*RANT HERE*

[JSHoosier 19,826]

32 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Would be real nice to secure DQ and a big time PG. so even if we are down this year we can see that his recruiting strategy is paying off. 

I want Queen, especially after missing Fland, my question is how the lineup works out. Reneau isn't a 4 and unless he makes a big jump to play more outside I don't like the idea of those 2 playing the 4 and 5. 

We definitely need more guards and shooting. 

[Golfman25 5,004]

1 hour ago, rcs29 said:

Do they play down to the competition or are they just closer to these mid major teams than we'd like to think? 2 big OOC games away from home we got destroyed like a mid major would.

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They are somewhere in between.  We are not as good, overall talent wise, as the Aurburn/Uconn/Kansas.  But we did hang with each team at points.  But we are nowhere near as bad as beating Moorehead state by only 1 point.  Our talent is significantly better -- as shown by our ability to turn it on the last 5-6 minutes.  That's mental.  

 

[8bucks 6,347]

1 hour ago, JSHoosier said:

I want Queen, especially after missing Fland, my question is how the lineup works out. Reneau isn't a 4 and unless he makes a big jump to play more outside I don't like the idea of those 2 playing the 4 and 5. 

We definitely need more guards and shooting. 

I think a very high guard or two is the key. Scoring guards.  Guys that are dangerous from outside and on the drive.  Guys that want to play defense as well. Hopefully Liam is a legit shooter but we still need a high end guard 

[JSHoosier 19,826]

1 minute ago, 8bucks said:

I think a very high guard or two is the key. Scoring guards.  Guys that are dangerous from outside and on the drive.  Guys that want to play defense as well. Hopefully Liam is a legit shooter but we still need a high end guard 

McNeeley has a good looking shot and repeatable stroke. I'm kind of concerned how big of an impact his shooting will have since the 3 isn't a big part of our offense and after Morehead Woodosn said we shoot enough 3s.

[Bowhunter 2,693]

I’m concerned with guys like Gunn and Banks and Sparks.  Those three should be playing better by now. Walker filling his role , probably exceeding it. We need more help with Xavier out. 

[Dave from Dayton 2,964]

I really hate getting new clothes, especially pants, that have this thread that sticks out and you pull it and it keeps coming and then it can snag or is attached to a part that doesn't seem to have any use so you pull and pull and then you notice that maybe a pocket is coming unravelled or maybe it is along an seam on your new blue jeans and then the seam sticks out and then you can't fix it or don't want the item anymore or if it is the right blue jeans and maybe it will be ok but it isn't...what?  Rant thread?

Oh, I thought this was about pant thread...

[Alford Bailey 12,350]

I’m ticked people aren’t paying attention to TJD!

[JSHoosier 19,826]

[Hornsby 1,651]

People need to realize program building takes time. Every time you fire and hire somebody new the process starts over again. We're not Kansas, UNC, or Kentucky and that's just reality, even if we like to compare ourselves to them. The program was gutted, then gutted again. The thing this program needs more than anything is stability and a foundation. It's hard. I understand fans are impatient but a coaching carousel only delays good fortune. No matter who the coach is, it takes time to build a base and to get stuff really rolling, and I know people don't want to hear it but again it's reality. Here's a few examples of coaches, all who have been called sure fire winners in this thread, brought in to build programs before they started to get things rolling. Will Woody ever win a national championship? Hell I don't know, but he's gotta have the time to be able to do it. We need to get old and stay old and we can't do that by giving up on coaches, giving up on sophomores and giving up on teams in December. 

This isn't a crean rebuild would say Woodson started with a very good foundation. He was left with TJD for one.

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[JSHoosier 19,826]

4 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

This isn't a crean rebuild would say Woodson started with a very good foundation. He was left with TJD for one.

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And you don't hire someone Woodson's age for that kind of rebuild.

[Chris007 43,567]

My rant is I'm off of work for the rest of the year. I'm heading to a Christmas party at Nicks from 6-10 if anyone wants to buy me a beer.

Hope everyone has a safe and beautiful Christmas. We might not agree on everything but you all are good people. Happy Holidays and Go Hoosiers.

 

[8bucks 6,347]

12 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

My rant is I'm off of work for the rest of the year. I'm heading to a Christmas party at Nicks from 6-10 if anyone wants to buy me a beer.

Hope everyone has a safe and beautiful Christmas. We might not agree on everything but you all are good people. Happy Holidays and Go Hoosiers.

