Ooooook who’s your # 2?

[NVFalcons1990 359]

Coaches under Thad Matta:

Sean Miller, Archie Miller, Brad Stevens, Todd Lickliter, John Groce.  All have had some success out on their own, again these looked better in 2017 vs 2021. 

You can't argue that Matta can't coach, we need him to hire or keep a great recruiter.

[Trish 11,618]

4 minutes ago, NVFalcons1990 said:

Thad Matta, you're the next man up and I think that would be a good hire if he's healthy 

The board knows my stance on Matta. Extremely risky, too much to risk. We're looking for a new coach in 2025 in my opinion. 

[NVFalcons1990 359]

19 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

Didn't TTU finish behind UT this year? The optics of paying $20 million in buyouts in that scenario isn't great. I get it was only one year, but that would still be a very aggressive move.

Just look at Shaka's NCAA success at Texas vs Beard at Texas Tech and tell me why Texas isn't at least contemplating it.

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Just now, Treesh said:

The board knows my stance on Matta. Extremely risky, too much to risk. We're looking for a new coach in 2025 in my opinion. 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this based essentially on his lack of recruiting from his past 4 years sitting out for his health? I know you would have been ok with Stevens, he hasn't recruited in 8 seasons now. I'd rather we go after Beard and have him say no first, but Matta as a 5th option or whatever it would be, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

[NVFalcons1990 359]

1 minute ago, Treesh said:

The board knows my stance on Matta. Extremely risky, too much to risk. We're looking for a new coach in 2025 in my opinion. 

Why 2025...he's only 53?  Look at his Wikipedia and tell me he isn't a winner.  His winning percentage is .740 and that includes his last 2 years where he could barely stand or walk. 

Rumor is he is healthy now after his last back surgery. I will take a coach with Indiana ties with a .740 winning % all day long!

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1 minute ago, Treesh said:

The board knows my stance on Matta. Extremely risky, too much to risk. We're looking for a new coach in 2025 in my opinion. 

Depends on his health. Which is supposedly better than it was made to be when OSU parted ways. He would possibly be the coach longer than 5 years because he is only 53 but there is risk.

[Trish 11,618]

Just now, kreigh8 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this based essentially on his lack of recruiting from his past 4 years sitting out for his health? I know you would have been ok with Stevens, he hasn't recruited in 8 seasons now. I'd rather we go after Beard and have him say no first, but Matta as a 5th option or whatever it would be, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

His lack of recruiting and coaching in general. Stevens has been out the game for eight years in college, but lets be honest. All he has to say is "I coached Tatum, Brown, Irving, Hayward, Horford, etc". 

His lack of recruiting is very concerning. Yes he can always hire people but has he kept up with his coaching networking? A lack of coaching is even more concerning. The game continues to change in styles. The B1G is different when he last coached. Lastly, his O$U teams were on a downwards trend in his last couple years. 

 

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23 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Not for nothing, but Anthony Leal would be a freaking superstar playing for Porter Moser.

Imagine Jordan Geronimo unleashed on both ends in Moses’s system

[Indiana8585 129]

I know Texas has boatloads of athletic department revenue etc but they just fired Tom Herman who they now owe $15 million and his staff another $9million. That doesn’t include the money for the Sark deal either so I have a hard time believing they’re going to pay 20 something million just to buyout Beard on top of the contract they’d have to offer. 

[Trish 11,618]

2 minutes ago, NVFalcons1990 said:

Why 2025...he's only 53?  Look at his Wikipedia and tell me he isn't a winner.  His winning percentage is .740 and that includes his last 2 years where he could barely stand or walk. 

Rumor is he is healthy now after his last back surgery. I will take a coach with Indiana ties with a .740 winning % all day long!

This is Indiana. We fired Crean because he couldn't get us a to a final four or banner. We fired Archie because he couldn't win. Matta hasn't coached a big time game since I was a freshman in college.

We're looking for a coach in 2025 because he won't lead us to a final four or banner. If we're going to hire a coach to just win and get us to a first round each year then.. wow. The media is indeed right. Indiana is not Indiana.

[NVFalcons1990 359]

Matta overall 439-154 (.740)

1 yr at Butler 24-8 (.750) round of 32

3 yrs. at Xavier 78-23 (.772) Elite 8, rd 32, rd 32

13 yrs at Ohio State 337-123 (.733) NCAA runner-up, Final 4, Elite 8, two sweet 16's, 2 rd of 32, 2 rd 64, NIT Champ, NIT rd 2, only missed Tourney all together in his final year.

