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[Hippopotamo 707]

How is the gray area “blatantly cheating”? If our own compliance department is handicapping our coach from recruiting on an even playing field, we have no chance of being anything better than an average big ten program. 

[IU Scott 2,375]

Just now, HoosierFan1994 said:

I was in middle school when Indiana fired Sampson so I was upset at first but I understand now. Most of those guys were losers. Kind of hard to root for a team like that even if they are so good. I get the grey area however. I just don’t think it’s a good idea to bring in a known cheater who has guys constantly in trouble. But it sounds like Indiana preciously wanted a completely clean program. That’s just not how it is now. 

After watching that team you needed to take a shower to clean off the scum.  It had nothing to do with phone calls but that Sampson never cared about what the players were doing off the court.  We had drug abusers who had to be suspended throughout the year and found out later a guy was being a pimp

[Unexpectedflash 1,713]

Just now, BGleas said:

In 2021 if you're running a program that wins at a consistently high level, I just assume you're either cheating (if we can even call it that anymore since the NCAA doesn't care and there are no consequences) or heavily in the gray area. And yes, that includes Villanova, UVA, MSU, etc. 

MSU is almost certainly in the grey by getting Emoni Bates. Villanova has been getting 5 stars recently. Just don’t blatantly cheat like Will Wade and I’m fine with doing what other schools do. It’s naive thinking we’ll win at the level we want putting ourselves at such a disadvantage. 

[mdiu28 2,891]

Just now, IU Scott said:

I am so embarrassed by some of this so called IU fan base who would ever think for one moment IU should blatantly cheat just to win more games.

I don't think anyone would want IU to "blatantly" cheat. But rather if you want to win and win big consistently nowadays you might have to operate in a gray area ala UK, KU, Duke, UNC (don't tell me any of them are clean - they aren't). 

This is unfortunately the reality - like it or not. That's why we all want Brad, right? He wins AND he's squeaky clean. 

[IU Scott 2,375]

Just now, Hippopotamo said:

How is the gray area “blatantly cheating”? If our own compliance department is handicapping our coach from recruiting on an even playing field, we have no chance of being anything better than an average big ten program. 

So what is the definition of a gray area.  You are either cheating or you are not/  You can't be slightly pregnant.

[jmsgws 2,181]

1 minute ago, BGleas said:

In 2021 if you're running a program that wins at a consistently high level, I just assume you're either cheating (if we can even call it that anymore since the NCAA doesn't care and there are no consequences) or heavily in the gray area. And yes, that includes Villanova, UVA, MSU, etc. 

I thought I was jaded.  If I had your belief.  I don't know if I could watch college sports ever again.  

[Hippopotamo 707]

Just now, IU Scott said:

So what is the definition of a gray area.  You are either cheating or you are not/  You can't be slightly pregnant.

Have you ever jaywalked before? 

[Hoosierfan2017 24,849]

9 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Winning and not blatantly cheating are not mutually exclusive.

They are when you don’t have a great coach to offset the recruiting disadvantage. If the NCAA cared about ‘cheating’ then it would enforce its rules. It doesn’t. It celebrates programs that we all know blatantly cheat. IU only hurts itself by not playing under the same rules as the other elite programs. 
 

Like I’ve said before. There are three basic ways to win in college basketball. 
 

Great coach who cheats, average/above average coach who cheats, and great coach who doesn’t cheat. 
 

We don’t want to cheat. That’s fine. But we hire average to above average coaches and expect them to win without cheating. It’s not gonna happen. 

[HoosierFan1994 5,344]

2 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

After watching that team you needed to take a shower to clean off the scum.  It had nothing to do with phone calls but that Sampson never cared about what the players were doing off the court.  We had drug abusers who had to be suspended throughout the year and found out later a guy was being a pimp

Yep. Embarrassing. That team probably would’ve won the Big Ten and made it to the Elite 8/Sweet 16 but that’s not worth it having those kind of players. 