 

Off as well but having second thoughts of leaving the Florida (current view) warmth for Indiana. First grandchild was just born last week so I guess that trumps weather 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 83,941]

1 hour ago, 8bucks said:

. First grandchild was just born last week so I guess that trumps weather 

Congratulations Gramps.  Enjoy every moment you can.  

[Golfman25 5,004]

12 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

I read back over all the replies on my - cool, you want Woody out, who you getting question. As expected, no real options. Thought for sure some of the most vocal would have 1 or 2 real names. As Chris said, I have my feelings as well on this growing slamming of him and where it is rooted. The results just give it a forum.

Few said - most are not calling for firing - yeah, many are. Daily on here. I won’t call them out but they do it daily and have no options. That is pointless unless you have some real solutions to offer. 

You and everyone can be frustrated but firing Woody anytime soon is just ludicrous. There is no good options.

Those same posters will then say “let us know when we can be concerned” - uh… we all are. Difference is, many of us know that saying Woody sucks, and needs to be fired, is pointless. That we need to look at where we can and maybe will improve this year, into next year etc. Seems at least more productive conversation at minimum.

You may also find, if you are willing to allow your mind to go there, there is real room for optimism still.  There is plenty to show it takes longer than 2.33 years. That playing 2 freshman and 2 soph. without their 6th year PG is a big deal. That recruiting is not as bad as you feel and more will be committing soon. That maybe we get the opposite this year. Instead of a guy leaving early that wasn’t expected, we get a guy back we didn’t expect. 
 

There is also the reality that this year is far from over and X is back soon. Even the biggest X critic could not watch Cupps last night and not realize he is a major boost for what this team needs. He is their leader. It makes a big difference. 

Too long to read.  But, Fire Mike Woodson.  If you ask me who to get instead, lets try Brad from the FIJI house.  :)   

[coonhounds 8,787]

I read back over all the replies on my - cool, you want Woody out, who you getting question. As expected, no real options. Thought for sure some of the most vocal would have 1 or 2 real names. As Chris said, I have my feelings as well on this growing slamming of him and where it is rooted. The results just give it a forum.
Few said - most are not calling for firing - yeah, many are. Daily on here. I won’t call them out but they do it daily and have no options. That is pointless unless you have some real solutions to offer. 
You and everyone can be frustrated but firing Woody anytime soon is just ludicrous. There is no good options.
Those same posters will then say “let us know when we can be concerned” - uh… we all are. Difference is, many of us know that saying Woody sucks, and needs to be fired, is pointless. That we need to look at where we can and maybe will improve this year, into next year etc. Seems at least more productive conversation at minimum.
You may also find, if you are willing to allow your mind to go there, there is real room for optimism still.  There is plenty to show it takes longer than 2.33 years. That playing 2 freshman and 2 soph. without their 6th year PG is a big deal. That recruiting is not as bad as you feel and more will be committing soon. That maybe we get the opposite this year. Instead of a guy leaving early that wasn’t expected, we get a guy back we didn’t expect. 
 
There is also the reality that this year is far from over and X is back soon. Even the biggest X critic could not watch Cupps last night and not realize he is a major boost for what this team needs. He is their leader. It makes a big difference. 

Nobody on here calls for firing Woodson daily. To say that people are and should be concerned is fair. I think everyone hopes Woodson does enough right to keep the program on a upward trend and helps make a smooth transition to another coach. I am hoping he don't tank the program and have to be fired and we start from scratch again.

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[Home Jersey 6,598]

It's been 11 games. Everyone generally sees Woody as a bridge guy to make us more attractive to the next guy. Show off the resources available, get to the tournament consistently, etc. If Woody gets fired, it means the program is failing and not an attractive destination. Those who say "It's clear Woody is not the guy" .... I think you will find most people agree with you, if you're saying he's not the guy who is going to actually bring us back to winning championships. He is the guy we're going with to make us more appealing to "the" guy. 

You may say, if he's not "the" guy, why waste time and go try to find him. That's how programs really flounder - no continuity. You may say we've had too much continuity/stability. That may be fair. It does not negate that to fire Woody would be to almost certainly take another Archie-esque gamble.

You want Dusty? Shrews? Any "proven winner" you dub the next big thing... they're not coming here if the program is not in a good place. We need Woody to succeed here for that reason alone, if nothing else (there's a lot else too). 

