IUBB @ Northwestern - 02/08/22 @ 9:00 ET on BTN

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

3 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

Culture, Wiscy has shown a track record of individuals and teams developing and improving. Where is the evidence we can do the same? I would love to eat a massive plate of crow on this as Bates plays at an All-Big 1.o level next season. Remember, Bates will be have the responsibility of being a new father on top of being a student-athlete next season. He obviously has talent but there is a ton of time and e to realize that talent. Will he get there?

That is something CMW is trying to build and get back.  I didn’t say All Big Ten, I said a step forward.  He’ll average double figures and will increase his other stats.

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3 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

Culture, Wiscy has shown a track record of individuals and teams developing and improving. Where is the evidence we can do the same? I would love to eat a massive plate of crow on this as Bates plays at an All-Big 1.o level next season. Remember, Bates will be have the responsibility of being a new father on top of being a student-athlete next season. He obviously has talent but there is a ton of time and e to realize that talent. Will he get there?

Bates being a new father?? I must have missed something.

 

Edited February 10, 2022 by HoosierDribbler

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

17 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

That is something CMW is trying to build and get back.  I didn’t say All Big Ten, I said a step forward.  He’ll average double figures and will increase his other stats.

I was the one that added the All-Big 1.o level because even as a non-fan, I would love to see his potential realized while at IU. Double figure scoring while being efficient, taking care of the ball, rebounding for his position, and defending would be fantastic. The team next year will probably be extremely dependent on him.

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2 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

I was given reasons for those wins. 

I chose the five closest games to the actual talk.  There isn't a magical number or five, but what do you want to go to?  five of seven?  six of eight?  six of ten?  A talk isn't going to change the whole culture of the program but if don't think that we played better immediately following the first team meeting, you're just wrong.

The 'reasons' -- 'excuses for why IU won' -- were a weak attempt to downplay that IU played well in that stretch.  Without that stretch we certainly aren't talking IU having any possibility of being in the tournament.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

34 minutes ago, HoosierDribbler said:

Bates being a new father?? I must have missed something.

 

I'm almost certain that was discussed on here, no?

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4 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I'm almost certain that was discussed on here, no?

It was

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42 minutes ago, HoosierDribbler said:

Bates being a new father?? I must have missed something.

 

He posted on Instagram a few months that’s he going to be having a kid in March. The post is no longer on his page, for whatever reason. 

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

7 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

I chose the five closest games to the actual talk.  There isn't a magical number or five, but what do you want to go to?  five of seven?  six of eight?  six of ten?  A talk isn't going to change the whole culture of the program but if don't think that we played better immediately following the first team meeting, you're just wrong.

The 'reasons' -- 'excuses for why IU won' -- were a weak attempt to downplay that IU played well in that stretch.  Without that stretch we certainly aren't talking IU having any possibility of being in the tournament.

That has been my point going back for forever. We hear talk - TJD staying because he was going to actually be developed, this player or that player is just the piece we need (coming from actual IU fans), this time we'll learn, this is what we needed to happen, etc. That's what it is, talk. Maybe it's needed for the players to get hyped about actually doing something but we fall back into those same patterns. When we are a serious program again it will be the baseline standard (playing with e and listening to the coach) not something that needs to be discussed every 2.5 games to remind ourselves to do. That is the point.

I answered your questions so please answer mine. Are Nebraska and Minnesota good basketball teams this season?

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

2 hours ago, IU_FanClub said:

Really just don't understand how people can pick out every single negative with the team and ignore anything positive. There has definitely been player development. Galloway is much much better than he was last year. Race's jumper has been inconsistent but he has still improved a lot. X before the dumb suspension looked like a brand new player. Tamar's shot hasn't been falling but he has looked much more comfortable on the floor. The defense has been much better. Nobody in their right mind thought this team was going to be a perfect championship contender so idk why people are acting like some of these issues weren't expected.

Love me some Gallo, his float game this season is much improved. Thinking of him in the starting lineup playing on the weak side if/when we get teams in rotation would be sweet to watch him attack the lane. I would love to see him develop a consistent shot in the off-season. He would be difficult to keep off the floor as another ball handler and all around player.

Love me some Race, too. I wish his jumper was there as that stretch 4 but it hasn't been consistent. I believe his 3PT% is about the same. He does bring it though. That's definitely a foundation.

I thought X was playing his best ball of the season with several all around games. He was keeping his head and making better decisions. Frustrating that he made a bad decision off the court.

Could you explain what you saw with Bates? I was hoping he'd be further along by now. We could have really used a scoring punch off the bench.

The defense has been better than last season, especially Trayce blocking shots. I'd like to see him being more selective there as we've given up second chance points to being a little over aggressive.

