Archie. Miller. Fired.

[Feathery 4,005]

42 minutes ago, Treesh said:

Archie survives another day! 

I think he will look for his own way out and take another job. He and Dolson are on the same page. At that point Dolson knows exactly what the reduced buyout is. Mid major positions should be coming open next week.

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Personally, yes, I do think so. If the BOT could get away with keeping Archie another year and saving a bunch of money without blowback I think they’d do it in a heartbeat. We all know Archie doesn’t deserve a fifth season. He’s been a disaster. But it costs a lot of money to get rid of the disaster. I think they’d rather not pay it because I think how much they care about IU basketball is not how much we care about IU basketball. 

 

56 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

With the way the payments are monthly over the three years, and the likelihood of him getting another head coaching job somewhere to lower the amount, I don't think it'd be that much. Definitely not the scary $10 million that we've seen plastered everywhere. But I don't know how they have to report it on their financials and all that fun stuff.. If they really have the money if they want to use it, I don't know what the hold up is for them. The buyout will be chump change in the grand scheme of things if a new coach turns the program around. 

So the buyout isn't a lot of money?

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,241]

Doesn’t make it wrong either. Paying customers can do what they please as long as it’s allowed and booing isn’t disallowed

Agree to disagree

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[Vauxhall and IU 317]

All this talk about low attendance numbers has got me thinking about something. Show of hands: how many folks here were actually AT the notorious Indiana State game?

I was. And I remember going in being SO pumped, thinking this was a new era for IU basketball and that the fanbase was raring to go after the darkness of the Crean years (which in retrospect, LMAO). I genuinely believed that the place was going to be packed and rocking that night.

Instead, I got there and discovered the Hall dotted with empty seats. It might've been marginally better attended than the usual cupcake games but it was still only maybe 70% full, and a huge number of the people who were there were ISU fans.

That, more than the pathetic showing in the game, was what really had me concerned that night. Then, even weirder, after the game my buddy and I went to Trojan Horse and it was like 10pm on a Friday night and Kirkwood was completely empty. I was just like "what's happening to this town?" 

[kreigh8 2,060]

8 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

Agree to disagree

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I can confirm Lucas Oil Stadium allows booing

[Hoosierfan2017 21,513]

11 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

 

So the buyout isn't a lot of money?

I really don’t know what you’re getting at here. The buyout is up to $10 million. They’ll end up paying less, but it’ll still be millions of dollars. Whether that is ‘a lot’ depends on who you’re asking I suppose. That, combined with a new coach’s buyout and salary, is a not insignificant amount of money during a year where the school’s finances were hit so hard by Covid. Bringing him back saves them money in the short-term. They wouldn’t  have to pay another coach’s buyout + his new $4-5 million salary this year. They wait a year and the buyout drops from $10 million to $3 million. But, the buyout will insignificant in the long-term if they bring in a coach who starts winning conference championships and making deep tournament runs. 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,513]

21 minutes ago, Vauxhall and IU said:

All this talk about low attendance numbers has got me thinking about something. Show of hands: how many folks here were actually AT the notorious Indiana State game?

I was. And I remember going in being SO pumped, thinking this was a new era for IU basketball and that the fanbase was raring to go after the darkness of the Crean years (which in retrospect, LMAO). I genuinely believed that the place was going to be packed and rocking that night.

Instead, I got there and discovered the Hall dotted with empty seats. It might've been marginally better attended than the usual cupcake games but it was still only maybe 70% full, and a huge number of the people who were there were ISU fans.

That, more than the pathetic showing in the game, was what really had me concerned that night. Then, even weirder, after the game my buddy and I went to Trojan Horse and it was like 10pm on a Friday night and Kirkwood was completely empty. I was just like "what's happening to this town?" 

I was there. This was right at the beginning of them announcing the lineups. 
 

[Chris007 44,115]

23 minutes ago, Vauxhall and IU said:

All this talk about low attendance numbers has got me thinking about something. Show of hands: how many folks here were actually AT the notorious Indiana State game?

