Coach Curt Cignetti to INDIANA... Forever and Ever, Amen!

[Golfman25]

1 minute ago, Hoosierinbham said:

I love the passion you guys have for IU football on this board.  Just throwing out random names to discuss is fun. I might be Charlie Brown, but I feel like this time COULD be different.  Power 5 has really turned into the Big 2 (B1G & SEC).

Some coaches may just want a place at the table in one of the 2 mega conferences.  NIL and the transfer portal also give a new coach a better opportunity to reimagine the program faster without waiting years to build relationships and for their recruits to develop. A name like Dan Mullen (I personally want an offense guru) might consider us that would've laughed before. Who knows,  might just be wishful thinking.

I know nothing about this particular guy.  But the problem with an offensive or defensive "guru" (or even focused) is they tend to be one dimensional.  I want a football guru.  A guy who has the ability to adjust whatever his "guruness" is to the talent he has at the time.  Take a guy like Belichick.  "Defensive" guy who ended up managing one of the best QBs to play the game. 

[Rico]

Clay Helton?  Anyone?

[Hoosierinbham]

4 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

I know nothing about this particular guy.  But the problem with an offensive or defensive "guru" (or even focused) is they tend to be one dimensional.  I want a football guru.  A guy who has the ability to adjust whatever his "guruness" is to the talent he has at the time.  Take a guy like Belichick.  "Defensive" guy who ended up managing one of the best QBs to play the game. 

Great point. A coach can't be one dimensional.  CTA probably falls into that category. Mullen is an offensive guru that had some solid defenses at Miss St. and Florida. Your point is spot on that you want a guy that asks himself what type of offense/defense gives his specialty (offense/defense) fits. We definitely need someone that has a vision for the entire program.

[Hoosierinbham]

4 minutes ago, Rico said:

Clay Helton?  Anyone?

Don't know much about his offensive style, but he would definitely be worth looking at. Didn't realize he is at Georgia Southern.

[Rico]

23 minutes ago, Hoosierinbham said:

Don't know much about his offensive style, but he would definitely be worth looking at. Didn't realize he is at Georgia Southern.

I can't remember myself as I am getting old.  But Clay was hired at USC by Lane Kiffin.  And yep from USC to Georgia Southern.  But I am sure the 'big' schools are gonna come a knockin' soon for him.

[IndyResident16]

1 hour ago, Rico said:

Clay Helton?  Anyone?

I'd say is brother Tyson is probably in line for a bigger gig before him. 

[Rico]

56 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

I'd say is brother Tyson is probably in line for a bigger gig before him. 

[Lebowski]

I know I've already mentioned this but I can't emphasize this enough, we're talking IUFB here. Most of the coaches being discussed here probably aren't interested in coaching here. Even the coaches I've mentioned. It's unfortunate but that's just the reality of IUFB. It's been that way for its entire existence. That's also a reason I don't want to hire an IUFB guy. I'd feel different about it if our program was a little more stable and prestigious, LOL. I'd prefer we go a different route and hire an established coach with program building. But finding that type of coach that wants to coach here will be a giant up hill battle. 

We also don't have any confirmation or indication that IUFB will be searching for a new HC to lead next season. But if it does happen, Dolson will have his hands full trying to sell the program to potential candidates because not only is Dolson conducting the interviews but the interviewee is also interviewing him. An established program building coach will know right away if it's even worth his time. And I'm not sure Dolson is all in on IUFB. The most enticing carrot Dolson can hang is the conference this historically bad program plays in is a pretty big deal. 

[spe317]

14 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

I know I've already mentioned this but I can't emphasize this enough, we're talking IUFB here. Most of the coaches being discussed here probably aren't interested in coaching here. Even the coaches I've mentioned. It's unfortunate but that's just the reality of IUFB. It's been that way for its entire existence. That's also a reason I don't want to hire an IUFB guy. I'd feel different about it if our program was a little more stable and prestigious, LOL. I'd prefer we go a different route and hire an established coach with program building. But finding that type of coach that wants to coach here will be a giant up hill battle. 

We also don't have any confirmation or indication that IUFB will be searching for a new HC to lead next season. But if it does happen, Dolson will have his hands full trying to sell the program to potential candidates because not only is Dolson conducting the interviews but the interviewee is also interviewing him. An established program building coach will know right away if it's even worth his time. And I'm not sure Dolson is all in on IUFB. The most enticing carrot Dolson can hang is the conference this historically bad program plays in is a pretty big deal. 

I will say the benefit to finding a coach coming to Iufb is the situation is vastly different than basketball. Some coaches may be hesitant because expectations are high for basketball ie firing CTC after being barely removed from a B10 championship. Whereas football, EVERY SINGLE PERSON with eyeballs sees the current product and situation and recognizes the dumpster fire. 
 

Success for an IU football coach is not abusing players, having drunk run-ins with RAs,  and going to the Preparation H bowl every other year. 

