IUBB @ Northwestern - 02/08/22 @ 9:00 ET on BTN

[HoosierAloha 30,100]

8 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

That’s a very good question!! I am not sure the players know the actual leader is!  I am sure CMW is asking that very same question.

I know coach has only been here for 11 months but wouldn't that be something you figure out relatively quickly? We had extra practices and a summer trip to figure it out. Glad the guys had that time to bond on the beach and swept that pro squad in the Bahamas!

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

21 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I love these games (the random selection of x as an example). What is magical about 5 games...? In the 6th game, is it not important to play with e and listen to the coach?

Even during those 5 games there were signs but lets continue to ignore those signs because that wouldn't fit the narrative. (Please don't hit me with the non-fan or negative fan reply, they did some good things during those games) They laid major turds all over the court in the 6th one. Should they conduct these meetings after every 5 games. As I've stated since early in the season, it's about how they've played and not the result.

 

Is e elasticity?  Elongated?  Eventually?  Evolution?  Hmmmmm, I wonder what e means.  We get it, you think this team lacks effort.  To be honest, it takes more effort to play D than O.  I think this team lacks offensive skills from about every player and CMW has said the D is ahead of the O.  
 

I think our D has been decent, I think he should install some more or better offensive plays that requires more motion and less standing around.  Just my opinion.  

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

5 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I know coach has only been here for 11 months but wouldn't that be something you figure out relatively quickly? We had extra practices and a summer trip to figure it out. Glad the guys had that time to bond on the beach and swept that pro squad in the Bahamas!

I’m sure who he thought was the leader, they maybe held accountable too!

I take it you aren’t a Mike Woodson fan!

[HoosierHoopster 7,689]

Well Christ. 
I’ve been swamped, had to miss the game, then stared at a story wondering what in the living Hell would cause Woodson to bench 5 players in what was clearly an important game.

I am just back on and haven’t read through the threads.

Do we know why in the world Woodson did this, or is the reason for this mass discipline just message board speculation? Man this sucks 

[Josh 12,950]

51 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

 

[HoosierAloha 30,100]

2 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Fair enough, and it's a rule.  However, the damn thing is legal is many states, including the one they where in.  And it's college.  These kids do college kid things.  My postion is, don't set them up to fail.  Set them up to grow from their mistakes.  

Completely agree. It's just how things are and there are ways to do it. How you would go about that in this situation I have no idea. A little leadership might go a long way in this situation.

[HoosierAloha 30,100]

3 minutes ago, Josh said:

 

Bruh, do I have to clean out the entire inbox? Alaska has sent me some crazy moose photos I can't get rid of...?

 

[HoosierAloha 30,100]

7 minutes ago, Josh said:

 

Try again, please.

[HoosierAloha 30,100]

15 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Is e elasticity?  Elongated?  Eventually?  Evolution?  Hmmmmm, I wonder what e means.  We get it, you think this team lacks effort.  To be honest, it takes more effort to play D than O.  I think this team lacks offensive skills from about every player and CMW has said the D is ahead of the O.  
 

I think our D has been decent, I think he should install some more or better offensive plays that requires more motion and less standing around.  Just my opinion.  

Yes

E is more than just that though. Some peeps didn't like my definition of e though. We lack offensive skills (and scheme) and do some things on defense that should have been corrected a long time ago. Woody said that before the season started. Are we still running with that 3/4 of the way through the season? How long are we going to keep using that? I heard it was players weren't used to playing together and it would get better.

We lack all around players. We have 'shooters' who don't shoot enough and are terrible on defense and rebounding. We have slashers who we feel good when they draw iron on their threes. We have a defender who is struggling with confidence issues some games but not the one or two he actually scored well in. We have bigs who aren't quite big enough or don't quite have the skill to be be effective in the system. We have a system that is one dimensional in many ways and doesn't do much to relieve the pressure in those situations.

[HoosierAloha 30,100]

19 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Well Christ. 
I’ve been swamped, had to miss the game, then stared at a story wondering what in the living Hell would cause Woodson to bench 5 players in what was clearly an important game.

I am just back on and haven’t read through the threads.

Do we know why in the world Woodson did this, or is the reason for this mass discipline just message board speculation? Man this sucks 

It wasn't true until is was.

It's not weed because they couldn't suit up if it was.

There were shades of green (or gray) to indicate it could be weed.

Woody isn't playing those games.

Those players may or may not play in the next game.

Those players were running stairs with a coach or GA in AH at 4-5 AM.

[WayneFleekHoosier 50,003]

My brain extrapolating. If Woodson fails where does Indiana turn in 3 years?  Is the Indiana brand dead?  Is it already dead.  Is Woodson our last hope to remain/redeem Blue Blood status.  Do we pay someone 8 mil a year to fix this mess.  Do we fold and try to win football games and hire the next mid major savant?  Can Woodson SOS?  Inquiring minds need to know.  Whatever Woodson and his very experienced staff has decided with this offense is straight offensive, and I’m offended.  
 

Stream of thought. 

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

3 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Yes

E is more than just that though. Some peeps didn't like my definition of e though. We lack offensive skills (and scheme) and do some things on defense that should have been corrected a long time ago. Woody said that before the season started. Are we still running with that 3/4 of the way through the season? How long are we going to keep using that? I heard it was players weren't used to playing together and it would get better.

We lack all around players. We have 'shooters' who don't shoot enough and are terrible on defense and rebounding. We have slashers who we feel good when they draw iron on their threes. We have a defender who is struggling with confidence issues some games but not the one or two he actually scored well in. We have bigs who aren't quite big enough or don't quite have the skill to be be effective in the system. We have a system that is one dimensional in many ways and doesn't do much to relieve the pressure in those situations.

