Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[IUFootballHappyHappyJoyJoy 742]

1 minute ago, mdiu28 said:

I'm positive he shouldn't be our head coach much longer

In fairness, I've been stuck following the much inferior product in Indianapolis to notice what's going on in Bloomington. 

361st in the NET rankings and Crenshaw got the boot! 

[JF87 1,452]

4 minutes ago, IUFootballEndlessMisery said:

So... Any positivity for Woodson? 

For a man his age, I'm impressed his beard doesn't have any grey. 

[SamIam 646]

4 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Trust me if either school hires him they'll insist on a massive buyout should he leave for IU in the next 10 years.  If we want we have to move now.

It's a double edged sword. Schools want a big buyout to protect them from having a coach poached, but not too big that it would keep a school from moving on. Dusty's camp will try to maintain 100% of the value remaining on the contract for as long as they can to protect him financially.  AD's assume that new coaches will get 3-4 years anyway so they will probably agree to high buyout numbers in those years and a decreased buyout in yr 3/4, when they would be renegotiating a new contract anyway.

There's been a lot of talk about special clauses in contracts that allow coaches to leave for certain schools....I'm not convinced those actually exist. A lot of these contracts are public and I've never seen such a clause. Besides, why would a school agree to that? First time head coaches don't often have that kind of leverage. If there truly is a bidding war, Dusty will have more leverage than most, but why would he agree to limit his buyout and expose himself to more risk of the university moving on?

All that said, I think the buyout will be fairly standard for a first year head coach in the P5. I think his contract will be around 6 yrs, 3.5 Mill/year, with 100% buyout for years 1-3, decreasing in yr's 4,5, and 6. That would put the buyout number at at least 17.5 Million next year. Can we pay that? Will Dusty be any more "proven" next year than he is now to justify it? Who knows

[Chris007 43,919]

4 minutes ago, IUFootballEndlessMisery said:

So... Any positivity for Woodson? 

No he's done after tonight. With the season. 

[Chris007 43,919]

1 minute ago, JF87 said:

For a man his age, I'm impressed his beard doesn't have any grey. 

[Chris007 43,919]

3 minutes ago, SamIam said:

It's a double edged sword. Schools want a big buyout to protect them from having a coach poached, but not too big that it would keep a school from moving on. Dusty's camp will try to maintain 100% of the value remaining on the contract for as long as they can to protect him financially.  AD's assume that new coaches will get 3-4 years anyway so they will probably agree to high buyout numbers in those years and a decreased buyout in yr 3/4, when they would be renegotiating a new contract anyway.

There's been a lot of talk about special clauses in contracts that allow coaches to leave for certain schools....I'm not convinced those actually exist. A lot of these contracts are public and I've never seen such a clause. Besides, why would a school agree to that? First time head coaches don't often have that kind of leverage. If there truly is a bidding war, Dusty will have more leverage than most, but why would he agree to limit his buyout and expose himself to more risk of the university moving on?

All that said, I think the buyout will be fairly standard for a first year head coach in the P5. I think his contract will be around 6 yrs, 3.5 Mill/year, with 100% buyout for years 1-3, decreasing in yr's 4,5, and 6. That would put the buyout number at at least 17.5 Million next year. Can we pay that? Will Dusty be any more "proven" next year than he is now to justify it? Who knows

Or move this year. Buy Woody out for 12 million but over 12 years. 1 million to FAU for Dusty and Pay him 3.5 a year like you said which means were saving a million a year from Woodson which pays for his buyout. All done.

[Hoosier DaDa 2,421]

36 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Trust me if either school hires him they'll insist on a massive buyout should he leave for IU in the next 10 years.  If we want we have to move now.

So his first contract will be 10 years?  Does anyone get a 10 year contract right off the bat? 

[J34 1,484]

2 hours ago, JF87 said:

Apologies if this has been posted, but I thought it was relevant since we have complained about our lack of three-point shooting all year.  Bill Self after KU lost last night.  Good coaches get it.  

“The bottom line is, we need to be able to make six or seven threes,” Self said, via Winton. “When you get outscored 15 to 30 points every game from beyond the arc, that’s a lot of twos, you just don’t have enough opportunities to make those up.”

I believe he was speaking directly to Liam, to let him know they need shooters.

[SamIam 646]

Just now, Chris007 said:

Or move this year. Buy Woody out for 12 million but over 12 years. 1 million to FAU for Dusty and Pay him 3.5 a year like you said which means were saving a million a year from Woodson which pays for his buyout. All done.

Yep, makes too much financial sense but I've been beating that drum for months now. Plus due to the nature of Woody's buyout, he would likely negotiate down to an unqualified lump payment of around 4-6 million. You save so much money acting now it's stupid, and if it ends up being OSU, you have to fork over almost 20 million to a conference rival.

Good thing Buckner (and a good amount of posters on this board) believe IU is above hiring Dusty! While we search for a "proven" guy, every other school in the country will be finding actually good coaches because they don't impose stupid hiring limitations on themselves. 

[steubenhoosier 874]

15 minutes ago, IUFootballEndlessMisery said:

In fairness, I've been stuck following the much inferior product in Indianapolis to notice what's going on in Bloomington. 

361st in the NET rankings and Crenshaw got the boot! 

Is your icon Chucky Hepburn?

[IUFootballHappyHappyJoyJoy 742]

Just now, JF87 said:

For a man his age, I'm impressed his beard doesn't have any grey. 

To be fair, Just For Men does exist. 

[kottke 766]

21 minutes ago, IUFootballEndlessMisery said:

So... Any positivity for Woodson? 

I think you are lost sir.

What you are looking for is here:

 

[Hoosier DaDa 2,421]

27 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Nevada vs FAU to get to a final four

Also if IU misses the tourney? Is our boosters paying off the committee too?

Don't you know IU is finally going to win the BTT ;) because our true fans are going to show out in Minneapolis.

[Chris007 43,919]

25 minutes into the game and TCU has 15 points. 

[Hoosier DaDa 2,421]

21 minutes ago, JF87 said:

For a man his age, I'm impressed his beard doesn't have any grey. 

[JF87 1,452]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

25 minutes into the game and TCU has 15 points. 

So, Jamie Dixon would be a no. 

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22 minutes ago, J34 said:

I believe he was speaking directly to Liam, to let him know they need shooters.

I'll be stunned if McNeely ends up anywhere other than KU.

[OKHOOSIER 2,218]

27 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Do Woody and Ryan Day have the same agent and sponsorship deals?? People are asking!

[JF87 1,452]

1 minute ago, pumpfake said:

I'll be stunned if McNeely ends up anywhere other than KU.

KU's small forward Furphy is now a 1st round pick.  Liam will slide into his starting role next year. 

[rcbowla 7,092]

26 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Or move this year. Buy Woody out for 12 million but over 12 years. 1 million to FAU for Dusty and Pay him 3.5 a year like you said which means were saving a million a year from Woodson which pays for his buyout. All done.

Chris this just makes too much sense. Let's remember who we are talking about here.