[Golfman25]

20 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

I know I've already mentioned this but I can't emphasize this enough, we're talking IUFB here. Most of the coaches being discussed here probably aren't interested in coaching here. Even the coaches I've mentioned. It's unfortunate but that's just the reality of IUFB. It's been that way for its entire existence. That's also a reason I don't want to hire an IUFB guy. I'd feel different about it if our program was a little more stable and prestigious, LOL. I'd prefer we go a different route and hire an established coach with program building. But finding that type of coach that wants to coach here will be a giant up hill battle. 

We also don't have any confirmation or indication that IUFB will be searching for a new HC to lead next season. But if it does happen, Dolson will have his hands full trying to sell the program to potential candidates because not only is Dolson conducting the interviews but the interviewee is also interviewing him. An established program building coach will know right away if it's even worth his time. And I'm not sure Dolson is all in on IUFB. The most enticing carrot Dolson can hang is the conference this historically bad program plays in is a pretty big deal. 

That's why you have to take a hard look at a guy like Pat Fitzgerald.  Yes there is "baggage" (depending on your perspective).  But he's had success at a less than stellar program.  And may have a little red a$$ in him for what went down at NW -- has something to prove.  And he's under 50.  

Otherwise your looking at some smaller school up and comer or an assistant somewhere -- with no record in the big time.  

[CSP]

1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

That's why you have to take a hard look at a guy like Pat Fitzgerald.  Yes there is "baggage" (depending on your perspective).  But he's had success at a less than stellar program.  And may have a little red a$$ in him for what went down at NW -- has something to prove.  And he's under 50.  

Otherwise your looking at some smaller school up and comer or an assistant somewhere -- with no record in the big time.  

I'd hire PF tomorrow. 

[Lebowski]

10 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

That's why you have to take a hard look at a guy like Pat Fitzgerald.  Yes there is "baggage" (depending on your perspective).  But he's had success at a less than stellar program.  And may have a little red a$$ in him for what went down at NW -- has something to prove.  And he's under 50.  

Otherwise your looking at some smaller school up and comer or an assistant somewhere -- with no record in the big time.  

Here's the thing though, assuming Fitz would even entertain coaching IUFB (because it's a two-way street of interest in the job and NW has had far more success than IU), how well does Dolson do with Fitz's interview?

I think realistically we might actually be looking at some smaller school up and comer or assistant elsewhere.

IUFB is what it is. I'd be shocked if someone like Fitz would be interested in coaching here. 

[OGIUAndy]

2 hours ago, btownqb said:

I'd hire PF tomorrow. 

Would he dare go to another Big Ten school? That would be really wild. I would he gets a call although his momentum at NW was slowing down. 

[OGIUAndy]

8 hours ago, TTT said:

Every thing is focused on coaching.  IU football will not sustain long term 500 football under current structure of big ten conference.

There are many major conference teams that have fairly solid programs with marginal winning records that would not have winning or even 500 win percentage if they were in the same conference structure that IU has traditionally and currently been in.

Agree with this. Conferences don't mean anything anymore. Sooner or later OSU and Michigan are going want to split the revenue, so eventually something will have to change. People joking around about IU getting "kicked out" of the Big Ten might not be that far off. 

[Lebowski]

18 hours ago, OGIUAndy said:

Agree with this. Conferences don't mean anything anymore. Sooner or later OSU and Michigan are going want to split the revenue, so eventually something will have to change. People joking around about IU getting "kicked out" of the Big Ten might not be that far off. 

I foresee college football cutting ties with conferences and creating their own 'league' or something. And IU probably won't be involved with that league.  

Conferences means a lot in other sports, the Big East is a great example.

[IUFootballHappyHappyJoyJoy]

11 hours ago, Lebowski said:

I foresee college football cutting ties with conferences and creating their own 'league' or something. And IU probably won't be involved with that league.  

Conferences means a lot in other sports, the Big East is a great example.

Probably?  More like definitely. 

[Josh]

21 hours ago, Lebowski said:

I foresee college football cutting ties with conferences and creating their own 'league' or something. And IU probably won't be involved with that league.  

Conferences means a lot in other sports, the Big East is a great example.

It'll be great for us!  We won't have to compete with Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State anymore.  We'll be able to dominate the Akrons of the sport

[Lebowski]

Assuming CTA isn't coming back next season here's a list of coaches that I would hope Dolson at least calls. 

Shawn Clark
Jason Candle
Jeff Traylor
Jeff Tedford
Craig Bohl
Curt Cignetti
Tom Herman

All of these coaches might not (probably won't) even answer the phone call but Dolson would be foolish to not at least attempt conversations. I would feel good about any one of these coaches leading IUFB next season and it would tell me that Dolson is taking the program seriously. I'm also of the opinion that hiring any one of these coaches is no guarantees. Heck, IUFB could hire Belichick or Lombardi and still have sub par seasons. The program itself is what it is. 


 

[Scotty R]

Do people actually think we will fire Allan after this season.  I hope they do but I just don't think enough donors will care enough to give 20 mil for the buyout 

[Stuhoo]

21 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Do people actually think we will fire Allan after this season.  I hope they do but I just don't think enough donors will care enough to give 20 mil for the buyout 

Yes, absent an unlikely winning streak to end the season I do. And the actuarial cost of the buyout will not be anywhere near $20 million.