[BGleas 9,018]

Just now, Unexpectedflash said:

MSU is almost certainly in the grey by getting Emoni Bates. Villanova has been getting 5 stars recently. Just don’t blatantly cheat like Will Wade and I’m fine with doing what other schools do. It’s naive thinking we’ll win at the level we want putting ourselves at such a disadvantage. 

Agree. What's the point of even fielding a team if all of your main competition is going to do everything they can to beat you, and no governing body even cares about the rules, while you toe the rulebook by the letter of the law? 

I agree, I dont want blatant cheating. But, IU should certainly be doing anything that Duke, UK, UNC, Villanova, Michigan State, etc, are all doing. 

The NCAA clearly does not care at all. 

[Indiana8585 141]

1 minute ago, jmsgws said:

I thought I was jaded.  If I had your belief.  I don't know if I could watch college sports ever again.  

Well it’s the truth so you probably won’t want to watch anymore especially college football. 

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Just now, Hippopotamo said:

Have you ever jaywalked before? 

Well if you get caught you get a ticket.  So what is the equivalent of jay walking in college basketball.  I have asked so many times for people to define what a gray area in recruiting means.  Is it it getting players families jobs or getting them approved for loans for $500,000 home that they can't afford.

[Stuhoo 89,311]

Just now, Hoosierfan2017 said:

They are when you don’t have a great coach to offset the recruiting disadvantage. If the NCAA cared about ‘cheating’ then it would enforce its rules. It doesn’t. It celebrates programs that we all know blatantly cheat. IU only hurts itself by not playing under the same rules as the other elite programs. 
 

Like I’ve said before. There are three basic ways to win in college basketball. 
 

Great coach who cheats, average/above average coach who cheats, and great coach who doesn’t cheat. 
 

We don’t want to cheat. That’s fine. But we hire average to above average coaches and expect them to win without cheating. It’s not gonna happen. 

Loyola may be in their way to their second final four in four years.

That’s pretty ******* good.

Wondering how much their players are getting paid.

[Hoosierfan2017 24,849]

5 minutes ago, Unexpectedflash said:

MSU is almost certainly in the grey by getting Emoni Bates. Villanova has been getting 5 stars recently. Just don’t blatantly cheat like Will Wade and I’m fine with doing what other schools do. It’s naive thinking we’ll win at the level we want putting ourselves at such a disadvantage. 

MSU covers up rapes by their players. If they’re willing to do that to win (which I’m not, for the record), there’s zero chance they aren’t also paying players.

[Unexpectedflash 1,713]

I’m hoping when players are able to get paid the playing field evens a little because we definitely won’t try and even it ourselves. If we must be squeaky clean then hopefully we can figure out some other way to gain an advantage once that is passed.

[BGleas 9,018]

2 minutes ago, jmsgws said:

I thought I was jaded.  If I had your belief.  I don't know if I could watch college sports ever again.  

Am I jaded, or is it reality? Maryland and Kansas were out bidding each other a couple years ago over De Sousa (I think that's his name) who was a borderline starter, a recruit ranked in like the 80's or something. Not a 5*. 

 

[JSHoosier 22,210]

10 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I am so embarrassed by some of this so called IU fan base who would ever think for one moment IU should blatantly cheat just to win more games.

Name a program that wins at a high level and wins consistently that is completely clean.  I'd be absolutely shocked if there is one.  You're not really breaking rules if the people responsible for enforcement don't care, because if they don't care the rules don't mean much.  Trying to be completely clean is just handicapping the program.

Some lines shouldn't be crossed, like don't cover up sexual assault or rape.

[Hippopotamo 707]

We’ve got some incredibly naive fans if they don’t think almost every program in America doesn’t operate at least a little bit in the gray area. There are the obvious schools like Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, Louisville, Arizona, LSU, etc where we’re all very confident of blatant cheating, but the “clean” schools like Villanova and others don’t win without operating in a gray area. 

[rcbowla 8,237]

I thought I was jaded.  If I had your belief.  I don't know if I could watch college sports ever again.  

Might not want to then. Or turn your attention to the Horizon League. These guys are right.

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