In my right and wrong mind, I never expected this team to be a championship contender on a national or conference level. I was hoping we would see progress in certain areas throughout the season. We have cleaned up turnovers a ton, so kudos for that. We have struggled with several players over helping which has led to too many clean looks for my liking. We've struggled with consistent shooting at the line and from behind the arc. I'm still trying to figure out why IU struggles so much at the line for the last 5+ years. We've struggled with rebounding.

We have player limitations, I get that and there is nothing that can be done mid-season with that. TJD isn't going to magically start stroking it from the outside, nor is Race. Kopp and P Stew aren't going to develop the ability to be play makers. They're not going to start defending at a high level either.

So what can be done? We can start scheming to get P Stew more open looks while relieving pressure on TJD in the post. Those cuts through the paint when the ball is entered into the post can be crisp and with purpose. The lineup can be altered slightly to have Gallo starting and Kopp coming off the bench. Have him on the weak side looking to attack when the ball is swung. We can start forcing teams to defend and rotate. The Arch offense of entering into the post and standing does not work. I think we can all agree to that. We need to be more dynamic. We have some of the pieces to do that but we don't do it consistently enough. NU killed us on the offensive glass. If we rebound just a few of those we give ourselves a chance in that game. There was a period early in the second half where they had 3-4 offensive rebounds and went on a scoring run that buried us. That can't happen and it's fundamentals not personnel issues.

We can and should be better at basic basketball. My hope for this season was that those would be improved upon. If those haven't improved we'll be looking to out talent teams in the future instead of creating a culture of fundamentals, e word, development, etc. Good teams have those and those can be instilled into a program. Not every program can go out and get top end talent every season.

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Looks like I heard was true, got caught not in the hotel rooms. 

 

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1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said:

Love me some Gallo, his float game this season is much improved. Thinking of him in the starting lineup playing on the weak side if/when we get teams in rotation would be sweet to watch him attack the lane. I would love to see him develop a consistent shot in the off-season. He would be difficult to keep off the floor as another ball handler and all around player.

Love me some Race, too. I wish his jumper was there as that stretch 4 but it hasn't been consistent. I believe his 3PT% is about the same. He does bring it though. That's definitely a foundation.

I thought X was playing his best ball of the season with several all around games. He was keeping his head and making better decisions. Frustrating that he made a bad decision off the court.

Could you explain what you saw with Bates? I was hoping he'd be further along by now. We could have really used a scoring punch off the bench.

The defense has been better than last season, especially Trayce blocking shots. I'd like to see him being more selective there as we've given up second chance points to being a little over aggressive.

In my right and wrong mind, I never expected this team to be a championship contender on a national or conference level. I was hoping we would see progress in certain areas throughout the season. We have cleaned up turnovers a ton, so kudos for that. We have struggled with several players over helping which has led to too many clean looks for my liking. We've struggled with consistent shooting at the line and from behind the arc. I'm still trying to figure out why IU struggles so much at the line for the last 5+ years. We've struggled with rebounding.

We have player limitations, I get that and there is nothing that can be done mid-season with that. TJD isn't going to magically start stroking it from the outside, nor is Race. Kopp and P Stew aren't going to develop the ability to be play makers. They're not going to start defending at a high level either.

So what can be done? We can start scheming to get P Stew more open looks while relieving pressure on TJD in the post. Those cuts through the paint when the ball is entered into the post can be crisp and with purpose. The lineup can be altered slightly to have Gallo starting and Kopp coming off the bench. Have him on the weak side looking to attack when the ball is swung. We can start forcing teams to defend and rotate. The Arch offense of entering into the post and standing does not work. I think we can all agree to that. We need to be more dynamic. We have some of the pieces to do that but we don't do it consistently enough. NU killed us on the offensive glass. If we rebound just a few of those we give ourselves a chance in that game. There was a period early in the second half where they had 3-4 offensive rebounds and went on a scoring run that buried us. That can't happen and it's fundamentals not personnel issues.

We can and should be better at basic basketball. My hope for this season was that those would be improved upon. If those haven't improved we'll be looking to out talent teams in the future instead of creating a culture of fundamentals, e word, development, etc. Good teams have those and those can be instilled into a program. Not every program can go out and get top end talent every season.

What I saw with Tamar was just looking more in control and comfortable on the floor. earlier in the season he seemed to be going at warp speed and making bad decisions I think the (on court lol) decision making has improved.