I was. And I remember going in being SO pumped, thinking this was a new era for IU basketball and that the fanbase was raring to go after the darkness of the Crean years (which in retrospect, LMAO). I genuinely believed that the place was going to be packed and rocking that night.

Instead, I got there and discovered the Hall dotted with empty seats. It might've been marginally better attended than the usual cupcake games but it was still only maybe 70% full, and a huge number of the people who were there were ISU fans.

That, more than the pathetic showing in the game, was what really had me concerned that night. Then, even weirder, after the game my buddy and I went to Trojan Horse and it was like 10pm on a Friday night and Kirkwood was completely empty. I was just like "what's happening to this town?" 

I was there also. Actually watched the first half, went to the VIP room started drinking till they kicked us out 5 minutes into the 2nd half, watched a few more minutes, then left and went to Scotty’s to drink.

[TheWatShot 14,067]

If we want to take this all the way back to the beginning, go watch Archie Miller's introductory press conference. I watched a couple minutes and then stopped because it was so boring. It reminded me of when I was in high school speech class and was scared sh*tless of talking in front of people. 

[Vauxhall and IU 317]

7 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I was there. This was right at the beginning of them announcing the lineups. 
 

I didn't even think to include the picture I took. Looking at it now, 70% may have been generous. 

I remember afterwards everyone just kind of filing out of there quietly, with this big collective feeling of "...ohh-kayyy."

[Magnanimous 4,608]

37 minutes ago, Vauxhall and IU said:

 

That, more than the pathetic showing in the game, was what really had me concerned that night. Then, even weirder, after the game my buddy and I went to Trojan Horse and it was like 10pm on a Friday night and Kirkwood was completely empty. I was just like "what's happening to this town?" 

The downtown party scene (pre-Covid) isn’t the same as it was a decade ago. I graduated in 2011 and went back for grad school in 2016-17. I forgot which day it was but when I was there in grad school, either Friday or Saturday, but Kilroys Sports wasn’t even open. That was unheard of a decade ago, one of the most popular bars being closed one day each weekend. Maybe someone can explain it me because it didn’t make any sense and when it was open it was never as packed as it used to be. Downtown for Halloween wasn’t as crazy either when I went back. The busiest I ever saw the bars during that 2016-17 period was when the Cubs won the WS. Brothers and the Tap were just as popular,  but Sports being that dead was shocking. 

Tailgating went to hell for students too. Instead of a madhouse free for all, there was now a designated fenced in area for the frats that you needed to go through security to get into (I wasn’t trying to drink with the Greeks in grad school...but another observation). Everything felt watered down. Little 5 concerts seemed weaker, and nothing even remotely resembled when Girl Talk in the rain tore up Dunn Meadow (2009 I think?). 

[Feathery 4,005]

7 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

If we want to take this all the way back to the beginning, go watch Archie Miller's introductory press conference. I watched a couple minutes and then stopped because it was so boring. It reminded me of when I was in high school speech class and was scared sh*tless of talking in front of people. 

Had this debate on another board with someone. I had the same feeling at the initial press conference. The stage was too big and he didn’t realize it until he got here. It was the oh shite moment for Archie. 

[zsmithey4 224]

38 minutes ago, Vauxhall and IU said:

All this talk about low attendance numbers has got me thinking about something. Show of hands: how many folks here were actually AT the notorious Indiana State game?

I was. And I remember going in being SO pumped, thinking this was a new era for IU basketball and that the fanbase was raring to go after the darkness of the Crean years (which in retrospect, LMAO). I genuinely believed that the place was going to be packed and rocking that night.

Instead, I got there and discovered the Hall dotted with empty seats. It might've been marginally better attended than the usual cupcake games but it was still only maybe 70% full, and a huge number of the people who were there were ISU fans.

That, more than the pathetic showing in the game, was what really had me concerned that night. Then, even weirder, after the game my buddy and I went to Trojan Horse and it was like 10pm on a Friday night and Kirkwood was completely empty. I was just like "what's happening to this town?" 

