IUBB vs Wisconsin - 02/15/22 @ 9:00 on ESPN2

[Golfman25 6,295]

So a few thoughts.  

Brad "Jesus Christ" Stevens isn't going to be coaching IU, ever.  Dude apparently had his chance and he choses to no longer coach.  And nobody was really interested in trying the mid major flavor of the year, again (failed twice).  And we wheren't getting a power five lateral transfer, Beard, et. al. -- why would they come.  So Dolson's move was to blend the old with the new -- get someone with roots from when IU was a blue blood, who wanted to institute an "NBA style" offense and play strong defense.  It's still a work in progress, but I think it was a good move under the circumstances.  And just maybe Mike Woodson is coaching is arse off with the band of misfit toys.  

Best thing that can happen to the program is TJD get drafted.  Woodson can then tell every recruit -- "I did that."  

Archie Miller set this program back a decade.  At least Crean had some flashes with some good years. 

Can still make the tourney.  3 winnable games in the next five.  Plus a mini run in the Big Tourney will help.  Season's not over by any means.  Plus a week to get healthy -- Phin????  Players need to find their balls and finish strong.  

We don't have a killer on this team.  They guy that looks you in the eye while he cuts your guts out.   Need to overhaul the roster.  

I hate losing to Wisconsin.  

 

[Golfman25 6,295]

12 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Who’s acting? 
you really think missing all 5 players didnt cause that loss? Was Galloway about ready to drop dead, completely gassed before he fouled out because he had to play what was for him extreme minutes? Didn’t effect the outcome? Of course it did 

Frankly, the only one that mattered was XJ.  And maybe Stewart.  The rest we could have just loaded up some dudes from the Hyper honestly.  

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

15 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

So a few thoughts.  

Brad "Jesus Christ" Stevens isn't going to be coaching IU, ever.  Dude apparently had his chance and he choses to no longer coach.  And nobody was really interested in trying the mid major flavor of the year, again (failed twice).  And we wheren't getting a power five lateral transfer, Beard, et. al. -- why would they come.  So Dolson's move was to blend the old with the new -- get someone with roots from when IU was a blue blood, who wanted to institute an "NBA style" offense and play strong defense.  It's still a work in progress, but I think it was a good move under the circumstances.  And just maybe Mike Woodson is coaching is arse off with the band of misfit toys.  

Best thing that can happen to the program is TJD get drafted.  Woodson can then tell every recruit -- "I did that."  

Archie Miller set this program back a decade.  At least Crean had some flashes with some good years. 

Can still make the tourney.  3 winnable games in the next five.  Plus a mini run in the Big Tourney will help.  Season's not over by any means.  Plus a week to get healthy -- Phin????  Players need to find their balls and finish strong.  

We don't have a killer on this team.  They guy that looks you in the eye while he cuts your guts out.   Need to overhaul the roster.  

I hate losing to Wisconsin.  

 

This 100%!!!! 
 

Nice post, sums up the reality and status of the program!

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

28 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Who’s acting? 
you really think missing all 5 players didnt cause that loss? Was Galloway about ready to drop dead, completely gassed before he fouled out because he had to play what was for him extreme minutes? Didn’t effect the outcome? Of course it did 

100% it did!

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

2 hours ago, IU - Kaulie said:

Yep.  Ball movement and pace of play are so much better without Kopp and Stewart.  CMW has to know it that’s why that group finishes games but that group needs to start games and play more together too.  Throw in Bates as well because the ball moves and the pace is better with him in as well.  The minutes Kopp and Stewart are getting need reduced drastically.

Yes, it does.  They both need to come off the bench but not at the same time.

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,981]

Titus and Tate talks Indiana a lot on recent podcast. Talks Galloway. Tyra Buss.  Etc.  

I hate, that we suck.  Punked on our own court.  Getting trash talked and beat on our own floor.  We’d probably lose in a fight too.  I’m a hockey guy.  I’m ready to knock someone’s block off………

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

2 hours ago, Alford Bailey said:

One common denominator over the last 6 seasons and three coaches. Bad guard play. Our big win vs Purdue we had 2 guards play extremely well. Not a coincidence. Nothing is gonna change until we bring in talent at guard. We need to recruit over every guard on the roster .

You are correct!  The inconsistencies with this team is because of the guard play and X is one of the most inconsistent, it’s like he is bi-polar.

Also, we don’t have a real go to guy, a guy that can take over games and he is able to create his own shot.  

[RaceToTheTop 28,713]

31 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Addressed this already but there are all kinds if punishments used by coaches short of benching 5 players and causing a loss. Early morning practices with sprints etc. that’s pretty common, happens with other teams a lot. But we have to bench 5?

this penalized the whole team by causing a loss and just maybe missing the ncaa tourney. Attitude? It’s not an attitude, it’s about what the appropriate penalty or punishment was for what was a relatively minor team rule violation.   Like i said, may not be popular, but it’s not about attitude 

Winning begins with doing what it takes to win.  And when you have players who aren't doing what it takes, enabling them sure as hell doesn't help.

