Mike Woodson to be next IUBB coach. Thad Matta to be associate AD

[CSP]

3 minutes ago, Me So Hornsby said:

Put names on the jerseys, redesign the jerseys(keep tradition but update), put some more money in Cook Hall, rearrange the student section, and hang a couple banners.


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What more money do we need to put in Cook Hall? No names on jerseys. 

[Homer]

44 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

A bison? 

No **** bison! 

[Me So Hornsby]

What more money do we need to put in Cook Hall? No names on jerseys. 

College basketball facilities are an arms race. There is always money needed to put into places like Cook Hall


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[str8baller]

7 hours ago, Shoes_N_Shorts said:

Not directing this at you personally, but I see this take everywhere. 
1. Davis took those players farther than Knight himself ever did. There is a lot to be said for letting players play and grow in confidence. 
 

2. Davis recruited the hell out of those guys, especially Newton and Moye among others. They were just as much his guys as Knight’s, maybe moreso. 
 

I encourage anyone who hasn’t yet to listen to A.J. Guyton’s interview with him. Those players loved Mike Davis.

*end rant
 

I don’t think you understood “the take,” or else you wouldn’t have felt compelled to interject such a misguided Davis defense.  
 

Davis took over a program and roster built by Knight, had some immediate success for which he gets credit, and then drove the program off the ledge when he was fully responsible for everything. Same with the chap who followed Dean Smith. Thus the parallel drawn. 
 

This was all in the context of the discussion of great programs not being immune from bad hires. 

[CSP]

1 minute ago, Me So Hornsby said:

 

College basketball facilities are an arms race. There is always money needed to put into places like Cook Hall


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So you don't know? just a random thought? lol 

Why would you think they aren't already doing that? 

[Feathery]

14 minutes ago, Me So Hornsby said:

Put names on the jerseys, redesign the jerseys(keep tradition but update), put some more money in Cook Hall, rearrange the student section, and hang a couple banners.


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The Big Ten Tournament uniforms from maybe Yogi’s senior year were fantastic and should be our standard jersey. Cream home and Crimson away. The crap the players wear right now is terrible. 

[Me So Hornsby]

So you don't know? just a random thought? lol 
Why would you think they aren't already doing that? 

I know that our facilities are extreme nice, but as others have said they are not in the top 5 or even top 10 in the country. Don’t you think that we should be in that top 10 range? We are one of the premier basketball programs. Shouldn’t we act like one?


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[Me So Hornsby]

The Big Ten Tournament uniforms from maybe Yogi’s senior year were fantastic and should be our standard jersey. Cream home and Crimson away. The crap the players wear right now is terrible. 

Yep. Loved those jerseys!


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[str8baller]

19 minutes ago, Hoosierfan222 said:

His ability to contribute will be limited since he’s not an on staff coach. We will still have the three assistants with Woodson.

Per NCAA rules, I believe that means he’s not allowed to offer any in-person instruction to players at practice nor is he allowed to go on recruiting visits but he can participate in recruiting visits to IU.

I would assume most of his role is acting in an advisory capacity to Woodson to help him adjust to college and help with recruiting visits to Bloomington. 

Just an assumption, but if Mattas back is still that bad a bunch of on court stuff and recruiting traveling is probably the thing he’s trying to avoid. 

[Ghost of Rick Majerus]

I fail to understand the guys that are absolutely hating this hire and calling it a failure. No coaching hire is a sure thing. 4 years ago, Archie Miller was lauded as they fail-proof hire. Some commentators saw no way he would fail. How did that turn out?

Coach Woodson has some incredible knowledge and experience that I think these parents and recruits are going to be drawn toward. The only "lack of college experience" aspect that should concern is recruiting, but with some A+ assistants, there is nothing to worry about. Not to mention the Thad Matta angle. I still don't fully understand what he can/cannot do, but I have no doubt it will be a positive impact.

[jmsgws]

8 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

but as an 16-18 year old. The cut of our uniforms isn’t what kids want.  

 

 Please find me one kid that went to college based on the cut of their uniform.  Young men playing basketball are not doing so to major in fashion design.  Are there some kinds in the past that went to a school because it was Nike, or Adidas?  Sure.  Isn't that what a good portion of the FBI investigation is about?  

 

[CSP]

4 minutes ago, Me So Hornsby said:

 

I know that our facilities are extreme nice, but as others have said they are not in the top 5 or even top 10 in the country. Don’t you think that we should be in that top 10 range? We are one of the premier basketball programs. Shouldn’t we act like one?


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Have you not seen the locker room? 

And who is they? 

