General Coach Candidate News

[Hoosierfan2017 24,500]

1 hour ago, hoosierpap said:

With the exception of two home runs which I think we're on about an 0-2 count with...program perception is going to be increased through results. I, frankly, don't care about program perception just need reality. You may point to program perception and tie it to recruiting, thus results, but program perception is one of many-mild influences- on recruiting.

Yeah, love Cheaney and all but I agree- it's ridiculous.

I will say, I think your comparison between Archie and Moser is fairly lazy. They're actually very different coaches with very different systems, experience, personalities. You are correct they are coming from mid major but that's about all I can get down with. 

I don't know Moser's system (honestly not sure if I even knew what Archie's system was supposed to be) or personality, so I defer to you on that. All I have to go off is his on-paper resume, and I have a lot of concerns about it. I'm not sure, at least on paper, that he'd be any better than Crean or Miller.  His past 4 years have been quite good for Loyola, but his previous 13 years not so much. Would we be getting the Moser of the past four years, the Moser of the 13 previous years, or something in between? I dunno. I think it comes down to how much risk people are willing to take, and also if any of the 'name' guys are options. 

[IU Prof 2,198]

SIAP 

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/an-indiana-boosters-10-million-for-a-new-coach-shows-money-talks-but-when-players-walk-is-it-worth-it/?fbclid=IwAR3Ja-JsC7avHiA5jc_bYPfdOdV5s9gsHugQcxAxITkNjOWdr-NL2YZ3Ri8

 

 

 

 

[Trish 14,399]

I don’t think we’ll find out tomorrow or Saturday. 
 

Archie hire leaked on a Saturday morning though. 

[Gnet550 1,017]

3 minutes ago, ISP said:

Haven't heard anything back yet from that particular guy. I’ll gladly report back when I do, I’m a masochist.

I hear you, just wondered if there was an update....appreciate ya

[PB1230 502]

2 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

Devils advocate: The only people who disagree with the national media are IU fans. Maybe they are right. If they are right, how does the school change/fix it? We are really arrogant as a collective fanbase. No one thinks Indiana Basketball is relevant nationally other than us. 

Is IU still one of the top programs in the country - no. Is IU still one of the best jobs in the country - yes, because the perception of the program will turn on a dime if you start winning because everything else is already built in and establish

[Unexpectedflash 1,641]

Just now, Treesh said:

I don’t think we’ll find out tomorrow or Saturday. 
 

Archie hire leaked on a Saturday morning though. 

I hope we don’t find out until next weekend. Elite 8 is done Tuesday so maybe we would start hearing so more rumors about tourney coaches after that.

[IUc2016 7,121]

One lets their assistants use private jets for recruiting without the head coach and the other doesn’t.   The top programs in the game are jealous of some of the stuff Marquette coaches get to do 

That is a very specific perk. I said IU would be able to pay more, not sure how assistants on private jets changes that


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[MemphisHoosier 2,329]

12 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

One gets football money the other does not.


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*One is a football school ; )

[Unexpectedflash 1,641]

Maybe I’m naive but there is no way Marquette is a better job. They lost Buzz Williams to the basketball powerhouse that is Virginia Tech. Tom Crean left them for us. Once we get the right coach we instantly jump back to being a top 5 job again. It’s easy to pile on because we’ve been bad for 20 years.

[rcbowla 8,187]

Lol why? Are you the one paying the buyout?


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I think it's a huge hindrance to getting him. At that point you are talking $22M total in buyouts plus assuming at least $5M for new contract. That's a huge amount to get a coach. Not saying it can't happen or won't but to me I think he is very unlikely for those reasons. He'd be awesome though I think.

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[iubb 4,644]

Hopefully we dont find out who the new IU couch is tomorrow as that means we wont like it (friday night news dump)

[CrimsonV 112]

20 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Hey guys...perception is part of reality. Learn to live with it. If Dolson finds the right guy and we win, the perception changes.

The national media believes that Indiana is a more interesting, and yes, better college football program right now than Nebraska. I AGREE. Nebraska football fans would think that is laughable. It goes both ways.

100% see your point and Loyola Chicago may be more “interesting “ right now as the flavor of the month.

But no team in the Missouri Valley is a better gig than Indiana in the Big Ten. They have a very long way to show me they can even sniff what Gonzaga is doing.

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,650]

Very good joke. 
Fixer Upper is better and based in Waco though :) 

Hometown is better

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[rcbowla 8,187]

Just caught Around the Horn bit on Porter Moser to Indiana.  
3 out of 4 panelists (the other didn't say either way) said he shouldn't leave for IU if offered and Loyola was a better job. 
Plaschke also said IU is no longer a blue blood and no one wants to go there anymore. lol
The barrage from national media continues
 

Yet they are talking about the IU job on their show. Did they ask about Oklahoma or Marquette?

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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,650]

Might've been worth keep Archie around for a few more games. We'll see. 

Lol

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[Uspshoosier 53,451]

6 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

That is a very specific perk. I said IU would be able to pay more, not sure how assistants on private jets changes that


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If Marquette is willing to throw money for their assistants when Duke and Kentucky don’t then I’m saying they will have no problem throwing money at a guy they want.  Marquette can match dollar for dollar with any program not just IU 

[HoosierTrav 8,289]

Just now, PB1230 said:

Is IU still one of the top programs in the country - no. Is IU still one of the best jobs in the country - yes, because the perception of the program will turn on a dime if you start winning because everything else is already built in and establish

But guys who are proven have no real incentive to leave their current situations to come here. If that's not in your face obvious at this point, then Im not sure you'll ever be convinced. They dont need Indiana's "built in" advantages bc they can beat Indiana at Baylor, Bama, Texas Tech, Gonzaga, etc. without having to deal with the built in disadvantages that come with coaching here. This job is not one of the best jobs in the nation. It's a place where coaches get fired. 

[IU Hambone 141]

9 minutes ago, Unexpectedflash said:

Maybe I’m naive but there is no way Marquette is a better job. They lost Buzz Williams to the basketball powerhouse that is Virginia Tech. Tom Crean left them for us. Once we get the right coach we instantly jump back to being a top 5 job again. It’s easy to pile on because we’ve been bad for 20 years.

There's a national perception that IU has fired guys too quickly: Archie only got 4 years, Crean was 1 year removed from a B1G title and Sweet 16, and most schools probably wouldn't have fired Sampson either for minor recruiting violations (look how almost everyone from the FBI stuff survived). You've got to be really confident in your abilities to want the Indiana job when you can make just as much money with a lot less pressure somewhere else.

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[Me So Hornsby 2,747]

I feel like we sometimes lose sight of what this job comes with. There is no question that it is a top job in the country. But when you factor in the pressure and how crazy the fanbase/alumni/boosters are it can scare people.

I legitimately think there are a lot of really good coaches out there that would be trainwrecks once you factor in that side of things. This is a great job but it’s also an incredibly hard job.


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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,650]

Oklahoma is now open too. Lon Kruger is officially retiring 

And then Dolson talks him out of retirement.

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