Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[DChoosier 8,343]

3 hours ago, Dave from Dayton said:

   Remember when Bob Knight benched his 5 starters?  

I remember it VERY well.

A few years out of grad school a couple IU buddies and I bet money we barely had on IU.

We went to a sports bar in Chicago to watch the nationally televised game ( which was a BIG deal back then) against Illinois,   ordered our beers and then heard the announcer tell everyone that Knight had benched Alford and all the starters except Blab (he benched 4/5, not all 5). We sh!te our pants,  IU scored 12 points in the first half and on Monday we handed our bookie an envelope full of cash….LOL

[Hoosierfan2017 21,320]

I love how Woodson’s supporters call it “character assassination” when people criticize Woodson for refusing to actually do the job he’s paid millions of dollars to do. Sorry, but some of us aren’t happy to see him loaf around collecting a paycheck. We want a guy who actually cares about the program to be running it.  

[Hornsby 1,799]

Outscored 30-12, 18 point difference.
Lost by 17.
If you’re trying to get over a hump, why make it into a mountain?

The king knows best. You try and win when your only given 6 million. Give the king 10 million and three more years to beat the hump. He is the king folks.


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[wirenuts 1,056]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

It’s not even like the Archie Miller hire that looked good at the time but in hindsight was a bad decision. It was crystal clear from day 1 that it was a horrible hire yet they did it anyway and have subjected us to four years of it. 

It was a bad decision if it was just Woodson and that was definitely the case when he was hired on this board. 

The part where a lot thought the idea was a lot better is when everybody thought that Woodson was going to be helped by Dane Fife and Thad Matta. It is a shame that didn't stay the case

[akumanina 320]

1 hour ago, Hoosier987 said:

You can’t play MR and OB together. It’s so basic that it’s sad at this point that Woodson refuses to change. 

So when they're on the court, they must score a bunch, otherwise, they're not useful and probably don't contribute to the team's winning. 

[AZ Hoosier 7,009]

It was a bad decision if it was just Woodson and that was definitely the case when he was hired on this board.  The part where a lot thought the idea was a lot better is when everybody thought that Woodson was going to be helped by Dane Fife and Thad Matta. It is a shame that didn't stay the case

 

They were ignored/dismissed by royal edict. Fire his arrogant self.

[Hoosier987 1,146]

1 hour ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

Outscored 30-12, 18 point difference.

Lost by 17.

If you’re trying to get over a hump, why make it into a mountain?

That’s the thing. Woodson is the hump.

[Dave from Dayton 3,181]

2 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

The whole “program” narrative is complete BS.  Back in the day, fine.  We had plenty of debates here about everything from IU’s reluctance to pay players under the table to the freaking cheerleaders uniforms.  Well that ship has sailed.  We can now pay players and have a top NIL package to do so.  So that excuse is gone.  So we must be back to the cheerleaders uniforms.  

One may consider calming down and try to appreciate that other people have differing opinions.  It makes this site and living a lot more enjoyable.  Especially if one listens to understand another point of view, rather than with the intent to just respond and diss.

Some of us may appreciate another person explaining why the other person's opinion may not be correct.  Rhetoric is cool.  But it doesn't necessarily carry the discussion forward.

I would like to hear why hiring Woodson had nothing to do with the program being mismanaged (in my opinion) by the Board of Trustees and the Department. 

 

 

[JSHoosier 20,160]

3 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said:

One may consider calming down and try to appreciate that other people have differing opinions.  It makes this site and living a lot more enjoyable.  Especially if one listens to understand another point of view, rather than with the intent to just respond and diss.

Some of us may appreciate another person explaining why the other person's opinion may not be correct.  Rhetoric is cool.  But it doesn't necessarily carry the discussion forward.

 

 

With Tyme it's just excuses, moving the goal post to avoid putting blame on Woodson.

Went from saying Woodson didn't know what it took but does now, to saying now he's got the guards, and now since on court hasn't changed much saying the program needs gutted.

[Dave from Dayton 3,181]

10 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

With Tyme it's just excuses, moving the goal post to avoid putting blame on Woodson.

Went from saying Woodson didn't know what it took but does now, to saying now he's got the guards, and now since on court hasn't changed much saying the program needs gutted.

Never said Woodson is not to blame.  Get rid of that argument.  There is none.

I made the point that both Woodson and IU administration have seriously botched this.

[DChoosier 8,343]

34 minutes ago, wirenuts said:

It was a bad decision if it was just Woodson and that was definitely the case when he was hired on this board. 

The part where a lot thought the idea was a lot better is when everybody thought that Woodson was going to be helped by Dane Fife and Thad Matta. It is a shame that didn't stay the case

Hiring a guy without college experience was a bad idea. And subsequently Woody has been a failure.

Telling that type of coach (one without college experience), during negotiations/interviews, that it would be a good idea to bring in an experienced assistant is fine BUT then the head coach should pick that guy. Having other people hire/push assistants on a newly hired coach was a bad idea. Just a series of F’ups.

