Fire Coach Woodson Thread

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1 minute ago, 8bucks said:

Why do you think they went with the "we are Massholes now" response?  Seemed they could easily have said we are flattered but no.

I think his daughter may only be a sophomore.  Wellesley girls soccer plays Brookline in MIAA Division 1 Final 4 game (article from 11/24 refers to her as a sophomore).  I wonder if that would keep the door closed 2 more years.  If she is a D1 level player (which is possible since she mentions playing in nationals) then some skip playing HS soccer and focus more on national club level teams.  Not all, and many in Indiana do not skip HS.  The best state clubs are in the Carmel/Westfield area (Indiana Fire and Indy Premier) and would be quite the distance from Btown.  There might be better options closer to Cincy or L'ville.  

Not saying he wont come but if his daughter is a sophomore, and wants to play club soccer Bloomington would require a lot of driving.  My daughter played club up in the Carmel area and a couple of her teammates drove up from Columbus for the 3 times a week practice.  

Bloomington is closer to Carmel than Louisville and Cincy, though? 

I don't think that's all that bad of a drive for AAU/club. 

[Chris007 44,066]

2 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Why do you think they went with the "we are Massholes now" response?  Seemed they could easily have said we are flattered but no.

I think his daughter may only be a sophomore.  Wellesley girls soccer plays Brookline in MIAA Division 1 Final 4 game (article from 11/24 refers to her as a sophomore).  I wonder if that would keep the door closed 2 more years.  If she is a D1 level player (which is possible since she mentions playing in nationals) then some skip playing HS soccer and focus more on national club level teams.  Not all, and many in Indiana do not skip HS.  The best state clubs are in the Carmel/Westfield area (Indiana Fire and Indy Premier) and would be quite the distance from Btown.  There might be better options closer to Cincy or L'ville.  

Not saying he wont come but if his daughter is a sophomore, and wants to play club soccer Bloomington would require a lot of driving.  My daughter played club up in the Carmel area and a couple of her teammates drove up from Columbus for the 3 times a week practice.  

My personal opinion was that they were sorta backing out of a verbal agreement so that's why they went were Massholes now.

Bloomington South has a really good soccer program. I think they got beat in the state championship this year. That might have been the boys but soccer is good here in Bloomington. The Cutters have a nice program I've always heard. 

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6 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

My personal opinion was that they were sorta backing out of a verbal agreement so that's why they went were Massholes now.

Bloomington South has a really good soccer program. I think they got beat in the state championship this year. That might have been the boys but soccer is good here in Bloomington. The Cutters have a nice program I've always heard. 

It also wouldn't be the first time a coach has said they're not leaving then left.

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54 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

There is only one reason you hire a candidate no other school would even think to hire.

Corruption?

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25 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

FWIW, Cig has repeatedly said that his interactions with IU leading up to his hire were with two people; Scott Dolson and Pam Whitten.

Those two are a great choice as the entire IU negotiating team.

Those are the only 2 that should be involved. 

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18 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Why do you think they went with the "we are Massholes now" response?  Seemed they could easily have said we are flattered but no.

I think his daughter may only be a sophomore.  Wellesley girls soccer plays Brookline in MIAA Division 1 Final 4 game (article from 11/24 refers to her as a sophomore).  I wonder if that would keep the door closed 2 more years.  If she is a D1 level player (which is possible since she mentions playing in nationals) then some skip playing HS soccer and focus more on national club level teams.  Not all, and many in Indiana do not skip HS.  The best state clubs are in the Carmel/Westfield area (Indiana Fire and Indy Premier) and would be quite the distance from Btown.  There might be better options closer to Cincy or L'ville.  

Not saying he wont come but if his daughter is a sophomore, and wants to play club soccer Bloomington would require a lot of driving.  My daughter played club up in the Carmel area and a couple of her teammates drove up from Columbus for the 3 times a week practice.  

He wanted to try and make it seem like there wasn't legitimate interest on his part. He was in the middle of a season that was headed towards to playoffs and he's in Boston. You think IU fans are crazy. If Boston fans thought he might leave it would've been a blood bath lol. On the soccer thing. People drive an hour plus for club practices all the time. It happens. AAU basketball and travel baseball it's super common. If I was Dolson I'd guarantee her a spot on the IU soccer team too. 

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3 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

It also wouldn't be the first time a coach has said they're not leaving then left.

Just ask Saban

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41 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Just let Dolson and Tracy sit down and negotiate everything. We don't need Quinn, Wittman, Simon's, Ferguson, Pfau family in the room. 

They can get a deal done. Tracy would love to live in Bloomington. 

Bingo.  

Look at how Scott identified Cig, quickly built a relationship and trust with Cig, and closed the deal.  It seems the only other person who was brought in to play a role in the hiring process was Pam.  That's perfect, two people.  The donors are greatly appreciated, but they need to realize they're only good at the $ aspect and any further involvement is detrimental.   

