NCAA MBB Transfer Portal

[Hoosierfanyuh]

Seems as tho he is definitely and option but we’re seeing how tonight plays out before we give full effort. 

[Home Jersey]

Somewhat meh about this but if Woody and staff want him, I want him too! 

Personally would prefer someone with 1 or 2 years of eligibility rather than 3, but if he goes to the league sooner, everyone wins from that point of view. Not great stats last year, but 6'8 and a playmaker? If Woody thinks he can mold him into a pro... then next year's team will be scary good. Bottom line to me - that size is going to create mismatches all over the floor. If he can be a solid shooter (not like he was horrific last year... just a solid improvement) then look out. 

I like the very little I've seen of his ability to handle the ball and pass it. 

Very excited to see how we round out the roster! 

[RaceToTheTop]

25 minutes ago, mike vannice said:

I guess the question is can he play defense and will he upset the team chemistry. Trust Coach Woodson to figure it out.

+1.  At this point, IU is looking for marginal improvement.  Not likely to see a home run get at the 2 at this juncture.  Toward the end of the regular season last year IU was playing basically a seven man rotation, so having an extra option isn't a bad thing to have.  And if it upsets team chemistry, he doesn't play.

Again, not saying I'm a fan of his, but I am a fan of using the scholarship.  We already know Leal isn't going to be logging any real time, not sure we should leave another slot blank.

 

[RaceToTheTop]

32 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

On a serious note, I'm not certain what or why Woody may have interest in MM, but if Woody wants him, I want him.

I assume MM is Mongolian Mike here and not McKenzie Mgbanko.

[RaceToTheTop]

7 minutes ago, TeeterInNJ said:

Somewhat meh about this but if Woody and staff want him, I want him too! 

Personally would prefer someone with 1 or 2 years of eligibility rather than 3, but if he goes to the league sooner, everyone wins from that point of view. Not great stats last year, but 6'8 and a playmaker? If Woody thinks he can mold him into a pro... then next year's team will be scary good. Bottom line to me - that size is going to create mismatches all over the floor. If he can be a solid shooter (not like he was horrific last year... just a solid improvement) then look out. 

I like the very little I've seen of his ability to handle the ball and pass it. 

Very excited to see how we round out the roster! 

My guess is that Sharavjamts isn't looking to be in college that long, which is why he looked to get feedback in the draft.  If he can't make it to the NBA, would guess he goes back overseas and plays after another year.

[Honkyman]

38 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Banks is a 3/4, Gunn a 2/3.  They really aren't that similar.

Watching the Dayton clips, Sharavjamts is a 2/3.

[Alford Bailey]

A guard with that size is intriguing. Wouldn’t be upset if The staff wants him.

[Scotty R]

53 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I'm not sure I'm on board either, but devil's advocate:

-- he was a top 120 recruit out of high school, so he didn't just come out of nowhere.

-- plus passer, especially for his size.

-- did pick up quite a bit of experience last year, playing 23 minutes/game for a decent Dayton team.

If Woodson wants him and he signs here I am good with it because I trust the coaching staff

[Home Jersey]

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Someone mentioned his number of years of eligibility he has as a possible concern.  Doesn't that become a moot point in the new world order of college basketball and the transfer portal?  Every scholarship player in theory can be a one and gone.    If you go back and scan through the pages of this thread you'll see how many portalers have already changed schools once.  And it's no different on the women's side.  A number of woman entrants have already been at 1 or 2 previous schools.  

[Hovadipo]

Do I…….like Coleman Hawkins?

[lillurk]

2 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Do I…….like Coleman Hawkins?

Very complicating to me, too, that he’s good at this

[Hoosierfan1901]

RayJ Dennis smoke is blowing to Baylor, picked up a CB 

Illinois fans are going to be upset, although this recruitment has many turns 

[lillurk]

Here are a couple pro-Sharavjamts morsels for thought:

1. Torvik’s got a player statistical similarity tool. Many, many of his top freshman year comps turned in to really good college players. One of the top comps: frosh Armaan Franklin.

They’re different — see @Demo‘s comments on the vision, not really a Franklin strength — but I find that sort of instructive. A guy who wasn’t great in year one, but showed some things that might not jump off the page in his cumulative stats.

2. Torvik also categorizes player position based on size, stats, who he shares the floor with. It tabs Sharavjamts as a PG. Obviously when you’ve got a 6’8” one, you have some lineup flexibility, but speaks to the vision.

3. I know there was some grumbling about why he declared…even if you don’t watch much NBA, surely you can understand why a prospect with his size and skill would still get invited to some workouts. Figure out the shot, add 20 lbs, continue developing, and you can envision at least a productive college player, and maybe at least a chance to play at a higher level than that.