 

I really think the biggest adjustment that we can make this year to finish out strong is stop making the whole offense about getting Trayce the ball. The offense looks so much better when that isn't option A, B, and C. Not to say we shouldn't give him the ball he should still be option A but make it more fluid. I think if we can focus more on ball and player movement we will see huge improvements and I really think we can take 1 maybe even 2 of these next 3. MSU, UW, and OSU are not matchup nightmares for us I would be happy to win 1 of the 3 but I think we could sneak 1 of them on the road especially if we come out with our hair on fire this Saturday just saw the announcement that everyone is available to play.

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

54 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I was the one that added the All-Big 1.o level because even as a non-fan, I would love to see his potential realized while at IU. Double figure scoring while being efficient, taking care of the ball, rebounding for his position, and defending would be fantastic. The team next year will probably be extremely dependent on him.

Those are my correct expectations too and I think he will get to that level.

[IU_FanClub 1,857]

5 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Love me some Gallo, his float game this season is much improved. Thinking of him in the starting lineup playing on the weak side if/when we get teams in rotation would be sweet to watch him attack the lane. I would love to see him develop a consistent shot in the off-season. He would be difficult to keep off the floor as another ball handler and all around player.

Love me some Race, too. I wish his jumper was there as that stretch 4 but it hasn't been consistent. I believe his 3PT% is about the same. He does bring it though. That's definitely a foundation.

I thought X was playing his best ball of the season with several all around games. He was keeping his head and making better decisions. Frustrating that he made a bad decision off the court.

Could you explain what you saw with Bates? I was hoping he'd be further along by now. We could have really used a scoring punch off the bench.

The defense has been better than last season, especially Trayce blocking shots. I'd like to see him being more selective there as we've given up second chance points to being a little over aggressive.

In my right and wrong mind, I never expected this team to be a championship contender on a national or conference level. I was hoping we would see progress in certain areas throughout the season. We have cleaned up turnovers a ton, so kudos for that. We have struggled with several players over helping which has led to too many clean looks for my liking. We've struggled with consistent shooting at the line and from behind the arc. I'm still trying to figure out why IU struggles so much at the line for the last 5+ years. We've struggled with rebounding.

We have player limitations, I get that and there is nothing that can be done mid-season with that. TJD isn't going to magically start stroking it from the outside, nor is Race. Kopp and P Stew aren't going to develop the ability to be play makers. They're not going to start defending at a high level either.

So what can be done? We can start scheming to get P Stew more open looks while relieving pressure on TJD in the post. Those cuts through the paint when the ball is entered into the post can be crisp and with purpose. The lineup can be altered slightly to have Gallo starting and Kopp coming off the bench. Have him on the weak side looking to attack when the ball is swung. We can start forcing teams to defend and rotate. The Arch offense of entering into the post and standing does not work. I think we can all agree to that. We need to be more dynamic. We have some of the pieces to do that but we don't do it consistently enough. NU killed us on the offensive glass. If we rebound just a few of those we give ourselves a chance in that game. There was a period early in the second half where they had 3-4 offensive rebounds and went on a scoring run that buried us. That can't happen and it's fundamentals not personnel issues.

We can and should be better at basic basketball. My hope for this season was that those would be improved upon. If those haven't improved we'll be looking to out talent teams in the future instead of creating a culture of fundamentals, e word, development, etc. Good teams have those and those can be instilled into a program. Not every program can go out and get top end talent every season.

Also think some of the rebounding issues the other night had a lot to do with some of the insane bounces of Northwestern's bad misses as well as fatigue. I was at the game lol and they had some terrible misses where we had no shot at the rebound

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

4 minutes ago, IU_FanClub said:

What I saw with Tamar was just looking more in control and comfortable on the floor. earlier in the season he seemed to be going at warp speed and making bad decisions I think the (on court lol) decision making has improved.

 

I really think the biggest adjustment that we can make this year to finish out strong is stop making the whole offense about getting Trayce the ball. The offense looks so much better when that isn't option A, B, and C. Not to say we shouldn't give him the ball he should still be option A but make it more fluid. I think if we can focus more on ball and player movement we will see huge improvements and I really think we can take 1 maybe even 2 of these next 3. MSU, UW, and OSU are not matchup nightmares for us I would be happy to win 1 of the 3 but I think we could sneak 1 of them on the road especially if we come out with our hair on fire this Saturday just saw the announcement that everyone is available to play.

I'll have to watch Bates a little closer. He did look like he wanted to pull the trigger on several shots over the last handful of games but restrained from letting it go. I guess that is progress but I was hoping he'd be a little further along as a 5* frosh. 6-8 points off the bench with good defense would do wonders for this offensively challenged team.

It's pretty amazing to see some of the first halves (purdoodoo and Ill) where he played limited minutes and we found some success. I believe there are reasons for that, more than just a chance to the offense. However, I agree we need a more dynamic offense. It would be interesting to know why that isn't more of a focus. I guess it could be just a TJD thing like with Woody telling him to shoot jumpers more but him not doing it.

