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Just now, Alford Bailey said:

Im not sure there ever was much of an Archie camp. There are those that thought it was a solid hire (not great) and those that thought it was a bad hire. Ive had to eat a lot of crow over this because I thought he was gonna be solid.

Twitter says otherwise. Even at the beginning of this season, there were a ton who wouldurder anyone that said Archie wasn't the guy. 

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4 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Not trying to start an argument but is there anybody that’s still in the Archie camp?  To me that’s very telling even with Crean I feel he had inklings of support till the end. 

I sorta am. But my support is waning. 

A big reason I say this -- and I'm guessing it's not really an apt comparison -- is I live in Virginia, and on the surface, Tony Bennett's and Archie's philosophies seemed somewhat similar. And it took Bennett a while to get things rolling. But once he did ... 

There are some things that don't cross over, though -- Bennett continued to do relatively well in recruiting and he seemed to have a really good relationship with his players, while I'm not sure that's the case with Archie. And although the Cavs weren't knocking everyone's socks off, the eyeball test said they were getting better and making strides. I'm struggling to see that here ... 

BTW, forget Brooks or Kaufman or Garcia or Garland or Watford. IMO -- and this falls on Crean -- our biggest recruiting miss in the past 5-6 years has been Kyle Guy. 

 

[Hardwood83 5,021]

7 hours ago, MemphisHoosier said:

 

Welcome to the Oats train comrade!

I've said a couple times that I'm intrigued by Oats.....but I am concerned about the lack of a track record at a high level. 

Isn't he still basically using with Avery Johnson's guys? I don't want the new hotness, I want the steak, not the sizzle! 

[Hardwood83 5,021]

53 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Im not sure there ever was much of an Archie camp. There are those that thought it was a solid hire (not great) and those that thought it was a bad hire. Ive had to eat a lot of crow over this because I thought he was gonna be solid.

I'd have to disagree. Initially (at least on here) I'd say it was 70-30 pro Archie. I recall because I was a vocal minority. 

Anyway, doesn't really matter now. I was "right"....yay. Archie wasn't a terrible hire and I strongly suspect he'd be at THE O$U if we hadn't scooped him up first. 

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1 minute ago, Hardwood83 said:

I'd have to disagree. Initially (at least on here) I'd say it was 70-30 pro Archie. I recall because I was a vocal minority. 

Anyway, doesn't really matter now. I was "right"....yay. Archie wasn't a terrible hire and I strongly suspect he'd be at THE O$U if we hadn't scooped him up first. 

Man wish Matta had hung it up before we fired Crean. 

[HinnyHoosier 6,603]

I think if we get dragged across the floor tomorrow night and lose by 20+... There should either be a major discussion on the trip back to Bloomington or an Interim Coach named by the time they are back in Bloomington. 

Yeah. That’s not going to happen.


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41 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

 

Yeah. That’s not going to happen.


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It won't. Indiana would never have the balls to do it. 

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I am FULLY aboard the Can CAM Fanclub. He ain’t it. He hasn’t been it for a while.

However it’s so far off, my time spent on all things IUBB in the next season and a half is going to be greatly diminished. It’s sad.


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[HoosierDYT 1,766]

This isn't meant for you specifically and I'm not trying to give you crap. That said I keep reading that he won't be fired this year unless we lose out. So the $ isn't an issue if the bottom completely falls out but it is an issue if we just simply far, far underperform expectations? I don't get that. Either it's a problem or it isn't

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Two things for me:

1) Until I see the current administration can someone earlier than expected I’ll be surprised to see it happen.

2) I don’t see any candidates that I think justify spending the money to fire Archie that we can hire and have coach the team going into next year.


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[HoosierTrav 8,331]

On 1/16/2021 at 9:04 PM, Stuhoo said:

 

Kentucky is getting tired of him because he is doing an absolutely terrible job coaching their basketball team. After their loss today they are 4-8 with four almost certain losses on the near horizon.

If we took John Calipari away from Kentucky that would be the single greatest thing that could happen to the Kentucky basketball program.

No it wouldn’t. I think you’re letting your distaste for the guy distort reality. We both know that this season is anomalous, in regards to John Calipari. As much as I can’t stand the guy, he’s an all timer. If Indiana were to somehow be lucky enough to land him, we would be nationally relevant within a single season and everyone on this site would be kissing the ground that he walks on (myself included). 

