Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[AZ Hoosier 8,070]

10 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Playing devils advocate… if Dolson is “falling” for Stevens - swinging for home runs and missing - that’s definitely a factor in how we ended up with Woodson. If some narratives are to believed, striking out on Stevens last time was all the opportunity Buckner needed to railroad his guy in there. I get people who are over the idea of Stevens at this point and need to see it to believe it. Definitely worthwhile for Dolson to stay engaged with Stevens hoping the timing works out. But prioritization and timing and anticipating internal obstacles needs to be better this time around.

I also find it interesting that many here (not necessarily you) are putting Stevens and Dusty May in the category of "home run hires" and "big dogs"... and Dolson missed on Stevens (and Pearl) last year. Buckner had agreed to let Woodson go if Dolson could lock down a big name coach... Dusty was on the table, and is now considered a prime target, but it wasn't good enough for Buckner last year when it was significantly more possible.

After hiring Cignetti, and with Buckner (hopefully) out of the way, I am willing to sit back and let Scott Dolson do what he's paid to do - hire coaches... 

[Home Jersey 9,479]

6 minutes ago, str8baller said:

That is good context.

 

It could also cut the other way: that’s all the more incentive for new ownership to pony up whatever it takes to keep Stevens there to guide them through that ordeal. 
 

Either way, I think the point that new ownership is variable that adds some uncertainty is a good one to keep in mind. 

I’m inclined to believe this makes new ownership pony up big time to keep him… maybe a small ownership stake. They will want continuity in the organization and you’re not gonna find a GM with a better reputation at the moment. They’re gonna offer him the world and a blank check IMO.

[Kentuckysucks 2,528]

1 minute ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I also find it interesting that many here (not necessarily you) are putting Stevens and Dusty May in the category of "home run hires" and "big dogs"... and Dolson missed on Stevens (and Pearl) last year. Buckner had agreed to let Woodson go if Dolson could lock down a big name coach... Dusty was on the table, and is now considered a prime target, but it wasn't good enough for Buckner last year when it was significantly more possible.

After hiring Cignetti, and with Buckner (hopefully) out of the way, I am willing to sit back and let Scott Dolson do what he's paid to do - hire coaches... 

That was likely just a cop out by Buckner.  He knew they probably couldn’t get Stevens and Dolson would never be allowed to hire Pearl.

[ap2345 8,705]

1 minute ago, Home Jersey said:

I’m inclined to believe this makes new ownership pony up big time to keep him… maybe a small ownership stake. They will want continuity in the organization and you’re not gonna find a GM with a better reputation at the moment. They’re gonna offer him the world and a blank check IMO.

You never know. You also don't know if he wants to handle a rebuild. 

[Home Jersey 9,479]

Just now, ap2345 said:

You never know. You also don't know if he wants to handle a rebuild. 

Yep just have to hope he decides IU is the best of his options. Not as if we can’t make a case for him. Rooting for it. Trying to cling to any hope for IUBB.

[ap2345 8,705]

4 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I also find it interesting that many here (not necessarily you) are putting Stevens and Dusty May in the category of "home run hires" and "big dogs"... and Dolson missed on Stevens (and Pearl) last year. Buckner had agreed to let Woodson go if Dolson could lock down a big name coach... Dusty was on the table, and is now considered a prime target, but it wasn't good enough for Buckner last year when it was significantly more possible.

After hiring Cignetti, and with Buckner (hopefully) out of the way, I am willing to sit back and let Scott Dolson do what he's paid to do - hire coaches... 

Buckner didn't approve of Pearl. Dolson didn't miss on him. Buckner didn't think Dusty was good enough either. Brad said the time wasn't right. 

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25 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Steven's isn't coming until he does. I'm not falling for that talk again it's how we nd up with guys like Woodson. Brad says no so here is Michael Lewis for 7 years. He is an iu guy!!!

 

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Fans thinking we'd get Stevens is how we got Woodson?

[Chris007 46,901]

5 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Don’t know what he’s making today as GM but unless it’s a really, really big number, I’m willing to bet 10-12M goes a lot further in southern Indiana than whatever he makes in Boston. Factor in some uncertainty in the front office and a different family situation, plus the roots… you can definitely see it if you squint. Key is to not squint too hard and convince ourselves it’s definitely gonna happen (yet)… sucks we are in the thick of basketball season and I just want it over to start coach search szn, a 21st century IU basketball favorite pastime. 