Arch and Co. took one up in East Lansing right? I guess if he can do it maybe this team could put together a spirited effort on Saturday and steal one. We'll definitely need all the wins we can get heading down the stretch.

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

12 minutes ago, IU_FanClub said:

What I saw with Tamar was just looking more in control and comfortable on the floor. earlier in the season he seemed to be going at warp speed and making bad decisions I think the (on court lol) decision making has improved.

 

I really think the biggest adjustment that we can make this year to finish out strong is stop making the whole offense about getting Trayce the ball. The offense looks so much better when that isn't option A, B, and C. Not to say we shouldn't give him the ball he should still be option A but make it more fluid. I think if we can focus more on ball and player movement we will see huge improvements and I really think we can take 1 maybe even 2 of these next 3. MSU, UW, and OSU are not matchup nightmares for us I would be happy to win 1 of the 3 but I think we could sneak 1 of them on the road especially if we come out with our hair on fire this Saturday just saw the announcement that everyone is available to play.

Hoosier Aloha was almost spot on with his comments above and yours follow up comments were accurate as well.

I would love to see a more motion type offense and I actually thought that is the type of O we would be playing.  I also would like to see less focus on forcing the ball into Trayce and get offense moving.  It wasn’t an accident that this team played well when TJD was on the bench in foul trouble in the Purdue and 1st half of the Illinois game because there was more moving and less standing around waiting for Trayce to make a move or decision.  I think we will be limited because of TJD’s game is all inside and hasn’t really showed any signs of being able to step out and make mid range shots.  Because of those limitations we are very limited offensively.

I think we’ll see more movement offensively in year 2.

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17 minutes ago, IU_FanClub said:

Also think some of the rebounding issues the other night had a lot to do with some of the insane bounces of Northwestern's bad misses as well as fatigue. I was at the game lol and they had some terrible misses where we had no shot at the rebound

I get some of the misses being insane bounces. There were a few that were bad misses and our defender had no idea the shot went up. That just can't happen. In our typical starting lineup, we have two spots that struggle to rebound and I wish that would change.

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1 minute ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Hoosier Aloha was almost spot on with his comments above and yours follow up comments were accurate as well.

I would love to see a more motion type offense and I actually thought that is the type of O we would be playing.  I also would like to see less focus on forcing the ball into Trayce and get offense moving.  It wasn’t an accident that this team played well when TJD was on the bench in foul trouble in the Purdue and 1st half of the Illinois game because there was more moving and less standing around waiting for Trayce to make a move or decision.  I think we will be limited because of TJD’s game is all inside and hasn’t really showed any signs of being able to step out and make mid range shots.  Because of those limitations we are very limited offensively.

I think we’ll see more movement offensively in year 2.

I don't think we even need to go full motion offense this season, a little movement will go a long way. What is concerning is we've seen this for how many games now? What has changed? This should have been addressed early in the season so we would be seeing that slightly more dynamic offense. We haven't seen that. Why? Those are the small adjustments a good program makes throughout the season. We still watch Trayce go full one on the whole world too often. It worked against smaller, less physically gifted noncon opponents and teams that didn't scout us all that great. It even worked against some lesser Big 1.o opponents or ones finding their legs after a COVID pause.

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16 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I'll have to watch Bates a little closer. He did look like he wanted to pull the trigger on several shots over the last handful of games but restrained from letting it go. I guess that is progress but I was hoping he'd be a little further along as a 5* frosh. 6-8 points off the bench with good defense would do wonders for this offensively challenged team.

It's pretty amazing to see some of the first halves (purdoodoo and Ill) where he played limited minutes and we found some success. I believe there are reasons for that, more than just a chance to the offense. However, I agree we need a more dynamic offense. It would be interesting to know why that isn't more of a focus. I guess it could be just a TJD thing like with Woody telling him to shoot jumpers more but him not doing it.

Arch and Co. took one up in East Lansing right? I guess if he can do it maybe this team could put together a spirited effort on Saturday and steal one. We'll definitely need all the wins we can get heading down the stretch.

I also really just don't see this MSU team as one that is going to overwhelm us with skill. They are a classic gritty Izzo team that just wins. If we can match their intensity and get a few bounces to go our way I don't think it's unrealistic that we win.

[IU_FanClub 1,857]

7 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I get some of the misses being insane bounces. There were a few that were bad misses and our defender had no idea the shot went up. That just can't happen. In our typical starting lineup, we have two spots that struggle to rebound and I wish that would change.

Yeah for sure we gotta be better with that stuff. I do think Galloway starts now at least I hope he does

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