Cig continues to reference Scott and also Pam as the reason he is here.  This is how things should work.

Thankfully Quinn didn't have any best pals that coach football.

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1 hour ago, Hoosier DaDa said:

There are no rules anymore. The NCAA is like a neutered dog.

The NCAA is definitely weakened but there are still rules -- regardless though that's not the point. It's what the U will do based on what it went through (partly it's own doing with Sampson) and all of the fallout.

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11 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Bingo.  

Look at how Scott identified Cig, quickly built a relationship and trust with Cig, and closed the deal.  It seems the only other person who was brought in to play a role in the hiring process was Pam.  That's perfect, two people.  The donors are greatly appreciated, but they need to realize they're only good at the $ aspect and any further involvement is detrimental.   

Cig continues to reference Scott and also Pam as the reason he is here.  This is how things should work.

Thankfully Quinn didn't have any best pals that coach football.

He was a stud football player, too, though. lol 

Smothered Chicken... derr derr derr

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32 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

My personal opinion was that they were sorta backing out of a verbal agreement so that's why they went were Massholes now.

Bloomington South has a really good soccer program. I think they got beat in the state championship this year. That might have been the boys but soccer is good here in Bloomington. The Cutters have a nice program I've always heard. 

South girls team was pretty good in 24 and if I recall correctly, they were not senior laden so they may be able to continue.  There is another club over near the SE side of Indy (FC Pride) that used to be the best club for girls but they were not as strong when my daughter was playing.  Things change pretty quick though with these clubs as the better coaches can bounce around some.  Unless something has changed, the Cutters are not at the level where kids that play there go on to play college soccer.  Indy Premier has an association with Greenwood, Columbus and that might still include Bloomington so all the good players from those areas left which is why the Cutters struggled.  I did check the drive and it would be about 1.5 hours from Btown to the Carmel facilities, so it is doable.  When my daughter played our drive was about an hour from our house and playing in Boston area may have been similar.  

 

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34 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Just ask Saban

IIRC Cal said Memphis is where he wanted to be then off to Kentucky while the words were still in the air.

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Checking into this thread to see a discussion about the daughter of Brad Stevens and why Bloomington club soccer could be a deterrent.  

We are so ******* back.

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6 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

South girls team was pretty good in 24 and if I recall correctly, they were not senior laden so they may be able to continue.  There is another club over near the SE side of Indy (FC Pride) that used to be the best club for girls but they were not as strong when my daughter was playing.  Things change pretty quick though with these clubs as the better coaches can bounce around some.  Unless something has changed, the Cutters are not at the level where kids that play there go on to play college soccer.  Indy Premier has an association with Greenwood, Columbus and that might still include Bloomington so all the good players from those areas left which is why the Cutters struggled.  I did check the drive and it would be about 1.5 hours from Btown to the Carmel facilities, so it is doable.  When my daughter played our drive was about an hour from our house and playing in Boston area may have been similar.  

 

To get Stevens we would let his daughter use the jet to go from Bloomington to Carmel. Of course I'm not in charge of that

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14 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

To get Stevens we would let his daughter use the jet to go from Bloomington to Carmel. Of course I'm not in charge of that

Better yet, use the jet to bring the Carmel club to Bloomington.

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16 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

To get Stevens we would let his daughter use the jet to go from Bloomington to Carmel. Of course I'm not in charge of that

We need to add a helicopter to our fleet for this...

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2 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

We need to add a helicopter to our fleet for this...

I'm sure Brad could afford one if he wanted or someone could lend him one lol

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2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Just let Dolson and Tracy sit down and negotiate everything. We don't need Quinn, Wittman, Simon's, Ferguson, Pfau family in the room. 

They can get a deal done. Tracy would love to live in Bloomington. 

To your last sentence, I had always heard she didn't want to live in Bloomington. Nothing close to the source, just mentioned in passing from people who seem (or seem to think) they know. 

Just curious if you've heard differently. 

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1 minute ago, ziggyiu said:

To your last sentence, I had always heard she didn't want to live in Bloomington. Nothing close to the source, just mentioned in passing from people who seem (or seem to think) they know. 

Just curious if you've heard differently. 

There definitely been women who didn't want to live in Bloomington. Pitino's wife was one. Calbert's wife doesn't live here. But I have never personally heard that about Tracy. 

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10 minutes ago, ziggyiu said:

To your last sentence, I had always heard she didn't want to live in Bloomington. Nothing close to the source, just mentioned in passing from people who seem (or seem to think) they know. 

Just curious if you've heard differently. 

Doesn't make a ton of sense to me. She'd live in Boston but not Bloomington. Idk that I buy that one.