You are correct don't squint too much. We have to have good vibes but nothing is a sure thing. 

[HoosierMatty 483]

46 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Thanks Matty. Great idea. Coach Woodson wishes you good luck with the big game tonight

Lol. Hey I'm just saying it would be the ultimate Troll to Purdue fans if he flipped. I hate Purdue but I can't deny Painter is the best coach in the Big Ten.

[Chris007 46,901]

5 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I also find it interesting that many here (not necessarily you) are putting Stevens and Dusty May in the category of "home run hires" and "big dogs"... and Dolson missed on Stevens (and Pearl) last year. Buckner had agreed to let Woodson go if Dolson could lock down a big name coach... Dusty was on the table, and is now considered a prime target, but it wasn't good enough for Buckner last year when it was significantly more possible.

After hiring Cignetti, and with Buckner (hopefully) out of the way, I am willing to sit back and let Scott Dolson do what he's paid to do - hire coaches... 

I don't think we missed on Pearl from what I was told. Buckner just vetoed it. 

[ap2345 8,705]

Just now, HoosierMatty said:

Lol. Hey I'm just saying it would be the ultimate Troll to Purdue fans if he flipped. I hate Purdue but I can't deny Painter is the best coach in the Big Ten.

I know. It would never happen. I also felt like building off of the Matty cameo Woodson got tricked into doing lol 

[Hornsby 2,511]

Playing devils advocate… if Dolson is “falling” for Stevens - swinging for home runs and missing - that’s definitely a factor in how we ended up with Woodson. If some narratives are to believed, striking out on Stevens last time was all the opportunity Buckner needed to railroad his guy in there. I get people who are over the idea of Stevens at this point and need to see it to believe it. Definitely worthwhile for Dolson to stay engaged with Stevens hoping the timing works out. But prioritization and timing and anticipating internal obstacles needs to be better this time around.

Exactly my point.

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Pessimists don’t accomplish greatness, optimists do.

 

HIRE BRAD STEVENS

[IUHoosierJoe 1,321]

42 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Will Brad Stevens ghost be on the search list in 2065?

No, but his statue will be in front of the new Knight-Stevens arena.  :)

[Hornsby 2,511]

Buckner didn't approve of Pearl. Dolson didn't miss on him. Buckner didn't think Dusty was good enough either. Brad said the time wasn't right. 

We have limit ourselves because we don't dare touch guys like pearl or beard. We are to darn holy for them.

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[AZ Hoosier 8,070]

4 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

That was likely just a cop out by Buckner.  He knew they probably couldn’t get Stevens and Dolson would never be allowed to hire Pearl.

I completely understand that it was manipulation by Buckner, but my point is that Indiana didn't get May last year and now he's one of the top two names on almost everyone's list.. and while I'd love to see Dusty at Indiana, I am not sure how viable it really is. What a difference one year makes.

[AZ Hoosier 8,070]

4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I don't think we missed on Pearl from what I was told. Buckner just vetoed it. 

That just sucks.

[Hornsby 2,511]

Pessimists don’t accomplish greatness, optimists do.
 
HIRE BRAD STEVENS

Pessimism vs reality are two different things. A 25 year record of horrible hires is reality. Dolson is now on the prove us wrong stage.

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1 minute ago, Hornsby said:

We have limit ourselves because we don't dare touch guys like pearl or beard. We are to darn holy for them.

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.....nothing wrong with not wanting to settle! Reach for the TOP, exhaust all options and then slowly work back down....

[str8baller 5,799]

14 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I don't know what NBA GM's make but is it in the 10-12 million range?

A really big name can command that. Phil Jackson to the Knicks. Reilly was given ownership in the Heat. Rare. But that’s why in the previous post about leverage I said i didn’t know if he was quite at that level. 
 

Honestly, the best way for Stevens to get there if new ownership really wants him would be to leverage a huge IU offer and hold that over their heads. It would also explain why from the IU side there “appears “ to be interest again.