Goodman on the Hoosier Hysterics Podcast

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4 hours ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

IU self reported… There’s been a few podcasts that detail IU wanted to fire him and not pay his buyout and IU thought that they could go out and get anyone they wanted. Ended up blowing up in their face. 
 

We need to start playing the likes of Gonzaga, Duke, UNC, Texas, Kansas, Arizona, and others if we want to be a top program. Our best/toughest game o our schedule can’t be against Purdue 
 

UK scared to play us? I believe they offered to play a neutral series and Glass kept saying no. Glass wanted home and home or bust…. I don’t care if UK wants to play on the moon, those games are so much fun. Make it happen 

you think it’s a total Crock that Stevens would have came to IU? This is before going to Boston… name your source if you firmly believe it’s a crock 

how is this a strange post? The podcast came out today, they asked one of the top CBB writers his take on IU and if Woodson was able to bring us back to where we want…. Reasons were things like facilities, admin not spending any money, this smug attitude etc… my question was can a coach fix everything, or is it on the admin to do so? 

The strangest take is that you consider Goodman to be one of the top basketball writers.  He’s a troll with a keyboard.  If you don’t know Goodman’s history of trolling Indiana, you haven’t been listening.

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38 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Your “crock” comment was in regards to Steven’s and as almost everyone knows, his dream job was IU and he would have left Butler to come to IU had it not been for the NBA ever finally calling and that closed that door.

what is a crock and what does it have to do with Steven’s?

I’m not talking pre-Crean and don’t care about playing fantasy games of what might have been a decade ago if we’d made a run at coach X, all of that is just silly 

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8 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I’m not talking pre-Crean and don’t care about playing fantasy games of what might have been a decade ago if we’d made a run at coach X, all of that is just silly 

My general question.. Indiana has deficiencies as a program… Is the coach capable of making all those changes or is that on the department? A follow up question is do we have the necessary people to make the change? 

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4 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

My general question.. Indiana has deficiencies as a program… Is the coach capable of making all those changes or is that on the department? A follow up question is do we have the necessary people to make the change? 

No, not unless the coach is Christopher Beard. But since IU doesn't have Christopher Beard as their coach it is totally impossible for those deficiencies to be fixed.

Hope that answers your questions.

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17 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

No, not unless the coach is Christopher Beard. But since IU doesn't have Christopher Beard as their coach it is totally impossible for those deficiencies to be fixed.

Hope that answers your questions.

Umm yeah, NO!

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25 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

My general question.. Indiana has deficiencies as a program… Is the coach capable of making all those changes or is that on the department? A follow up question is do we have the necessary people to make the change? 

It would have to be one heck of a coach. It could be done, see Wiscy and purdoodoo. To compete at the highest levels our department would need a makeover, see complete 180 from where they've been for decades.

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16 hours ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

-IU didn't reach out to my top candidate Chris Beard

Beard was definitely high on my list but not reaching out to him was probably the smartest move we made in the coaching search. Nothing to do with his coaching, but knowing that Texas job was going to be open in the near future, it was a waste of our time to even reach out. Had we reached out right away and took this job, now knowing that the Texas job opened up sooner than expected, he would have embarrassed us more than we ever could have imagine by turning around and taking the Texas job a week later. I can't even imagine the what it would have been like to make a huge splash of a hire like that only for him to leave a week later for Texas. 

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3 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Beard was definitely high on my list but not reaching out to him was probably the smartest move we made in the coaching search. Nothing to do with his coaching, but knowing that Texas job was going to be open in the near future, it was a waste of our time to even reach out. Had we reached out right away and took this job, now knowing that the Texas job opened up sooner than expected, he would have embarrassed us more than we ever could have imagine by turning around and taking the Texas job a week later. I can't even imagine the what it would have been like to make a huge splash of a hire like that only for him to leave a week later for Texas. 

Yes, but this doesn't suit his narrative....

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1 hour ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Yes, but this doesn't suit his narrative....

Ehhh....the whole "fit your narrative" thing gets a bit overused on this board in my opinion (which I suppose is a microcosm of the world we live in today), but hey, you disagree with him. I didn't read the entire thread in detail, but he/she is passing along thoughts from a podcast they heard relevant to IU hoops. Beard was their coach of choice. But it's a legitimate question to wonder where the problem lies in this program, what needs to happen to fix it, and are the right people in place to do it. Hard for me to see any narrative being pushed here. 

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53 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Ehhh....the whole "fit your narrative" thing gets a bit overused on this board in my opinion (which I suppose is a microcosm of the world we live in today), but hey, you disagree with him. I didn't read the entire thread in detail, but he/she is passing along thoughts from a podcast they heard relevant to IU hoops. Beard was their coach of choice. But it's a legitimate question to wonder where the problem lies in this program, what needs to happen to fix it, and are the right people in place to do it. Hard for me to see any narrative being pushed here. 

Yeah I disagree, but it's all good. this is rehashing old, old news/beliefs, it's gets, well, old, leaving aside that it's Goodman.

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4 hours ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

My general question.. Indiana has deficiencies as a program… Is the coach capable of making all those changes or is that on the department? A follow up question is do we have the necessary people to make the change? 