If they don't make the tournament, would people want Woody fired? That guarantees we are on poor footing when making the next hire. It would also be an asinine thing to do to a program legend - after 2 NCAAT appearances when we hadn't been in years - who came back here when he didn't have to... But because he loves IU. Is that not worth rooting for in itself? Yes we can all be frustrated with poor play, but at 8-3, why after 11 games are some so trigger happy? 

Now... Woody's contract is one thing... What shape the program is in after next season, is another. 

But if anyone is rooting for Woody to be gone after this year, enjoy your belly aching for the next year and half minimum, because he's 99% going to be here at least through next season. We can all have our gripes about how he coaches - I certainly do! No coach is perfect.

"Woody is not the guy" ... if you want to see IU land "the guy" in this lifetime, cheer for Woody and this team to figure things out! ...

They clearly need fans like us screaming our butts off to will them to a victory sometimes lol. And ... hope that the transition plan Dolson is working on in the background is executed as seemingly well as the football hire was. If you don't like watching in the meanwhile, sorry.

This is a message board and the entire point is to share your point of view/voice your frustration. Not interested in back and forth's, just saying my piece on the drama of the moment then moving on lol. We are in the rant thread after all. 

[Uspshoosier 45,047]

1 hour ago, Ngw7183 said:

Not going back and forth. People can say whatever they want but yes, it has been called out daily by 4/5 posters.  I don’t think it needs quote replied for each and not going to take the time. 

Those same ones can’t name a single coach replacement that is realistic and guaranteed better. Said all this prior and not going to right another novel. 

Nothing is guaranteed.   Name whoever you think the most successful coach is in today’s game and if he left to go to IU he isn’t guaranteed to win at IU.    Woody has already done more at IU than I thought he would do.   Can’t speak for anyone else but the fact he had 0 college coaching experience before taking over was and still is a red flag for me.   I undervalued his NBA connections that would resonate with recruits.  However I personally would feel way more comfortable if IU had a coach that grinded his way through the college basketball scene.  Black, White, Green or Blue.  Head coach,  a coach that had been an assistant his whole life.  Nobody is a guaranteed success but give me a college basketball lifer.  Just my opinion.   Having said all of that I’m behind Woody until he isn’t here.   Firing or wanting to fire a coach after year 3 after bringing a program back to the ncaa tourney after 6 or 7 years is just ridiculous.  The program has a whole had not had a winning conference record for a very long time until last year and some want to burn it down.   That’s not going to happen but people are entitled to post however they feel about it.    

[HoosierHoopster 6,811]

This thread is driving me to 

 

 

[Golfman25 5,004]

4 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Nothing is guaranteed.   Name whoever you think the most successful coach is in today’s game and if he left to go to IU he isn’t guaranteed to win at IU.    Woody has already done more at IU than I thought he would do.   Can’t speak for anyone else but the fact he had 0 college coaching experience before taking over was and still is a red flag for me.   I undervalued his NBA connections that would resonate with recruits.  However I personally would feel way more comfortable if IU had a coach that grinded his way through the college basketball scene.  Black, White, Green or Blue.  Head coach,  a coach that had been an assistant his whole life.  Nobody is a guaranteed success but give me a college basketball lifer.  Just my opinion.   Having said all of that I’m behind Woody until he isn’t here.   Firing or wanting to fire a coach after year 3 after bringing a program back to the ncaa tourney after 6 or 7 years is just ridiculous.  The program has a whole had not had a winning conference record for a very long time until last year and some want to burn it down.   That’s not going to happen but people are entitled to post however they feel about it.    

I don't know that you need a college guy, or should avoid an NBA guy or what.  What you do need is a guy that is going to adapt.  I am not sure that Woody is really doing that.  I think he's trying to get a square NBA peg into a round college hole.  Thus the "hockey" subs.  Would be nice to see him adapt some of his NBA stuff to be more college friendly.  

[HoosierHoopster 6,811]

1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

I don't know that you need a college guy, or should avoid an NBA guy or what.  What you do need is a guy that is going to adapt.  I am not sure that Woody is really doing that.  I think he's trying to get a square NBA peg into a round college hole.  Thus the "hockey" subs.  Would be nice to see him adapt some of his NBA stuff to be more college friendly.  

People used to complain about Crean’s subbing, kind of weird to see Woody continuing the multiple player subbing this far in, and I am one who thinks he needs to work on his stubbornness and adapt better. But, we’ve already seen him turn around a game this season by switching to zone in the 2nd, and he / staff generally seem to be using guys off the bench a bit better (hockey subs notwithstanding). I’m waiting to see how we look and how we’re playing and with whom when X is healthy