

It is time to go back to what made IU great and that is get a hard nosed coach who will instill a culture built around the team and not individuals. It is time to go back to recruiting our hot bed area and getting the very best of Indiana high school players then going out from Indiana. It is time to go back to having the whole being greater than its parts and build a program and not a team.

Understand, and agree in part. What you are asking for isn’t going to happen in today’s world.

Back in the day, basketball was regionalized. You only saw games played in your neck of the woods. Players mostly saw a few teams. Certainly, their recruitments were influenced by this. Now, kids can watch programs all over the country and see how different coaches Coach, and interact with the players. 
 

My point is, the days of “locking down the state” are long gone. No way can a coach rely on just pulling the best players from Indiana- they have too many options 

[IUFAN1976 3,996]

19 minutes ago, VFury said:

Matt Painter is a very forward thinking coach, the fact he's an alum is just a happy coincidence. Also, he coached 12 years before advancing past the sweet 16 and completely bottomed out for 2 years. we would have fired him long before he became as successful as he has been.

And he will tell you, because I know him personally, he learned a lot about coaching from Keady and Knight but it was Knight’s advice that got him back on track when he bottomed out. 

[cbp4iu 1,777]

34 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Seems a little weird in here today. 

Has the booze started?

[steubenhoosier 1,185]

12 minutes ago, VFury said:

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. This exact thing won a lot of games in the 70's and 80's. It's meaningless now. You can point to Painter all you want, but he is a very modern coach who isn't who you think he is. He's one of the best offensive minds in the game. To think your just gonna be among the best by simply working hard, going to class, and bounce passing it better than everyone else is delusional and, again, why IU has sucked for 25 years.

Wait. His offensive strategy the last few years was to throw it into Andre the Giant and let him bully his way to the basket. 

[Home Jersey 9,896]

On Monday morning, this thread was on page 1771. We will almost certainly pass page 1900 tonight. 

You guys are great and all (for the most part) but I'm starting to rethink my lifestyle choices... lol

[JF87 1,704]

2 hours ago, AH1971 said:

Solely responsible? Of course not never said that. But if you don't win overnight, you're on the chopping block quick. 

I'd be willing to give the right coach time if you can see incremental improvement and the establishment of a style and culture.  However, Mike Woodson is not that guy.  Fire Mike Woodson.  

[Scotty R 2,501]

6 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

Understand, and agree in part. What you are asking for isn’t going to happen in today’s world.

Back in the day, basketball was regionalized. You only saw games played in your neck of the woods. Players mostly saw a few teams. Certainly, their recruitments were influenced by this. Now, kids can watch programs all over the country and see how different coaches Coach, and interact with the players. 
 

My point is, the days of “locking down the state” are long gone. No way can a coach rely on just pulling the best players from Indiana- they have too many options 

You are probably right about the recruiting but I still think that is where you start then branch out. If our recruiting class this year started with Mullins, Harrelson and Sisely that is a great start. To me you still need to recruit high school and then supplement it with transfers

[VFury 90]

2 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

Wait. His offensive strategy the last few years was to throw it into Andre the Giant and let him bully his way to the basket. 

If he were only good the years he had Edey I would have taken this comment seriously.

[Silat Player 691]

40 minutes ago, VFury said:

We would have torn Painter to shreds if he were at IU had didn't do anything with Hummel and then proceeded to miss a couple tournaments in a row. We essentially were at the same impasse with Crean, and we booted him out before he got the chance to change.

We booted Crean out before he got a chance to change? LOL

He got 9 years! And his tenure at Georgia showed that he had zero intention of changing. Picking a case or two like Painter and then applying that to all underachieving coaching coaches is not exactly how reasonable evaluation works. Painter is an outlier. 

Usually coaches show you exactly who they are. 

Crean failed at Georgia after he failed at IU.
Archie has failed at Rhode Island after he failed at IU.
Davis has failed everywhere after he failed at IU.

As we all know, the only decent coach IU has had post-RMK is Sampson, and he has shown that at Houston. 

This revisionist history about IU not giving coaches a chance is silly.

[JSHoosier 20,852]

Saw several new pages and that IU might have pulled their head out of their arse. So disappointing.

IU WILL NOT HIRE BRAD BROWNELL OR WILL WADE. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

FIRE.

MIKE.

WOODSON.

[OKHOOSIER 3,618]

Just now, Home Jersey said:

On Monday morning, this thread was on page 1771. We will almost certainly pass page 1900 tonight. 

You guys are great and all (for the most part) but I'm starting to rethink my lifestyle choices... lol

We’re gonna need Stu to make a rehab thread for us after he actually gets canned.

 

[Chris007 48,326]

14 minutes ago, cbp4iu said:

Has the booze started?

Pregame is underway.

[JF87 1,704]

4 hours ago, Eagle’s Rug said:

Chris Jans doesn’t get thrown out there very much.  He actually makes the same as Bigfoot.  Would not mind at all if we could pull him out the SEC.

Jans was fired from Bowling Green for inappropriate behavior in a bar.  IU would be looking elsewhere.

[IUHoosierJoe 1,393]

57 minutes ago, BleedCubbieBlue said:

That wouldn’t happen to be the same year that he was being suspended for making “strong-@ss offers” would it?

Just to answer your question, which I thought was a fair one, Wade was suspended for the final 5 games of 2018-19.  That included the final regular season game that LSU won and clinched the outright conference championship, an SEC tournament game that they lost, and 3 NCAA tournament games.

[IUFAN1976 3,996]

2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Pregame is underway.

Houston we have a problem!  A major problem!  Lol

[steubenhoosier 1,185]

8 minutes ago, VFury said:

If he were only good the years he had Edey I would have taken this comment seriously.

Before Edey there was Haarms. Before that Haas. 
You get the idea. That is if you seriously want to look at the pattern 

[Uspshoosier 47,322]

2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Pregame is underway.

 

[cbp4iu 1,777]

6 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Pregame is underway.

He’s back 

[steubenhoosier 1,185]

2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

 

Nice. Every time I have a friend or family member go to Wisconsin, they bring me a case

[Shooter 498]

43 minutes ago, VFury said:

Matt Painter is a very forward thinking coach, the fact he's an alum is just a happy coincidence. Also, he coached 12 years before advancing past the sweet 16 and completely bottomed out for 2 years. we would have fired him long before he became as successful as he has been.

We might have fired him after the two straight missed tourneys. Maybe not though - he was still really young, he was an alum, and he had multiple very successful seasons before that downturn.

We absolutely would not have fired him at any point in years 9-12, when he went 12-6 / 12-6 / 14-4 / 15-3 in the Big Ten, even though he was underperforming in the tourney.