[Papacap]

8 hours ago, Hardwood83 said:

This wasn't directed to me, but since I'm of a similar opinion I'll respond. It's not that I think Woodson can't______________. Who knows? He's never done ________________. He's spent his entire career in the NBA. That knowledge might translate, it might not. Spin it however you want his HC record is not stellar (.463). Oh, yeah, he's old too. My primary disappointment is not that I hate Woodson, it's that I think there were so many better options. Guys that are currently coaching in the NCAA. Guys that have a proven record of doing what we want them to do. Not hoping and wishing- but past performance indicating they will continue to succeed. Why didn't we hire an assistant from the Phoenix Suns or T-Wolves, surely one of their guys knows b-ball! We all know why, Woodson got the job because he's an IU letterman. Now we HOPE that "passion" and "understanding" magically turns into wins. I find that to be a 3rd grade mentality, pure fantasy. Hire someone that has shown they can do the job, not who you want it to be. I don't care if this is Woodson's "dream job." I wanna be an astronaut. Neither of us is qualified. Tell me he's the best guy for the job? Top 3? No, no one believes that. Definition of settling. Hugely disappointing. 

I’m not saying you are wrong in your feelings. Because let’s face it, there is a huge subjective/emotional component to this. There are few coaches we could get that we could say, this is the guy who will get us where we need to be. Drew, Beard, Oats, Musselman....all of the coaches like those have their own question marks. I can see why someone would want them ahead of Woodson, but they are no where near sure things. 

Best guy for the job? I think Stevens was. But once you get past pipe dreams like Donovan, Wright or Bennett, the variance of outcomes becomes too great to say who’s the better choice.

I’ll put it this way. I can see why someone would rather have Beard (or a college coach like him). What I can’t see is the argument that he would clearly outperform Woodson as HC of Indiana. That’s no where near a given to me. So going a different direction than the shiny new coach seems like a valid strategy this time. If folks are disappointed, I get it. But the level of angst I’m seeing from some people makes no sense to me.

[Banksyrules]

I don’t think facilities is an issue with us.  I go inside Duke and UNC facilities all the time... we are way better than Duke and on par with UNC. UNC though self promotes (highlight their alumni, art work, marketing) a ton more though. 

[DWB]

4 minutes ago, Me So Hornsby said:

 

I know that our facilities are extreme nice, but as others have said they are not in the top 5 or even top 10 in the country. Don’t you think that we should be in that top 10 range? We are one of the premier basketball programs. Shouldn’t we act like one?


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How about we start with upgrading our mental aspects on winning before we add more $$ to the physical facilities? Unless you can change the size and placement of the hoop, facilities are not a top priority in my book. Many successful entities do a great job without having Taj-Mahal facilities.

[jmsgws]

6 minutes ago, Me So Hornsby said:

 

I know that our facilities are extreme nice, but as others have said they are not in the top 5 or even top 10 in the country. Don’t you think that we should be in that top 10 range? We are one of the premier basketball programs. Shouldn’t we act like one?


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No, because those facilities rankings ebb and flow.  You build them when you need to build them, not just to keep up.  Build them then update as needed.  

[Golfman25]

8 hours ago, BadgerVol said:

I see A LOT more question marks, unknowns, and points of GRAVE concern with Woodson at the hire than with Crean AND Archie.

That’s just silly.  Woodson is a more accomplished coach than Crean and Archie combined.  I get that he hasn’t been involved in college and hasn’t recruited, but it’s basketball not rocket science.  I think the guy comes with a lot of credibility and recruits would be fools not to at least listen.  

[Me So Hornsby]

 Please find me one kid that went to college based on the cut of their uniform.  Young men playing basketball are not doing so to major in fashion design.  Are there some kinds in the past that went to a school because it was Nike, or Adidas?  Sure.  Isn't that what a good portion of the FBI investigation is about?  

 

Boy if you don’t think the way jerseys look and how cool kids will look in them have any effect on recruits I don’t know what to tell you. The look matters. Maybe not the most important thing, but it matters


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[Me So Hornsby]

How about we start with upgrading our mental aspects on winning before we add more $$ to the physical facilities? Unless you can change the size and placement of the hoop, facilities are not a top priority in my book. Many successful entities do a great job without having Taj-Mahal facilities.

Listen I’m not saying we need to tear down and start over, but continuing to show that we are committed to our facilities is important


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[CS2]

As much as I like Fred and the many positive things he accomplished in his tenure, he was not a Football or Basketball man. He is a brilliant lawyer, a skilled funraiser with massive connections and as big an IU guy as there is. What he wasn't is an athletics guy and it showed in his handling of the MBB program...the flagship. Hiring and firing D1 coaches was OTJ training for him.

What Scott, who by the way is at least somewhat connected to the program as a former Manager and working around the joint since Knight, seems to understand is that even he is not a Basketball man nor a former coach who has hired and fired other coaches.

Scott not only has the stones to pull the trigger on Miller despite pandemic optics, potential backlash from the BOT and with a new POTU coming on board but he also has the self awareness to bring in a Basketball man as AAD.

These two men and whomever they hire, may or may not be able to elevate the program back to it's national level and I will let the mouthbreathers jump to those conclusions...but I do like Scott's obvious self-awarenes and willingness to bridge that gap with Matta.

Best wishes...and Go IU!!!