IMO it would take a different administration & some big-time donors coming forward. Blow up Assembly Hall & Cook and start over with a state-of-the-art arena. Then bring in a top-notch coach. Someone on a different level than Chris Beard. Not sure it is all possible

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3 hours ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Beard was definitely high on my list but not reaching out to him was probably the smartest move we made in the coaching search. Nothing to do with his coaching, but knowing that Texas job was going to be open in the near future, it was a waste of our time to even reach out. Had we reached out right away and took this job, now knowing that the Texas job opened up sooner than expected, he would have embarrassed us more than we ever could have imagine by turning around and taking the Texas job a week later. I can't even imagine the what it would have been like to make a huge splash of a hire like that only for him to leave a week later for Texas. 

The assumption here is that in the reach out to Beard you say, hypothetically the Texas job is open and the Indiana Job is open, do you have any interest in coaching at IU… that way you mitigate your risk… had Beard said yes then left for Texas, IU is embarrassed, yes, but what would have happened next? we would have ended up with Woodson….

i’m just confused at to why IU wouldn’t touch Beard.

which asks the question. Do the people internal to IUBB know what needs to be done to be a top program? 

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3 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

The assumption here is that in the reach out to Beard you say, hypothetically the Texas job is open and the Indiana Job is open, do you have any interest in coaching at IU… that way you mitigate your risk… had Beard said yes then left for Texas, IU is embarrassed, yes, but what would have happened next? we would have ended up with Woodson….

i’m just confused at to why IU wouldn’t touch Beard.

which asks the question. Do the people internal to IUBB know what needs to be done to be a top program? 

But didn't Beard go to Texas, have good recruits, get the best transfers from the portal and go 10-7 in the Big 12? I guess I'm just not sold that he is elite, great yeah, but IMO not elite

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3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

But didn't Beard go to Texas, have good recruits, get the best transfers from the portal and go 10-7 in the Big 12? I guess I'm just not sold that he is elite, great yeah, but IMO not elite

Well they are top 25, headed to the tourney, and over 500 in league play. I think IU would take those results.

Woodson could and may be the long term answer (and for the record I like Woodson). Or we could lose our next 2 and miss the tourney for the 6th year. Time will tell.

To me, it sounds like IU admin doesn’t know what they are doing…No A coaches want to come because of Admin, so they hire B coaches, and B coaches don’t enact institutional changes to be a top program, so the admin rinses and repeats. 
 

I watch the IU games, but I don’t want to invest a ton of time if IU has no chance to ever win big because of the deficiencies I mentioned earlier. 

 

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1 minute ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Well they are top 25, headed to the tourney, and over 500 in league play. I think IU would take those results.

Woodson could and may be the long term answer (and for the record I like Woodson). Or we could lose our next 2 and miss the tourney for the 6th year. Time will tell.

To me, it sounds like IU admin doesn’t know what they are doing…No A coaches want to come because of Admin, so they hire B coaches, and B coaches don’t enact institutional changes to be a top program, so the admin rinses and repeats. 
 

I watch the IU games, but I don’t want to invest a ton of time if IU has no chance to ever win big because of the deficiencies I mentioned earlier. 

 

Well if we win tonight we would have two of the three. Over 500 in league play and most likely going to the tourney. I understand what your saying and I didn't mention Woodson because I think everyone knows he's not the long-term answer. But I don't think Beard is either. 

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2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Well if we win tonight we would have two of the three. Over 500 in league play and most likely going to the tourney. I understand what your saying and I didn't mention Woodson because I think everyone knows he's not the long-term answer. But I don't think Beard is either. 

Who’s your top 3 that could be long term answers? 

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27 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

 

i’m just confused at to why IU wouldn’t touch Beard.

I saw a podcast with Goodman (yeah, I know) at the time where he and others insinuated that Beard had personal weaknesses that would hamper him in a coaching search.  I don't remember the exact verbiage, but it was implied that he liked drinking more than some schools were comfortable with.

If I recall correctly.

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6 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Who’s your top 3 that could be long term answers? 

I don't have a good answer. I'm just a guy who thinks the next hire is the best hire. I'm always pro IU which is a fault of mine.

Drew Valentine

Wes Miller

Bob Richey

Dennis Gates

Dan Hurley

Mark Pope

Just some names off the top of my head that are young, and seem to be good now. But Archie was that also. 

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11 minutes ago, Josh said:

I saw a podcast with Goodman (yeah, I know) at the time where he and others insinuated that Beard had personal weaknesses that would hamper him in a coaching search.  I don't remember the exact verbiage, but it was implied that he liked drinking more than some schools were comfortable with.

If I recall correctly.

 

Because what could go wrong with that?

 

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Just now, Chris007 said:

I don't have a good answer. I'm just a guy who thinks the next hire is the best hire. I'm always pro IU which is a fault of mine.

Drew Valentine

Wes Miller

Bob Richey

Dennis Gates

Dan Hurley

Mark Pope

Just some names off the top of my head that are young, and seem to be good now. But Archie was that also. 

Next hire if you don’t get your white whale why not switch it up and get a college basketball lifer.   One that has put the time in as an assistant and has had success as a power 5 coach.   If the young ones didn’t work and the former player doesn’t work what does IU have to lose hiring a grinder. Most   Fans will hate it but whatever get a guy that can make something out of nothing. 

Steve Pikiell

Ed Cooley 

or even 

Steve Forbes 

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