IUBB @ O$U - 2/21/22 @ 7:00 on FS1-TV

[Chris007 47,470]

1 minute ago, IU_FanClub said:

Dont even know what to say at this point lol. I’ve tried to stay positive all year but watching this season play out has been pure torture. Can’t wait for thursday lol

My thoughts exactly. It's going to be hell or torture I'm sure but I can't wait for it to get here

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1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

Just seemed to play better to me. At one point I think he scored 7 straight points.  I noticed Fife trying to get him back in for Stewart at the end for defense, but Woodson didn't pay any attention to them. 

I’m curious as to the relationship between Woody and Fife. Usually, he doesn’t sit close to Woody during games. Is he the coach in waiting? I know he isn’t used to losing

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1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

The strategy of putting Parker Stewart on their best player in the 2nd half was a bold one. Didn't seem to pay off. 

Maybe it'll work next game when we do it again, eventually it has to work right?

[Hovadipo 57,398]

4 minutes ago, monskisprodigy said:

Unfortunately, reports to the 'University' can get lost in the stack. I truly hope the coaching staff is aware, and they are getting this young man the help he needs.

As someone who has come along side a partner battling life long depression, those words and thoughts on paper scream a cry for help, with immediate reach out and action warranted.  Basketball is just a game, and this is a great reminder to all, including myself, of the pressure cooker these young men are in.

Fortunately for him, his status will pretty much guarantee that the report won't get lost. This will likely be taken very seriously. It's unfortunate at the same time that it takes his type of status to guarantee that.

[Chris007 47,470]

Just now, schoosier said:

I’m curious as to the relationship between Woody and Fife. Usually, he doesn’t sit close to Woody during games. Is he the coach in waiting? I know he isn’t used to losing

I don't think he is the coach in waiting. I'm not even sure he will be here next year. I think he is frustrated that his voice is not heard as much as he would like. I think that goes with Hunter also. Woody is listening to guys he's coached with for years more so than guys on his staff.

Dane made some mistakes in recruiting this summer also. It's weird because are we hearing more about this now because we've lost 5 games in a row or because coaches aren't happy talking more. 

He tried last night it looked like to get Kopp back in to guard Branham with about 3-4 minutes left but Woody was not listening to him, finally put him in with about 45 seconds to go. 

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43 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I only use Davis as an example because he pretty much single handily beat us down the stretch but probably too extreme of an example.  We need a wing player when things break down he can get a decent shot off and he can takeover at times.  OSU seems to have a couple in Liddell and now Branham.  Purdue has Ivey, Wisky has Davis, Iowa has Murray, Rutgers has Harper, etc.  I can point to about 75% of the teams ranked in the top 25 and I would bet each one has a guy on the wing who can create his own shot when the shot clock is winding down or at the end of the game when they need a bucket. I can remember a lot of the old teams at IU and they seem to have that guy or guys.  Who on this team is it?  Nobody!  And that is not a crutch but a necessity with all good teams!

And we continue to search for that square hole to our square peg. When you don't have that player you have to run your offense (I know, what offense) to get looks. Our problem is and has been the majority of the season that we don't run anything to our strengths. We post and pray. In crunch time, teams know that is what we're going to do and take it away. When we were cupcaking our way through the noncon we should have been working this into sets. Instead we were having TJD dominate little guys or holding on against directional u as one of their players got hot and brought them back. It's been there the entire season and we've done exactly zilch to make up for it. This is what we get when it's not addressed. Surprised?

Also, X is about the only player that can consistently beat his defender off the dribble. If we would have been running more stuff for him to get others involved throughout the cupcake season we might be able to incorporate some of that in late game situations. Post and pray, post and pray

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2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I don't think he is the coach in waiting. I'm not even sure he will be here next year. I think he is frustrated that his voice is not heard as much as he would like. I think that goes with Hunter also. Woody is listening to guys he's coached with for years more so than guys on his staff.

Dane made some mistakes in recruiting this summer also. It's weird because are we hearing more about this now because we've lost 5 games in a row or because coaches aren't happy talking more. 

He tried last night it looked like to get Kopp back in to guard Branham with about 3-4 minutes left but Woody was not listening to him, finally put him in with about 45 seconds to go. 

