Coach Curt Cignetti to INDIANA

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1 hour ago, Lebowski said:

There's been six coaches after Mallory and Cam's win loss record is ranked 5th out of 6.

4th actually. Better than DiNardo and Wilson. His Big Ten Win% ranks 2nd at .300. Tom Allen is the only guy ahead of him there. So again, Cameron is one of the better coaches we've had. Which isn't a good thing. But it show how much we've sucked.

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37 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Come on, man. You were ranting yesterday about coaches that aren't any good because their resume at IU says they aren't and you trot out the guy that couldn't get a top-2 player in the history of the program to a single bowl game?

That's why I added the last sentence.

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9 minutes ago, Josh said:

Antwaan Randle-El, Zora Clevenger, George Taliaferro, Pete Pihos, Anthony Thompson...who's your top two?

The runner up to the Heisman and Antwaan. No disrespect to anyone.

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8 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

4th actually. Better than DiNardo and Wilson. His Big Ten Win% ranks 2nd at .300. Tom Allen is the only guy ahead of him there. So again, Cameron is one of the better coaches we've had. Which isn't a good thing. But it show how much we've sucked.

I think the key here is the last sentence. IU needs to be able to beat Rutgers, Maryland and PU every other year if not more otherwise we're no better now than we've ever been. Staying close to the big boys is great and all, but if you can't beat the others, you're screwed every year. MSU will be good again sooner than later. But the schedules are going to be way different now, but IU will get hosed per usual. With or without divisions, the BIG will saddle us with the big boys to make sure they have good conference records. 

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12 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

4th actually. Better than DiNardo and Wilson. His Big Ten Win% ranks 2nd at .300. Tom Allen is the only guy ahead of him there. So again, Cameron is one of the better coaches we've had. Which isn't a good thing. But it show how much we've sucked.

Coaches win percentage and win-loss record after Bill Mallory .473 [69-77-3]

1. Tom Allen .417 [33-46]
2. Terry Hoeppner .391 [9-14]
3. Bill Lynch .388 [19-30]
4. Kevin Wilson .361 [26-46]
5. Cam Cameron .327 [18-37]
6. Gerry DiNardo .229 [9-14]

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1 minute ago, Lebowski said:

Coaches win percentage and win-loss record after Bill Mallory .473 [69-77-3]

 

1. Tom Allen .417 [33-46]
2. Terry Hoeppner .391 [9-14]
3. Bill Lynch .388 [19-30]
4. Kevin Wilson .361 [26-46]
5. Cam Cameron .327 [18-37]
6. Gerry DiNardo .229 [9-14]

 

Wilson only has a win% of 32.1.

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1 minute ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Wilson only has a win% of 32.1.

Think your chart is missing a season of Wilson. 2011-2016 is 6 years.

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3 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Wilson only has a win% of 32.1.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Wilson_(American_football)

Regardless, Cam still not in the top 3. 

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Just now, Hovadipo said:

Think your chart is missing a season of Wilson. 2011-2016 is 6 years.

Blame the peeps at Wiki. It is easy stuff to change I guess. I mean I used to go in and make Indiana the SEC East champs for 2014.

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1 minute ago, Lebowski said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Wilson_(American_football)

Regardless, Cam still not in the top 3. 

Definitely not Top 3 in overall. Either way. But still #2 in Big Ten win%. Which is a little more important imo. Neither were necessarily good by any means. Though Wilson did have something building it seemed.

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On 11/3/2023 at 2:23 PM, Hovadipo said:

Lewis got "benched" today for Pat Shurmur...? It has to be to allow him to start job searching as opposed to a performance thing, because if it's the latter...yikes.

Sounded like performance based on the reports I read. The recent press conference certainly didn't exactly give Lewis a ringing endorsement, either

[Josh 12,783]

1 hour ago, Hovadipo said:

The runner up to the Heisman and Antwaan. No disrespect to anyone.

I'm offended.  You youngsters ain't know your history

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@Lebowski, is your argument that IU has historically sucked so we can't do better than Tom Allen? That we should be satisfied with Allen as coach because even though he has a terrible record and fields a terrible team, he's the best of the bad by win percentage? That seems to be what you're arguing so if it's not, I'm not getting what you're saying.

 

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28 minutes ago, Josh said:

I'm offended.  You youngsters ain't know your history

I’m well aware of all listed and what they accomplished and especially what George did for the sport/society. That being said, my team’s on the floor. 

 

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14 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

I’m well aware of all listed and what they accomplished and especially what George did for the sport/society. That being said, my team’s on the floor. 

