IUBB Recruit Rankings

[Stuhoo]

41 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Eh, I mean Calipari has won 25+ games in 4 of the last 5 seasons. Won the SEC once, finished second two times. Two sweet 16s and one elite eight (with the tournament being canceled one of those five seasons). 

26-8; 9-16; 25-6; 30-7; and 26-11. 

Is that winning big? I guess it depends on one’s definition. IU has won 25 games twice in the past decade, and four times in the last 19 years. Folks don’t like Calipari’s ways, but he’s been in the elite eight in half of his seasons at Kentucky. I’d rather have to out talent a team using mediocre coaching than out coach a team using mediocre talent.

Don't get me wrong - he wins a lot of games.

My point was more that in the past five years he has grossly underachieved compared to the five star and NBA talent on his roster. During that time period he has had:

• Herro
• Quickley
• Keldon Johnson
• PJ Washington
• Maxey
• Tshiebwie
  • and a bunch of others that have been on NBA rosters for a minute

Every single one of those last five years he started the season as a pre-season top ten team, and every single time he finished it out of the top ten, with only one Elite 8.

[Hoosierfan2017]

50 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Don't get me wrong - he wins a lot of games.

My point was more that in the past five years he has grossly underachieved compared to the five star and NBA talent on his roster. During that time period he has had:

• Herro
• Quickley
• Keldon Johnson
• PJ Washington
• Maxey
• Tshiebwie
  • and a bunch of others that have been on NBA rosters for a minute

Every single one of those last five years he started the season as a pre-season top ten team, and every single time he finished it out of the top ten, with only one Elite 8.

There are definitely coaches who could get more out of the rosters he’s had than he did. But I’m not sure how many of those coaches could land the level of talent that he does. Seemingly every year he’s getting a top 2 class. 

To not get too far off topic, we’ve made offers to 13 of the top 30 kids in the 2024 class. Calipari, going off his history, will land 3-4 of those 30 kids. I’d love for IU to get to a point where we’re doing the same thing.

[Stuhoo]

6 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

There are definitely coaches who could get more out of the rosters he’s had than he did. But I’m not sure how many of those coaches could land the level of talent that he does. Seemingly every year he’s getting a top 2 class. 

To not get too far off topic, we’ve made offers to 13 of the top 30 kids in the 2024 class. Calipari, going off his history, will land 3-4 of those 30 kids. I’d love for IU to get to a point where we’re doing the same thing.

True for sure. But here's more to it than that. Yes, he's gotten enough talent to win 20-something almost every year. But that's at the cost of a roster that largely and overwhelmingly has little connection to the university, does not produce any UK graduates, and feels like a temporary gang of mercenaries.

To Calipari's credit, last year (and this coming year) he has a much less 'quick pass through' roster. Of course, without a team of one and dones he'll need to coach them a little. Last year with a more experienced roster he finished third in the SEC, and got bounced by St. Peter's in the round of 64. He can either have overwhelming too young talent, or try to coach the guys that stay... with Bruiser lol.

[HoosierAloha]

Let’s not kid ourselves, we wouldn’t know what to do with ourselves if we had those results over the past 5 seasons. Woody would have a lifetime contract with a few Sweet 16s and an Elite 8, winning the Big 1.o and a few second place finishes.


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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Update from Rivals on the '24 class.  Included the latest from 247 since there's is just a week old.

 

	Top 90 @ 09.14.22		Top 150  @ 9/21/22
2024 OFFERS	247		Rivals	+ / -
Flory Bidunga	4		2	4
Naas Cunningham	3		4	-2
Airious "Ace" Bailey	15		5	2
Asa Newell	6		6	13
Bryson Tucker	18		7	-3
Boogie Fland	12		9	1
Dylan Harper	5		10	7
Yves Missi	23		11	1
Dink Pate	28		18	3
Liam McNeeley	22		25	2
James Brown	27		29	2
Derik Queen	17		30	-8
Derrion Reid	46		33	New
Paul McNeil, Jr.	32		38	-8
Jaeden Mustaf	35		42	30
Khani Rooths	29		45	20
Aiden Sherrell	55		49	1
Tyler Betsy	68		58	New
Raleigh Burgess	137		93	27
Jonathan Powell	98		112	-69
William Jobe	Unrated		Unrated	N.A.
Jesse McCullough	91		Unrated	N.A.
Caleb Williams	135		Unrated	N.A.
Dennis Scott III	Unrated		Unrated	N.A.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

First ever ranking by 247 for the '25 class.     FWIW, Malachi Moreno who will attend Hoosier Hysteria is #45.

		1st Ever Top 75 @ 09.29.22
2025 OFFERS		247
Koa Peat		3
Bryson Tiller		4
Darryn Peterson		6
Meleek Thomas		7
Christopher Mikel Brown		8
Caleb Wilson		9
Jalen Haralson		10
Trey McKenney		22
Trent Sisley		50
Akai Fleming		61

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Latest on the '24 Class from On3

	Top 150 @ 10.03.22	Change
2024 OFFERS	On3
Dylan Harper	2	3
Flory Bidunga	4	-1
Asa Newell	5	6
Yves Missi	6	7
Airious "Ace" Bailey	7	-1
Boogie Fland	10	-1
Naas Cunningham	12	-8
Bryson Tucker	13	-5
Tyler Betsy	19	40
Liam McNeeley	20	-2
Derik Queen	26	-9
Dink Pate	35	5
Rakease Passmore	36	5
Khani Rooths	40	-1
Jaeden Mustaf	45	8
Aiden Sherrell	51	-7
Derrion Reid	59	-14
Caleb Williams	80	33
Jonathan Powell	85	4
Raleigh Burgess	88	31
Paul McNeil, Jr.	92	-60
Jesse McCullough	105	18
Gicarri Harris	140	-28
William Jobe	142	8
Dennis Scott III	Unrated

[Stuhoo]

William Jobe enters the mix!!