Sounds like it is more of a roster construction issue.  I know CMW put this roster together but most of the players were already here and they had to try to fill gaps with the slim Pickens left from the transfer portal and he lucked out landing Bates.  I think we need to give him at least 3 years to assess his players skill set.  
 

You definitely don’t like CMW or you must have thought this team should be further along than what they are even though they haven’t been in CMW’s for a whole year 

[HoosierAloha 30,100]

5 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Sounds like it is more of a roster construction issue.  I know CMW put this roster together but most of the players were already here and they had to try to fill gaps with the slim Pickens left from the transfer portal and he lucked out landing Bates.  I think we need to give him at least 3 years to assess his players skill set.  
 

You definitely don’t like CMW or you must have thought this team should be further along than what they are even though they haven’t been in CMW’s for a whole year 

I think I've been saying it since early in the season. E and e should not be an option at Indiana. It should be a standard that is met or it is not met. Simple. It is far easier to be tough and back off a little than it is to go easy and try to step it up. That was true thousands of years ago and is the same today. This has been a mystery for our program for some time.

Look back at some of the articles, we seemed to be landing some transfers we really wanted. I don't think landing Bates was luck I think it was relationships.

I don't understand this line of thinking. If you could help me with it I would be appreciative. Some of the people I like the most are the ones I'm most critical of. Why? Because I know they are capable of more. Woody has played and coached a lot of basketball. He knows what good basketball looks like. Can he get the program where he envisions before he steps aside? We'll see.

I like that we've mostly cleaned up the turnovers that were a major issue earlier in the season. We still have lapses at times, could that be related to decisions made off the court? Our FTs are still baffling. What's the issue? Is that still something we're blaming Arch for? Our outside shooting in percentages and volume is still an issue. We've had a few games where we shot for quantity and quality but they're few and far between. We're in 2022 we need to be really good at that. We have rebounding issues we really haven't addressed. We over help on defense that have left shooters WIDE OPEN far too often. The players most guilty of it are also the ones who struggle to defend 1v1 and are slow to get back out to the shooter.

[reconmkd 4,685]

So we now have PUrdouche fans tweeting at our players parents! 

[Hoosierfan2017 23,528]

58 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

My brain extrapolating. If Woodson fails where does Indiana turn in 3 years?  Is the Indiana brand dead?  Is it already dead.  Is Woodson our last hope to remain/redeem Blue Blood status.  Do we pay someone 8 mil a year to fix this mess.  Do we fold and try to win football games and hire the next mid major savant?  Can Woodson SOS?  Inquiring minds need to know.  Whatever Woodson and his very experienced staff has decided with this offense is straight offensive, and I’m offended.  
 

Stream of thought. 

The most recent coaching search tells us where the brand is at now. We hired someone no other team in the conference would’ve hired, and someone we wouldn’t have hired if he didn’t play here 40 years ago. Some will cite his ‘experience,’ but it’s not like anyone in either college or the NBA was beating down his door to make him their head coach.

Woody doesn’t look like the kind of coach who can win with mediocre talent. Most coaches can’t, so he’s not unique in that regard. But he’s not recruiting at a high enough level to make up for it. JHS looks nice, but Bates did too. He’s been a dud. In conference play he’s scoring 2.7 ppg on 24% from the field. Definitely not what I was expecting. JHS better be ready because the team will need him from day 1.

We’re a middling team this season and have been a middling program for the past 15 years. Some will blame the fans, but the program should be happy that it still has fans at this point. 

[LIHoosier 27,293]

21 minutes ago, reconmkd said:

So we now have PUrdouche fans tweeting at our players parents! 

Also, don't mind 'the boob' replying at the bottom.

[Stuhoo 85,898]

11 minutes ago, LIHoosier said:

Also, don't mind 'the boob' replying at the bottom.

Jaybob to the rescue!

[WayneFleekHoosier 50,003]

“Idiot fans”……….Social media isn’t good for mental health. Most shouldn’t bother. And there is a strong contingent that truly believes our fanbase is our problem and love to propagate those beliefs. Darn passionate fans that take sports too seriously. We may as well be the scapegoats.


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[Hoosierfan2017 23,528]

30 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

“Idiot fans”……….Social media isn’t good for mental health. Most shouldn’t bother. And there is a strong contingent that truly believes our fanbase is our problem and love to propagate those beliefs. Darn passionate fans that take sports too seriously. We may as well be the scapegoats.


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IU fans are mild, imho. We’ve made 4 tournaments in the past 13 years. Conference record over .500 three times in the past 13 years. Two sweet 16s. Zero elite 8s. 

How do Kentucky fans handle that? How do Duke fans? Kansas? UNC? We all know the answer. No blueblood program would put up with what we’ve put up with for more than a decade. We pride ourselves on “doing things the right way,” but there’s little honor in losing. Our team’s at home watching most years while the big boys flip the NCAA the finger and reap the rewards. 

[HoosierAloha 30,100]

38 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

“Idiot fans”……….Social media isn’t good for mental health. Most shouldn’t bother. And there is a strong contingent that truly believes our fanbase is our problem and love to propagate those beliefs. Darn passionate fans that take sports too seriously. We may as well be the scapegoats.


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I would like to know the thought process of Tweeting at a player, their relatives, coach, etc. It just doesn't compute.

Let's say that college fan bases are shareholders for your business. Which fan base are you choosing as your shareholders? I know we'd eat up some fresh paint and a shiny new (or old) toy quick, fast, and in a hurry while being shocked on the returns. After a few years, we'd be stoked to have that sold to us all over again not realizing there is so much more that goes into it.