 

Your team ain't played in a quarter century!  Pete Pihos is a 3 time First Team All American

Hopefully I'm not going too far from *whatever this thread is intended to be*

Your list is poopy

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3 minutes ago, Josh said:

Your team ain't played in a quarter century!  Pete Pihos is a 3 time First Team All American

Hopefully I'm not going too far from *whatever this thread is intended to be*

Your list is poopy

My parents weren’t alive when your team played. I don’t feel the need to defend AT and won’t dump on a player as decorated as Pihos, so I’ll say that my team is more dynamic than yours. Feel free to go back and look at your team’s morse code box scores, I’ll watch mine on the fancy color TV. 
 

*no one cares about derailed football threads…we’re a swim/dive school*

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59 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

My parents weren’t alive when your team played. I don’t feel the need to defend AT and won’t dump on a player as decorated as Pihos, so I’ll say that my team is more dynamic than yours. Feel free to go back and look at your team’s morse code box scores, I’ll watch mine on the fancy color TV. 
 

*no one cares about derailed football threads…we’re a swim/dive school*

When you said your team was on the floor I translated it into your team currently plays.  So ignore my retort.

Now I'll just change my reply to: SHUT UP!  DUMMY.

Pete Pihos is the goat

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16 hours ago, go iu bb said:

@Lebowski, is your argument that IU has historically sucked so we can't do better than Tom Allen? That we should be satisfied with Allen as coach because even though he has a terrible record and fields a terrible team, he's the best of the bad by win percentage? That seems to be what you're arguing so if it's not, I'm not getting what you're saying.

 

I don't think I'm arguing per se. If I'm coming off that way, my apologies. My point I've been trying to push is that IUFB isn't a program that a lot of people on here think it is and Tom Allen actually isn't as bad as folks think he is, historically speaking in the grand scheme of things. I am absolutely NOT saying "we should just be satisfied" with any of this. I just know IUFB has always been where it is for 136 years and we fans should keep that in perspective when having these conversations. Trying to have this kind of understanding helps me look at the overall picture with the state of affairs. It helps me realize that over half the coaches we fans would like to lead IUFB probably isn't going to happen. It helps me stay grounded so to speak. It lets me understand that the next HC for IUFB will probably have the same type of struggle the 30 other HCs had prior to him. 

Coaches have a window/lifespan and CTA is no different. If progress isn't happening and jobs are not up to the expectations then he should go. As of right now, I'm leaning he should be let go. Which is too bad because that would mean we just fired the 10th most winningest coach in IUFB's history. A coach that showed so much potential and had it worked out and had a winning percentage, not going anywhere because he considers coaching IUFB his dream job. I will however change my mind if IUFB goes bowling. Because that shows, for me at least, he met expectations of his job and showed progress. Finishing .500, again, for me at least, is an accomplishment and I'm happy with that. Tiny steps for me with this program. Finding a coach that constantly does this and wants to stay at IUFB is a unicorn, but a man can dream that unicorns exist. 

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50% football is satisfactory.  That would be overall regular season records on average at 6 and 6.  Some years more wins and some years less wins….and that’s significant improvement. over the average of 5.04 wins in the IU football history.  Top solid programs after the elite football programs only average in the rough estimate range 6.75 to 7.25 wins per year.  
Regular season is only 12 games.  There are only so many wins to go around each season.  
 

Regardless of slow learning coaching process and mistakes probably costing a win this season (maybe even 2) in a game….

No way IU should fire a football coach if a 4 game win streak happens regardless of quality that equals a 6 and 6 record going to the hoopla bowl game.

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1 hour ago, Lebowski said:

I don't think I'm arguing per se. If I'm coming off that way, my apologies. My point I've been trying to push is that IUFB isn't a program that a lot of people on here think it is and Tom Allen actually isn't as bad as folks think he is, historically speaking in the grand scheme of things. I am absolutely NOT saying "we should just be satisfied" with any of this. I just know IUFB has always been where it is for 136 years and we fans should keep that in perspective when having these conversations. Trying to have this kind of understanding helps me look at the overall picture with the state of affairs. It helps me realize that over half the coaches we fans would like to lead IUFB probably isn't going to happen. It helps me stay grounded so to speak. It lets me understand that the next HC for IUFB will probably have the same type of struggle the 30 other HCs had prior to him. 

Coaches have a window/lifespan and CTA is no different. If progress isn't happening and jobs are not up to the expectations then he should go. As of right now, I'm leaning he should be let go. Which is too bad because that would mean we just fired the 10th most winningest coach in IUFB's history. A coach that showed so much potential and had it worked out and had a winning percentage, not going anywhere because he considers coaching IUFB his dream job. I will however change my mind if IUFB goes bowling. Because that shows, for me at least, he met expectations of his job and showed progress. Finishing .500, again, for me at least, is an accomplishment and I'm happy with that. Tiny steps for me with this program. Finding a coach that constantly does this and wants to stay at IUFB is a unicorn, but a man can dream that unicorns exist. 

Not overly happy with it but will take it and not sad or depressed about it.