To be fair I was a student at the time at the game and that was the first night of IUDM weekend so a lot of people around town were busy with that

[zsmithey4 224]

3 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

The downtown party scene (pre-Covid) isn’t the same as it was a decade ago. I graduated in 2011 and went back for grad school in 2016-17. I forgot which day it was, either Friday or Saturday, but Kilroys Sports wasn’t even open. That was unheard of a decade ago, one of the most popular bars being closed one day each weekend. Maybe someone can explain it me because it didn’t make any sense and when it was open it was never as packed as it used to be. Downtown for Halloween wasn’t as crazy either when I went back. The busiest I ever saw the bars during that 2016-17 period was when the Cubs won the WS. Brothers and the Tap were just as popular,  but Sports being that dead was shocking. 

Tailgating went to hell for students too. Instead of a madhouse free for all, there was now a designated fenced in area for the frats that you needed to go through security to get into (I wasn’t trying to drink with the Greeks in grad school...but another observation). Everything felt watered down. Little 5 concerts seemed weaker, and nothing even remotely resembled when Girl Talk in the rain tore up Dunn Meadow (2009 I think?). 

I believe because KOK and Sports are owned by the same people and KOK has Friday After Class on Fridays for $2 beers they don’t want to have Sports open at the same time to compete with themselves

[Magnanimous 4,608]

1 minute ago, zsmithey4 said:

I believe because KOK and Sports are owned by the same people and KOK has Friday After Class on Fridays for $2 beers they don’t want to have Sports open at the same time to compete with themselves

On a weekend night? Seems like a complete waste and filling both wasn’t an issue “back in my day.”

[IUrocker 2,200]

So are people starting to think there’s signs that show they are leaning towards Archie staying, or still no way? Not asking because we haven’t heard anything yet, it’s understandable that we haven’t this soon, but seems like there’s more talk of him staying. Hopefully those people don’t know anything lol 

[zsmithey4 224]

5 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

On a weekend night? Seems like a complete waste and filling both wasn’t an issue “back in my day.”

I don’t think it would be an issue there was never a bar I went to on a Tuesday, Thursday, or weekend that wasn’t packed but I’m not sure what it was like when you were there but Fridays now a lot of people are going out during the day to KOK and just end up staying there all night. It’s a ***** and a half to get a beer there on a Friday so you gotta be economical about it and buy 3 at a time haha

[RaceToTheTop 25,960]

Honestly, forget losing fans if we Miller is back.....we ARE going to lose players in terms of transfers and recruits.  Of course you can lose players to transferring if you bring a new coach in, but if a reason for not firing Archie is player exodus.....I think it's going to happen.  And I think if Dolson and the BOT do their due diligence and contact players, they are going to find that is the case.

[Josh 12,649]

2 minutes ago, IUrocker said:

So are people starting to think there’s signs that show they are leaning towards Archie staying, or still no way? Not asking because we haven’t heard anything yet, it’s understandable that we haven’t this soon, but seems like there’s more talk of him staying. Hopefully those people don’t know anything lol 

He won't be our coach next year.  

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

32 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I really don’t know what you’re getting at here. The buyout is up to $10 million. They’ll end up paying less, but it’ll still be millions of dollars. Whether that is ‘a lot’ depends on who you’re asking I suppose. That, combined with a new coach’s buyout and salary, is a not insignificant amount of money during a year where the school’s finances were hit so hard by Covid. Bringing him back saves them money in the short-term. They wouldn’t  have to pay another coach’s buyout + his new $4-5 million salary this year. They wait a year and the buyout drops from $10 million to $3 million. But, the buyout will insignificant in the long-term if they bring in a coach who starts winning conference championships and making deep tournament runs. 

I was getting at that it went from "saving a lot of money.. costs a lot of money to get rid of the disaster" to "I don't think it'd be that much" in the matter of a few posts.  It's funny to see how some posters view it as a lot of money while others think it's not that much and some posters have both thoughts.