[Tasmanian Devil]

1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I assume MM is Mongolian Mike here and not McKenzie Mgbanko.

Will this team become the M & Ms?

[RaceToTheTop]

41 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Someone mentioned his number of years of eligibility he has as a possible concern.  Doesn't that become a moot point in the new world order of college basketball and the transfer portal?  Every scholarship player in theory can be a one and gone.    If you go back and scan through the pages of this thread you'll see how many portalers have already changed schools once.  And it's no different on the women's side.  A number of woman entrants have already been at 1 or 2 previous schools.  

I think the number of players that fit that category has a lot to do with the extra year and players being grad transfers.  Short of graduating in three years, a player can only transfer once in college without receiving a waiver.  I believe the NCAA sent out a memo this year to schools indicating that they shouldn't take the waiver for granted. 

[RaceToTheTop]

36 minutes ago, lillurk said:

Here are a couple pro-Sharavjamts morsels for thought:

1. Torvik’s got a player statistical similarity tool. Many, many of his top freshman year comps turned in to really good college players. One of the top comps: frosh Armaan Franklin.

They’re different — see @Demo‘s comments on the vision, not really a Franklin strength — but I find that sort of instructive. A guy who wasn’t great in year one, but showed some things that might not jump off the page in his cumulative stats.

2. Torvik also categorizes player position based on size, stats, who he shares the floor with. It tabs Sharavjamts as a PG. Obviously when you’ve got a 6’8” one, you have some lineup flexibility, but speaks to the vision.

3. I know there was some grumbling about why he declared…even if you don’t watch much NBA, surely you can understand why a prospect with his size and skill would still get invited to some workouts. Figure out the shot, add 20 lbs, continue developing, and you can envision at least a productive college player, and maybe at least a chance to play at a higher level than that.

Of note, since I've used the Torvik rostercast tool quite a bit:

Basically the rostercast tool orders players from 1 to 10 in expected minutes and puts them in a model and tweaks from there.  There seems to be a default in terms of minutes that is slightly adjusted:

player #1 in minutes is around 32;  #2 is around 30;  #3 is 28; #4 is 26;  #5 is 24; #6 is 22;  #7 is 15;  #8 is 12; #9 is 8;  and #10 is 4.  They get slightly tweaked, but the patterns are always very similar.  Currently, Torvik puts IU's minutes per game for their top ten at 32, 30.8, 27.6, 26, 24.8, 20.8, 14.8, 12.4, 7.2, and 4.0.

Minutes calculated are based upon:

1.  For incoming freshman or redshirt freshman, player ranking as a recruit;

2.  For sophomores or greater, playing time for their teams in the past, heavily weighted to the previous year and

3.  Player overall efficiency rating (note that this is adjusted for level of play, so Peyton Sparks actually sees a predicted efficiency drop of 2% for next year as he moves from the MAC to the Big 10.

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From what I have gathered so far, there are areas where player's minutes got over and under predicted.  Previous minutes do seem to get a higher weight than projected efficiency does.  For instance, Malik Reneau has a projected efficiency of 108.8 and Peyton Sparks checks in at 107.7.  Despite this, Torvik projects Sparks at 24.8 minutes per game and Reneau at 20.8 minutes per game.  I think this is largely in part to the number of minutes that Sparks has played in his first two years

Where this does produce some issues is that players transferring from a mid to low major at a higher number of minutes/game than will probably occur.  I would expect that Reneau will be at 25 or more minutes per game in reality and Sparks will be under 15.

I bring this up because of how minutes are distributed on Torvik, the overall team ratings are effected.  If you add Mike Sharajamts to IU's current roster, it predicts that he would get 25.2 minutes per game and have the fifth most minutes and has IU as a team drop two spots in the rating.  But because of how it figures ratings and simply orders players in minutes regardless of position, the two players losing minutes in their model are not players at the 2 or 3 positions -- rather it's the players that were fifth and sixth in minutes previous, which are Sparks and Reneau.  What's closer to reality is that he would be competing for minutes against other 1, 2, or 3's on Indiana's team.

Torvik is a nice little tool, just can't take it as gospel.  It's basically built to build interest and have some fun, but don't get too hung up in the rankings.  

[Scotty R]

https://www.aseaofblue.com/2023/5/31/23693620/antonio-reeves-uk-basketball-recruiting-kentucky-news-nba-draft 

Might be a shooting guard to look at

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

RayJ Dennis smoke is blowing to Baylor, picked up a CB 
Illinois fans are going to be upset, although this recruitment has many turns 

Yea, I saw this tweet and laughed.

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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Terrence Shannon withdraws from draft. Will play at Illinois

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