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I don’t get this. People discredited Mike Woodson (who has real nba coaching experience!) because he has never recruited before. But we are fine with CC who has never even been the lead assistant at a P5 program and whose recruiting abilities are completely unknown? 

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1 minute ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

WHAT?????

Peegs mentioned it in the chat. Said it could still happen but the indications they have thus far are that Beard has at least some interest and that they don't believe IU is interested due to lack of fit. It's always possible conversations are happening, but Peegs said they do not believe IU has even contacted Beard. 

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2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Based off what? He’s never been a head coach and his assistant coaching resume is pretty thin. The University of Evansville didn’t want him to be their head coach. Do we officially have lower standards than the University of Evansville?

Based off hope mainly. I think he'd be able to modernize the program and give a fun style of play. Also believe he'd be able to actually develop talent. 

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Just now, HankTheDeuce said:

Peegs mentioned it in the chat. Said it could still happen but the indications they have thus far are that Beard has at least some interest and that they don't believe IU is interested due to lack of fit. It's always possible conversations are happening, but Peegs said they do not believe IU has even contacted Beard. 

Thats crap

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3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Based off what? He’s never been a head coach and his assistant coaching resume is pretty thin. The University of Evansville didn’t want him to be their head coach. Do we officially have lower standards than the University of Evansville?

Not a fair criticism IMO.

There's a job he didn't get? So what.

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1 minute ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Based off hope mainly. I think he'd be able to modernize the program and give a fun style of play. Also believe he'd be able to actually develop talent. 

Fair enough, but wouldn't you rather invest that "hope" in someone that already has a record of successfully doing that? 

 

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9 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I'll say this...and it's a "me" thing, not a coaching thing:

I find it attractive if we make a hire that does not have a pre-established reputation with another program. A reputation that will follow them no matter how well they do at IU. My best case scenario is if we have a program and a coach that are inherently connected. 

Howard? UM, Calipari? UK, K? Duke, Drew? Baylor, and on and on and on.

From the names that have been discussed the ones that would fit that model-that don't already get completely associated with a particular program, are: Lewis, Fife, Enfield, Stevens (kinda), Cheaney, Woodson, Moser (kinda), and a lot of the up and comers.

That's just me.

 

I felt that way about that too but honestly my preference is that Indiana wins...there have been three what I would call splash hires in the last 20 years in college basketball: 

Rick Pitino to Louisville (He had a pre-established reputation at Providence, UK and the NBA)

Roy Williams to UNC (I get he went there but we was at Kansas for awhile.)

John Calipari to Kentucky (He had a pre-established reputation at Memphis and UMass as well as the NBA. 

Each of these three have something in common: They have won National Championships (spare me 2013-Louisville won it). 

IU and UCLA get a lot of crap about replacing a legend. So far UConn has struggled since Calhoun left (Ollie had his team). Let's see how Duke, Syracuse, and Michigan State do after their HOF coaches leave. 

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11 minutes ago, TheDarkKnight69 said:

At this point, if TJD and the transfer portal guys are gone, I’m expecting a losing record no matter who the coach is. 

Whoa there cowboy, pump the brakes....TJD has made no indication and the other three seem to be just keeping options open, likely if they don’t feel like they fit in the new coaches system or mesh with the coach. I agree we need a good hire, but they can be retained

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It’s easy to judge any candidate by their experience or history or anything, but ultimately, we do not know what their vision is for the program or what they are telling Dolson that will sell him to hire them. That’s why I am fine with whatever candidate we end up with. I don’t think Dolson is going to hire someone because he has no options 

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1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

Not a fair criticism IMO.

There's a job he didn't get? So what.

True but nobody said this when a ton of people were saying the fact that Woodson hasn’t gotten another HC since the Knicks is an indictment of his coaching ability. 

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2 minutes ago, IUBBx5Banners said:

I don’t get this. People discredited Mike Woodson (who has real nba coaching experience!) because he has never recruited before. But we are fine with CC who has never even been the lead assistant at a P5 program and whose recruiting abilities are completely unknown? 

Mike Woodson didn't win as an NBA head coach. We know we're going to get flat results and he's 63, which I don't like to use age but can he really relate to 18 year olds? We know John can but Woodson has been in the NBA his entire career.