Yikes...the optics of Dane leaving after one season, after he left a very very good MSU gig to come home, would not be ideal. Losing Hunter and Fife would be a big blow. 

Who is he listening to if not his assistants? Is it an ego thing with CMW? Kenya and Dane have been around the block a time or two, and if he's only utilizing them for scouting/game plans and not in game, we've got a bigger problem than our offense.

Also...Still don't understand why we didn't call a timeout prior to inbounding the ball with 5 seconds left to get a set drawn up. Was screaming at the tv. 

[IUc2016 7,121]

11 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I don't think he is the coach in waiting. I'm not even sure he will be here next year. I think he is frustrated that his voice is not heard as much as he would like. I think that goes with Hunter also. Woody is listening to guys he's coached with for years more so than guys on his staff.

Dane made some mistakes in recruiting this summer also. It's weird because are we hearing more about this now because we've lost 5 games in a row or because coaches aren't happy talking more. 

He tried last night it looked like to get Kopp back in to guard Branham with about 3-4 minutes left but Woody was not listening to him, finally put him in with about 45 seconds to go. 

Yikes. I for one am not confident that Dane should be the next coach, but if he were to leave after one year it would look awful.

I worried from the beginning that Woody would come in and think he knew better because he was from the NBA, and by all accounts (not just from you) that is what is happening. 

If that is the case, this will never work.

and for the record: I have always and always will be on the Michael Lewis train. 

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9 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I don't think he is the coach in waiting. I'm not even sure he will be here next year. I think he is frustrated that his voice is not heard as much as he would like. I think that goes with Hunter also. Woody is listening to guys he's coached with for years more so than guys on his staff.

Dane made some mistakes in recruiting this summer also. It's weird because are we hearing more about this now because we've lost 5 games in a row or because coaches aren't happy talking more. 

He tried last night it looked like to get Kopp back in to guard Branham with about 3-4 minutes left but Woody was not listening to him, finally put him in with about 45 seconds to go. 

That is all very concerning for me. Wasn't crazy about the Woody hire at the time but have bought in to a degree. I really hope that he adjusts and starts listening to the assistants because I think they have a lot of knowledge on the bench and off court as well with Thad. Woodson does come across as pretty stubborn and if he continues with His team attitude then it very well could be his undoing and we will fall further into obscurity. 

[Chris007 47,470]

1 minute ago, monskisprodigy said:

Yikes...the optics of Dane leaving after one season, after he left a very very good MSU gig to come home, would not be ideal. Losing Hunter and Fife would be a big blow. 

Who is he listening to if not his assistants? Is it an ego thing with CMW? Kenya and Dane have been around the block a time or two, and if he's only utilizing them for scouting/game plans and not in game, we've got a bigger problem than our offense.

Also...Still don't understand why we didn't call a timeout prior to inbounding the ball with 5 seconds left to get a set drawn up. Was screaming at the tv. 

Armond Hill, Randy Wittman, and Jim Todd. The former two are retired NBA assistants. I think he has more trust in them right now than he does his own assistants.

I think Woody might have been the pick of a former player/current trustee, and Dolson picked Matta & Fife. I've heard people say that but I don't personally know that to be true. 

There are a lot of smart basketball people in those meetings, just have to listen to the right ones hopefully. 

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16 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Fortunately for him, his status will pretty much guarantee that the report won't get lost. This will likely be taken very seriously. It's unfortunate at the same time that it takes his type of status to guarantee that.

There was a shot of Rob, Trey, and Kristian on the bench in the second half.  Lander really looked distracted and uneasy.  IDK if that's his normal appearance but it stood out to me at the time.

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

Trayce has been great at IU but he could be better. Trayce has been our best player for the last three years. Trayce is not a leader. Difficult situations are much easier to get through when you have a leader. We would not be floundering away like we have the last 3 Februarys with a leader. There are a few things I expected Woody to bring to the program in his first season. I didn't expect e and e to be optional and I didn't expect us to be rudderless.

This is a good lesson for all of us. Identify what you have and work like hell to develop leaders. Your job becomes increasingly easier with better leadership under you. The leadership they display directly reflects your ability to reach and teach.