[JSHoosier 20,160]

Just now, Dave from Dayton said:

Never said Woodson is not to blame.  Get rid of that argument.  There is none.

I made the point that both Woodson and IU administration have seriously botched this.

I've pretty consistently placed blame on Woodson (a lousy coach that was semi-retired anyway) and the administration, only IU has an administration dumb enough to hire Woodson.

I was just pointing out that Tyme, who the poster you originally quoted was referring to, constantly moves the goal posts to avoid placing any blame on Woodson.

[JSHoosier 20,160]

1 minute ago, DChoosier said:

Hiring a guy without college experience was a bad idea. And subsequently Woody has been a failure.

Telling that type of coach (one without college experience), during negotiations/interviews, that it would be a good idea to bring in an experienced assistant is fine BUT then the head coach should pick that guy. Having other people hire/push assistants on a newly hired coach was a bad idea. Just a series of F’ups.

Armond Hill has college coaching experience and was so bad he'd make Woodson look good.

[IUFAN1976 3,071]

1 hour ago, Hoosier987 said:

You can’t play MR and OB together. It’s so basic that it’s sad at this point that Woodson refuses to change. 

And I guarantee you they both start next game!  Obviously Woodson thinks he knows better than the data, because he’s the smartest man in the room 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,320]

45 minutes ago, wirenuts said:

It was a bad decision if it was just Woodson and that was definitely the case when he was hired on this board. 

The part where a lot thought the idea was a lot better is when everybody thought that Woodson was going to be helped by Dane Fife and Thad Matta. It is a shame that didn't stay the case

Honestly if you have to hire help to teach your 63 year old new coach how to be a coach, that’s a sure fire sign that you’re making the wrong pick.. 

[Tasmanian Devil 1,560]

51 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

The king knows best. You try and win when your only given 6 million. Give the king 10 million and three more years to beat the hump. He is the king folks.


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[IUFAN1976 3,071]

1 hour ago, wirenuts said:

It was a bad decision if it was just Woodson and that was definitely the case when he was hired on this board. 

The part where a lot thought the idea was a lot better is when everybody thought that Woodson was going to be helped by Dane Fife and Thad Matta. It is a shame that didn't stay the case

That is why many fans sort of bought into but he felt threatened and his ego took a hit and he wasn’t going to have it once he started and he wasted no time getting rid of Fife and running off Matta because the is a total a**!!!!

[Rico 3,028]

3 hours ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

Listen, I loved Woodson as a player. He was a legend. And I understand the character assassination you feel is unnecessary.

At the same time, Woodson has brought some of this grief upon himself. This goes beyond running an antiquated system that no one else competing at a high level uses. It’s about effort - or lack thereof. And we’re not just referring to the lack of effort in the Louisville and Gonzaga games, or in the last 7 minutes Friday night.

How about going to sectionals when your team is not playing - and all your rival coaches are there? How about taking a minute of your day to send a text to a committed player (McNeeley) so to keep building a relationship? How about going to scheduled dinner with a player in town on a recruiting trip but instead blow it off so you can continue smoking cigars and playing cards?

Vince Lombardi once said “Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all time thing. You don't win once in a while, you don't do things right once in a while, you do them right all the time. Winning is habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.”

That’s the issue I see with Woodson. His team’s effort is a direct reflection of their coach. As coach of IU, there are a lot of great benefits and privileges, and he’s enjoying the wine, the cigars, and the golf. But the other things - the things that go a long ways toward being successful - he’s content with doing them once in a while.

You can’t be once in a while, you can’t be sometimes. If you are, you get what we see in Indiana Basketball.

Great post!  

[MikeRoberts 6,998]

50 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

Hiring a guy without college experience was a bad idea. And subsequently Woody has been a failure.

Telling that type of coach (one without college experience), during negotiations/interviews, that it would be a good idea to bring in an experienced assistant is fine BUT then the head coach should pick that guy. Having other people hire/push assistants on a newly hired coach was a bad idea. Just a series of F’ups.

True but in all fairness, Woody did better when IU helped him with this… Matta, Fife etc. He didn’t like them and pushed them out but those were his most successful seasons

[AZ Hoosier 7,009]

55 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

Telling that type of coach (one without college experience), during negotiations/interviews, that it would be a good idea to bring in an experienced assistant is fine BUT then the head coach should pick that guy. Having other people hire/push assistants on a newly hired coach was a bad idea. Just a series of F’ups.

There's plenty of blame to go around... but Woodson refused the help and refused to bring anyone with college experience in to assist... instead, we get sleepy Armond Hill. At least with Thad Motta and Dane Fife, the administration gave him some experienced help.

Not sure about how the assistants (Hunter, Rosemond) were selected/retained... clearly Woodson had NO contacts from the college game that he knew and/or were willing to come along for the ride... 

He had no clue on day one. Four years later, he still has no clue. His schemes are from the '80s, and his results are telling.