[Stuhoo 81,247]

3 minutes ago, Treesh said:

This is Indiana. We fired Crean because he couldn't get us a to a final four or banner. We fired Archie because he couldn't win. Matta hasn't coached a big time game since I was a freshman in college.

We're looking for a coach in 2025 because he won't lead us to a final four or banner. If we're going to hire a coach to just win and get us to a first round each year then.. wow. The media is indeed right. Indiana is not Indiana.

Give it up Treesh.

Do you really think waiting one year, five years, or 25 years will all of the sudden make Brad Stevens or Billy Donovan want to coach at IU? If you do, tell me what will be different next March.

We need a coach...now.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,538]

5 minutes ago, Treesh said:

This is Indiana. We fired Crean because he couldn't get us a to a final four or banner. We fired Archie because he couldn't win. Matta hasn't coached a big time game since I was a freshman in college.

We're looking for a coach in 2025 because he won't lead us to a final four or banner. If we're going to hire a coach to just win and get us to a first round each year then.. wow. The media is indeed right. Indiana is not Indiana.

 I know you have your reservations about Matta but I fully expect whoever we pick to be a worse hire than Matta would’ve been. 

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45 minutes ago, MemphisHoosier said:

Same, just checked my bank account as well - still broke ; )

I was broke and got a $1400 stimulus check.  Now I’m broke but with $1400 worth of  “It’s Steven’s Time!” crimson and cream t-shirts to unload.

[iu-dl 1,470]

Don't know who my #2 is, but give me any guy that can get his team to play as hard as Loyola Chicago and I'm ALL in. Out size, out talented, out everything versus IL....except determination and heart.

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52 minutes ago, NVFalcons1990 said:

Really would not be shocked if Texas moves off Shaka Smart and goes all in on Beard since it is his supposed 'dream job'.

I really thought Shaka would do well at Texas.  I think that Texas won’t be his last major job.

[NVFalcons1990 359]

To me you go all out on our dream coaches then go down a tier:

Tier 1: Brad Stevens, Billy Donovan, Jay Wright, Tony Bennett, Mark Few, Bill Self

Tier 2: Chris Beard, Nate Oates, Scott Drew, Eric Musselman, Mike White, Andy Enfield, Mick Cronin, Mike Boynton, Porter Moser, Chris Mack 

Tier 3: Thad Matta, John Beilein, Rick Pitino, Steve Alford, Steve Lavin, Mark Pope, Dane Fife, Calbert Cheaney, Scott Skikes, Mike Woodson

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1 minute ago, NVFalcons1990 said:

To me you go all out on our dream coaches then go down a tier:

Tier 1: Brad Stevens, Billy Donovan, Jay Wright, Tony Bennett, Mark Few, Bill Self

Tier 2: Chris Beard, Nate Oates, Scott Drew, Eric Musselman, Mike White, Andy Enfield, Mick Cronin, Mike Boynton, Porter Moser, Chris Mack 

Tier 3: Thad Matta, John Beilein, Rick Pitino, Steve Alford, Steve Lavin, Mark Pope, Dane Fife, Calbert Cheaney, Scott Skikes, Mike Woodson

My proposal is that if you can’t get anything from Tier 2, we have a year where we have an interim manager. This is a hire that we should be comfortable with.

[NVFalcons1990 359]

1 minute ago, NVFalcons1990 said:

To me you go all out on our dream coaches then go down a tier:

Tier 1: Brad Stevens, Billy Donovan, Jay Wright, Tony Bennett, Mark Few, Bill Self

Tier 2: Chris Beard, Nate Oates, Scott Drew, Eric Musselman, Mike White, Andy Enfield, Mick Cronin, Mike Boynton, Porter Moser, Chris Mack 

Tier 3: Thad Matta, John Beilein, Rick Pitino, Steve Alford, Steve Lavin, Mark Pope, Dane Fife, Calbert Cheaney, Scott Skikes, Mike Woodson

Steve Lavin, I was shocked over some of his success.....

226-133 (.630), 4 sweet 16's and an Elite 8, also thought he was older, but only 56.

[Trish 11,618]

11 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Give it up Treesh.

Do you really think waiting one year, five years, or 25 years will all of the sudden make Brad Stevens or Billy Donovan want to coach at IU? If you do, tell me what will be different next March.

We need a coach...now.

Ask me a year from now when Tatum is not on the Celtics!