At least Calbert is younger and has been around the college game. 

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5 minutes ago, TheDarkKnight69 said:

Out of curiously, was he a legitimate candidates at any of the schools you mentioned?

Yes it was between him and McCarty at UE. I saw I think Chris post he was #2 for IUPUI and UIndy. 

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Just now, Gnet550 said:

Whoa there cowboy, pump the brakes....TJD has made no indication and the other three seem to be just keeping options open, likely if they don’t feel like they fit in the new coaches system or mesh with the coach. I agree we need a good hire, but they can be retained

I literally said IF they leave. Never said anything was definite. 

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3 minutes ago, HankTheDeuce said:

Peegs mentioned it in the chat. Said it could still happen but the indications they have thus far are that Beard has at least some interest and that they don't believe IU is interested due to lack of fit. It's always possible conversations are happening, but Peegs said they do not believe IU has even contacted Beard. 

With the preface that I don't believe almost anything coming out...if this is true Dolson better have a "home run" lined up and not just take a huge gamble on an "IU guy".

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1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

Not a fair criticism IMO.

There's a job he didn't get? So what.

So we're going to hire someone to be our head coach who no one else has ever wanted to be their head coach either? And whose assistant coaching resume is incredibly thing? Mike Woodson isn't a good candidate. But Mike Woodson looks like Brad Stevens as a candidate compared to Calbert Cheaney. We'd be hiring someone with no head coaching experience and minimal assistant coaching experience to resurrect a struggling program. 

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So Cheaney checks a few boxes that have varying degrees of importance to us fans (the second of which we know is important to Dolson):

• IU guy
• NBA style offense 
• personality

My worry is that if winning in college was as easy as landing recruits because you run an NBA style offense and bring in a former player to coach wouldn't Georgetown and Memphis be having success alongside Michigan?

If this is true it will end up really reminding me of the last search, where we zeroed in on Archie thinking he was the guy and didn't do enough due diligence. Except in this case, instead of zeroing in on a candidate, we would have zeroed in on a philosophy as if it's the same easy fix.

I'm all for the NBA style offense. I am not against a CC hire. But my gosh you've got to at least talk to the Drews and Beards of the world (assuming -- BIG ASSUMPTION -- that they'd want to talk).

I still hope and believe that Dolson gets all of this. I want to believe he is pulling all the right strings. But when you find yourself in a position to hold the strings, the worst thing you can do is think you already know all the answers. Tread with diligence SD. 

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4 minutes ago, HankTheDeuce said:

Peegs mentioned it in the chat. Said it could still happen but the indications they have thus far are that Beard has at least some interest and that they don't believe IU is interested due to lack of fit. It's always possible conversations are happening, but Peegs said they do not believe IU has even contacted Beard. 

If you go by what Dolson said in the press conference he is looking for a faster pace offense.  If you watch TT play you would see a very slow pace offense.

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1 minute ago, Gnet550 said:

Whoa there cowboy, pump the brakes....TJD has made no indication and the other three seem to be just keeping options open, likely if they don’t feel like they fit in the new coaches system or mesh with the coach. I agree we need a good hire, but they can be retained

Yup, first job will be to re-recruit existing players.

IMO, TJD would actually benefit a lot from a coach with a different scheme.

And all of them would benefit from a coach that would make them shoot better FTs... or any shots for that matters.

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4 minutes ago, IUBBx5Banners said:

I don’t get this. People discredited Mike Woodson (who has real nba coaching experience!) because he has never recruited before. But we are fine with CC who has never even been the lead assistant at a P5 program and whose recruiting abilities are completely unknown? 

Just my opinion, but with Woodson we know exactly who he is and what we would get and I just dont see him translating to the college game well.  Maybe that is completely off, but it is how I view it.  

With CC there is a lot of unknowns, but there is the potential for it to go really well.  Way more so than with Woodson. 

Now if I have my preference neither of them is the coach.  I would be much happier if CC is associate head coach or an assistant.  

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5 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Based off hope mainly. I think he'd be able to modernize the program and give a fun style of play. Also believe he'd be able to actually develop talent. 

You don't hire a head coach based off hope. And you're right, that would be what this hire was based on - the hope that he could bring back the magical days of Bob Knight because he used to play for him.