That is an underrated 'good to see' because there are some serious IU connections there. I so hope that young Mr. Jobe turns into a fast riser.

Also good to see Raleigh Burgess getting love - seems like we are in a good position with him.

 

[Demo]

55 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

William Jobe enters the mix!!

That is an underrated 'good to see' because there are some serious IU connections there. I so hope that young Mr. Jobe turns into a fast riser.

Also good to see Raleigh Burgess getting love - seems like we are in a good position with him.

 

Every single time I’ve gotten to watch Burgess I like him more. He’s gonna be such a useful piece for a winning team.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

ESPN's Top 60 in the '24 Class:

2.  Dylan Harper

4.  Flory Bidunga

5.  Bryson Tucker

8.  Boogie Fland

9.  Derik Queen

10.  Liam McNeeley

17.  Paul McNeil

18.  Asa Newell

19.  Naas Cunningham

31.  Aiden Sherrill

42.  Khani Rooths

53.  Tyler Betsey

57.  Somto Cyril

60. Jaeden Mustaf 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

ESPN's Top 25 in the '25 Class:

3.  Koa Peat

4.  Meleek Thomas

5.  Darryn Peterson

6.  Bryson Tiller

7.  Jalan Haralson

8. Caleb Wilson

18.  Trey McKenney

25.  Mikel Brown, Jr.

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Updated '24 rankings from 247

2 - Dylan Harper

3 - Flory Bidunga

8 - Derik Queen

13 - Boogie Fland

14 - Liam McNeeley

20 - Asa Newell

23 - Bryson Tucker

25 - Somto Cyril

26 - Tyler Betsey

31 - Jaeden Mustaf

44 - Rakease Passmore

86 - Travis Perry

88 - Jesse McCulloch

98 - Jonathan Powell

110 - Gicarri Harris

135 - Caleb Williams

137 - Raleigh Burgess

 

 

[Stuhoo]

1 minute ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Updated '24 rankings from 247

2 - Dylan Harper

3 - Flory Bidunga

8 - Derik Queen

13 - Boogie Fland

14 - Liam McNeeley

20 - Asa Newell

23 - Bryson Tucker

25 - Somto Cyril

26 - Tyler Betsey

31 - Jaeden Mustaf

44 - Rakease Passmore

86 - Travis Perry

88 - Jesse McCulloch

98 - Jonathan Powell

110 - Gicarri Harris

137 - Raleigh Burgess

 

 

Give me

• a number 2,
• a number 3,
• a number 14,
• a 20,
• an 86,
• a 137,
• and a side of 'beat the stuffing out of everyone.'

[craigyv88]

We only took a look as he quickly committed to toilet making, but Kanon Catchings rose 100 spots with this update to #17 and 5-star status.  I really wish he would have kept his recruitment open longer.      

[WayneFleekHoosier]

1 hour ago, craigyv88 said:

We only took a look as he quickly committed to toilet making, but Kanon Catchings rose 100 spots with this update to #17 and 5-star status.  I really wish he would have kept his recruitment open longer.      

wow.  This was good on Painter here.  

[WayneFleekHoosier]

2 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Give me

• a number 2,
• a number 3,
• a number 14,
• a 20,
• an 86,
• a 137,
• and a side of 'beat the stuffing out of everyone.'

3 in '23.  

2, 14, 20, 86 in '24.  I think #2 is almost a no shot though tbh.  

[Crimson and Cream]

8 hours ago, craigyv88 said:

We only took a look as he quickly committed to toilet making, but Kanon Catchings rose 100 spots with this update to #17 and 5-star status.  I really wish he would have kept his recruitment open longer.      

He looked every bit the part when they came to Kokomo a few months ago

[Hoosierfanyuh]

I dont think rankings hold much weight til they’re updated during aau season in my opinion. D1 players should be standing out vs non d1 athletes. The only players I’d say have accurate ranks right now are the players playing in the NIBC

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Rivals will release its full updated '24 rankings later this week but today released its ranking of 5-stars in the '24 class.

#2 - Flory Bidunga

#3 - Dylan Harper

#6 - Bryson Tucker

#7 - Liam McNeeley

#8 - Asa Newell

#9 - Boogie Fland

#13 - Dink Pate

#14 - Tyler Betsey

 

[Stuhoo]

19 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Rivals will release its full updated '24 rankings later this week but today released its ranking of 5-stars in the '24 class.

#2 - Flory Bidunga

#3 - Dylan Harper

#6 - Bryson Tucker

#7 - Liam McNeeley

#8 - Asa Newell

#9 - Boogie Fland

#13 - Dink Pate

#14 - Tyler Betsey

 

I think it is safe to say that we are aiming high lol.

We may have to rename or sell campus buildings and highways leading into Bloomington to get enough NIL for that list.