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1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

Armond Hill, Randy Wittman, and Jim Todd. The former two are retired NBA assistants. I think he has more trust in them right now than he does his own assistants.

I think Woody might have been the pick of a former player/current trustee, and Dolson picked Matta & Fife. I've heard people say that but I don't personally know that to be true. 

There are a lot of smart basketball people in those meetings, just have to listen to the right ones hopefully. 

But those guys don't freaking coach here (besides Hill)....if he really is going to them instead of his assistants, I don't blame them for leaving. Are these guys on an advisory type contract, or is he just reaching out as friends. Disappointing to hear this. 

Also, how much of a role is Matta having with the team? If he isn't listening to his assistants, assume he isn't listening to Matta either. 

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3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Armond Hill, Randy Wittman, and Jim Todd. The former two are retired NBA assistants. I think he has more trust in them right now than he does his own assistants.

I think Woody might have been the pick of a former player/current trustee, and Dolson picked Matta & Fife. I've heard people say that but I don't personally know that to be true. 

There are a lot of smart basketball people in those meetings, just have to listen to the right ones hopefully. 

 

Armond Hill has turned into his right hand man on the bench ... literally.

Kenya is usually on his left.

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4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Armond Hill, Randy Wittman, and Jim Todd. The former two are retired NBA assistants. I think he has more trust in them right now than he does his own assistants.

I think Woody might have been the pick of a former player/current trustee, and Dolson picked Matta & Fife. I've heard people say that but I don't personally know that to be true. 

There are a lot of smart basketball people in those meetings, just have to listen to the right ones hopefully. 

"Arranged marriages" in management tend to fail.

[Chris007 47,470]

3 minutes ago, monskisprodigy said:

But those guys don't freaking coach here (besides Hill)....if he really is going to them instead of his assistants, I don't blame them for leaving. Are these guys on an advisory type contract, or is he just reaching out as friends. Disappointing to hear this. 

Also, how much of a role is Matta having with the team? If he isn't listening to his assistants, assume he isn't listening to Matta either. 

Matta sits in on all meetings but doesn't think he gives his input unless it is asked for. Which I don't think it is very often. 

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4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Matta sits in on all meetings but doesn't think he gives his input unless it is asked for. Which I don't think it is very often. 

Sounds like we are making the most of the resources we have. 

We are the real life "This is fine" dog in a burning room gif. 

 

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1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

The strategy of putting Parker Stewart on their best player in the 2nd half was a bold one. Didn't seem to pay off. 

Sadly he's not their best player.....but becomes that when Parker is guarding him.

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14 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Armond Hill, Randy Wittman, and Jim Todd. The former two are retired NBA assistants. I think he has more trust in them right now than he does his own assistants.

I think Woody might have been the pick of a former player/current trustee, and Dolson picked Matta & Fife. I've heard people say that but I don't personally know that to be true. 

There are a lot of smart basketball people in those meetings, just have to listen to the right ones hopefully. 

Is this Jim Todd? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Todd

If so, yikes.. Guy last coached in 2014 when he was one of Woody’s assistants. Wittman last coached in 2016. IU was actually a tournament team when they were still in the pros. Neither appear to have ever coached in college. Armond Hill hasn’t coached in college since 2003 when Columbia fired him for going 2-25, the worst season in school history, and 72-141. He was in the pros until 2020, and (I think), retired when Woodson hired him.

Not even saying that those guys don’t know about basketball, but two of them never coached in college and one of them last coached in college two decades ago. Trusting them while ignoring the decades of college coaching experience on the bench (and wherever Matta lurks) is very concerning. Before the season I remember a lot of talk about how Woody doesn’t have an ego and has no problem listening to lots of people for opinions and advice. It doesn’t sound like that’s actually true.. 

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1 hour ago, IUc2016 said:

blow this roster up. Keep a few of the freshman and sophomores and thank everyone else for their time. 

Most of the others are graduating and aren't likely to use their covid year.  TJD will be leaving.  Could very well be G league next year, but I'm not sure why people complain about guys leaving if they don't make the show right away.  There is something to be said for learning your craft playing 50/60 games with not worrying about any academics.