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Firing Archie isn’t going to happen anytime soon and I’m not sure it would help anyways. Our issues are systemic and much more complex than the head coach. I can only speculate as to what these issues are but I am certain that it’s more than what meets the eye.
 

I’m not sure many understand the level of effort required, to systematically run a historically elite program into the ground, over multiple decades. It’s not bad luck. It’s not that this couldn’t be fixed. 
 

I sometimes wonder if the administration is actively monitoring the pulse of its customer base. During the last couple of years of the Tom Crean era, there was significant pressure building but not to the point where it was going to mortally affect the program’s revenue & profitability. They are in serious danger of doing so now. The apathy is off the charts. I’m comfortable saying that I’ve never seen it quite like this in my lifetime. Personally I’ve never been so disinterested in Indiana Basketball since I’ve been aware of the existence of basketball and Indiana Hoosier basketball. I get the sense that most of our fan base shares this feeling. 
 

If basketball revenues and profits are something that the university relies upon, then the university is in big trouble in the near future. From a business perspective, this is a company that needs to be gutted from top to bottom and and a complete rebranding strategy needs developed and executed immediately. Our current brand is incapable of making us competitive in the current marketplace. We simply cannot attract the talent (players or coaches) required to win at the level we expect. Hanging on to the past and expecting past results is insanity and an awful strategy. 
 

 

[JSHoosier 22,210]

If we were to (deservedly) fire Miller, does anyone think this administration would swing for the fences?  The way they've handled this program, I seriously doubt it.

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If you think Calipari is the answer, please watch his post-game comments after the loss last night. Many here were outraged when Crean refused to take responsibility for the on-court product. Calipari is much worse


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[Alford Bailey 13,227]

Many UK fans believe Kenny Payne was doing most of the coaching behind the scenes and a huge loss for the program. Apparently Bruiser isnt getting it done.

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15 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Many UK fans believe Kenny Payne was doing most of the coaching behind the scenes and a huge loss for the program. Apparently Bruiser isnt getting it done.

Bruiser sucks. Kenny Paynce wouldn't be a bad coaching candidate either. 

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3 hours ago, JSHoosier said:

If we were to (deservedly) fire Miller, does anyone think this administration would swing for the fences?  The way they've handled this program, I seriously doubt it.

I think Dolson, although new, will feel the pressure for sure and will ask for all hands on deck when hiring the next head coach. Was Quinn Bucker on the board when we hired Archie? 

We all know IU basketball is the face of Indiana University. It's not the football program, med school program, maybe sometimes it's the Kelley program. But it's basketball here in Indiana. With Indiana University "losing" money from COVID last year and this up-coming year, I'd like to think they'll look at ALL avenues in generating interest and funds for Indiana University. The basketball program is a great avenue to get interest in the university again. Let's hope they are wise enough to make sure whoever the next hire, is a grand-slam. 

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17 minutes ago, Treesh said:

I think Dolson, although new, will feel the pressure for sure and will ask for all hands on deck when hiring the next head coach. Was Quinn Bucker on the board when we hired Archie? 

We all know IU basketball is the face of Indiana University. It's not the football program, med school program, maybe sometimes it's the Kelley program. But it's basketball here in Indiana. With Indiana University "losing" money from COVID last year and this up-coming year, I'd like to think they'll look at ALL avenues in generating interest and funds for Indiana University. The basketball program is a great avenue to get interest in the university again. Let's hope they are wise enough to make sure whoever the next hire, is a grand-slam. 

They haven't felt the pressure to get it right yet, I have doubts they're going too now; as long as we've been down Glass should have.  Buckner is just one voice 

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48 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

They haven't felt the pressure to get it right yet, I have doubts they're going too now; as long as we've been down Glass should have.  Buckner is just one voice 

They got it right with Sampson. 

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14 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

They got it right with Sampson. 

He can coach.  Imagine if we didn't self report then self sanction.

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2 hours ago, mamasa said:

If you think Calipari is the answer, please watch his post-game comments after the loss last night. Many here were outraged when Crean refused to take responsibility for the on-court product. Calipari is much worse


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I couldn’t care less about his postgame comments if he delivers the results he’s delivered at UK. After making just four tournaments since 2008, it would be a welcome change.