Early morning practice and running sprints in exchange for a night out on the town?  College kids will take that exchange every time.  

[chicagoHOOSIER 1,051]

We got called for 9 more fouls on our own home court in a Big Ten basketball game against Wisconsin last night. That is relevant.

[chicagoHOOSIER 1,051]

6 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Titus and Tate talks Indiana a lot on recent podcast. Talks Galloway. Tyra Buss.  Etc.  

I hate, that we suck.  Punked on our own court.  Getting trash talked and beat on our own floor.  We’d probably lose in a fight too.  I’m a hockey guy.  I’m ready to knock someone’s teeth out………

fixed

[IU Scott 2,375]

2 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

If we want to be a serious program then we have to act like a serious program. And yes, that  includes not laying down the hammer for insignificant offenses. UK wouldn’t have done it. Neither would have Duke, Kansas, Baylor, etc. Woody threw away an easy win because he wanted to be a hard***. There’s more than one way to punish players. Their alleged violation warranted early morning stadium stairs, not a suspension. 

What a terrible take, action has consequences. That is what is wrong with our society is that there is no discipline any longer

[MikeRoberts 7,669]

27 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

who wanted to institute an "NBA style" offense and play strong defense  It's still a work in progress, but I think it was a good move under the circumstances.  And just maybe Mike Woodson is coaching is arse off with the band of misfit toys.  

 

NO! This “NBA offense” is THE WORST!

if this is woodson coaching his arse off we are all in for a heavy dose of hell. He has been as error prone with his subs, minutes, play calling, “system” if you can even call it that. 
he is every bit as much to blame for the crap we are watching

[IU - Kaulie 1,943]

51 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I agree a rules violation has to have consequences.

But the consequence doesn’t have to be sitting 5 players in a game — it just doesn’t. There are all sorts of alternative punishments / rule enforcement measures that other coaches employ all the time. Sprints, early morning practices with sprints etc, a day at the football stadium running stairs, etc.

The effect here is to effectively penalize everyone, by causing a team loss. That has its own consequences. It was a shortsighted decision, imo, and has affected the team’s ncaa chances 

We will just have to disagree here.  Basketball is a team sport.  Win or lose.  CMW said if the players don’t follow the rules they won’t play. It’s quite simple.  He didn’t want to suspend the players but they knew the ramifications for not following team rules.  Even if it does cost our team a tournament berth (those players doesn’t guarantee a win; next man up) I think he is sending the right message.

[MikeRoberts 7,669]

7 minutes ago, chicagoHOOSIER said:

We got called for 9 more fouls on our own home court in a Big Ten basketball game against Wisconsin last night. That is relevant.

Yes, in large part because we have two wings that don’t guard and either fouls by reaching or put teammates in crap spots to help

[RaceToTheTop 28,713]

40 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Who’s acting? 
you really think missing all 5 players didnt cause that loss? Was Galloway about ready to drop dead, completely gassed before he fouled out because he had to play what was for him extreme minutes? Didn’t effect the outcome? Of course it did 

You do know Northwestern was a 1 point favorite?  The players were gassed at the end but I'm not convinced that we ever get up 7 in the second half with our normal rotation.

It was a coin flip game WITH all of our guys.  Not having Lander or Durr was irrelevant.  And if you think that X, Stewart, and X make us automatically win that game, I'll introduce exhibit A:  X, Stewart, and Bates' combined 6 of 29 shooting yesterday.

Seriously, exactly what has any of the suspended players done that has deserved leniency?

[Golfman25 6,295]

5 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

NO! This “NBA offense” is THE WORST!

if this is woodson coaching his arse off we are all in for a heavy dose of hell. He has been as error prone with his subs, minutes, play calling, “system” if you can even call it that. 
he is every bit as much to blame for the crap we are watching

Maybe it’s reflection of the flawed players.  

[RaceToTheTop 28,713]

7 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

What a terrible take, action has consequences. That is what is wrong with our society is that there is no discipline any longer

As a 32 year teacher, +100000.

[MikeRoberts 7,669]

9 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Winning begins with doing what it takes to win.  And when you have players who aren't doing what it takes, enabling them sure as hell doesn't help.

Early morning practice and running sprints in exchange for a night out on the town?  College kids will take that exchange every time.  

This staff has enabled Lazieness all season! 
 

firm in one area, matador who gives a crap in a another. Makes zero sense 

[RaceToTheTop 28,713]

2 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Yes, in large part because we have two wings that don’t guard and either fouls by reaching or put teammates in crap spots to help

My issue is that TJD had 14 free throws;  Stewart had 2, and that was on a flagrant foul.  Outside of that.....we had 2 free throws.  I've seen Wisky play defense.  They're good....but they foul. IMO, it's literally impossible that a game called correctly results in two free throws just from guys Davison' guards.

[IU - Kaulie 1,943]

54 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

 

I have no idea how CMW views Parker.  It’s just my opinion that he doesn’t move much on offense and is limited in other areas of the game.  Maybe CMW looks at him differently but he has seen a steady decline in minutes and has lost his starting spot and has been suspended not once but twice so something is going on there.