Game Thread:POTFB 11/30 @ 12 ESPN2

[Old Friend]

1 hour ago, Stlboiler23 said:

True but even a season to work with it doesn’t change the fact that you’re missing an All-American WR, an all-conference LB, or an all-conference DT. 

We were missing our starting QB, all conference left tackle, and all conference RB.  What's your point again, troll?

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32 minutes ago, Stlboiler23 said:

Assuming both teams are relatively healthy, it should be a good game. 

Personally, I don't make any predictions for a game that is twelve months away.  

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37 minutes ago, Stlboiler23 said:

That’s one game lol. What about the rest of them?

Which of the other seven losses you want dissected?

As much as I know you want this thread to be about Purdue, the only thing that really belongs here is "purdue lost.  Again."

[Old Friend]

1 hour ago, brumdog45 said:

He was average on a team full of below average.  Correct?

Today, yes.  But he's slow in the pocket, makes bad reads consistently, doesn't see the field well when he throws it (much better as a runner), and he has a very inconsistent arm.  Just the facts as I see them, my man.  There's a reason he lost his job.

But...yes.  As I said before....go back and read....the entire team looked soft.  Purdue definitely wanted it more.  The ridiculous stupid penalties have GOT to stop; and Indiana got very lucky.   Indiana did not play well as a team today.  There were bright spots, but the consistent issues remain.

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BTW, the line was 6 1/2 points.....and that was with Scott's injury status unclear.  Is it really a moral victory to lose in double OT in a winnable game?

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, Old Friend said:

Today, yes.  But he's slow in the pocket, makes bad reads consistently, doesn't see the field well when he throws it (much better as a runner), and he has a very inconsistent arm.  Just the facts as I see them, my man.  There's a reason he lost his job.

But...yes.  As I said before....go back and read....the entire team looked soft.  Purdue definitely wanted it more.  The ridiculous stupid penalties have GOT to stop; and Indiana got very lucky.   Indiana did not play well as a team today.  There were bright spots, but the consistent issues remain.

He’s so bad yet after playing almost twice as much football against tougher competition and they have the same number of interceptions and won all his games against winnable competition 

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2 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

Today, yes. 

That's all you needed to really say.  

In terms of 'consistent arm'....dude completed 68% of his passes this year.  It's not inconsistent, it's limited.  

[Aaron]

I still might change D coordinators but I am certainly giving Deboer however much money he wants. He is creative on offense with play calling and turned Peyton Ramsey from mediocre to solid. Also helped Philyor, Scott and several others take next step and for first time since Kevin Wilson era had a fun offense to watch.

The game changer this year was finding a way to pull out the road wins against the three inferior teams in Maryland, Nebraska and PU by making plays late. We never win those games in past years. That's the difference between the normal disappointing five win season and the most successful season in 25 years plus.

Still issues to fix but this is a major step forward winning all the winnable games and that is a great start!  

[Old Friend]

2 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

That's all you needed to really say.  

In terms of 'consistent arm'....dude completed 68% of his passes this year.  It's not inconsistent, it's limited.  

His throws beyond 10 yards are wildly inconsistent.  Or just bad.  Surely to God you know that 68% completion percentage is skewed by the throws he makes.

[Old Friend]

5 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

He’s so bad yet after playing almost twice as much football against tougher competition and they have the same number of interceptions and won all his games against winnable competition 

Weren't you one of the guys who said Indiana needs to beat the big 3 in our division?

Purdue makes another play against that horrid defense, we're having an entirely different conversation.   You're right though...we won as a team and we'd have lost as a team.  I'll leave Ramsey alone.  He is what he is.  Much of it's just fine.  My problem is FAR more my own with a couple of people here, and they don't matter one bit.  The team does.  The win does.  The season does.

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 minute ago, Old Friend said:

His throws beyond 10 yards are wildly inconsistent.  Or just bad.  Surely to God you know that 68% completion percentage is skewed by the throws he makes.

It's really funny that you say this. Last year you said he was only accurate because he only threw short passes, and you would point to YPA as your proof. This year his completion percentage has went up and his YPA has went from 6.4 to 8.4. You're not fooling anyone with your agenda. It has to be killing you that Peyton Ramsey was the one who just helped lead IU to their best season in almost 3 decades.

[Brass Cannon]

Just now, Hoosierfan2017 said:

It's really funny that you say this. Last year you said he was only accurate because he only threw short passes, and you would point to YPA as your proof. This year his completion percentage has went up and his YPA has went from 6.4 to 8.4. You're not fooling anyone with your agenda. It has to be killing you that Peyton Ramsey was the one who just helped lead IU to their best season in almost 3 decades.

Yep who knows maybe had he been starting we would already have 9 wins 

[Old Friend]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

It's really funny that you say this. Last year you said he was only accurate because he only threw short passes, and you would point to YPA as your proof. This year his completion percentage has went up and his YPA has went from 6.4 to 8.4. You're not fooling anyone with your agenda. It has to be killing you that Peyton Ramsey was the one who just helped lead IU to their best season in almost 3 decades.

It's not killing me at all.  In fact, I'm very happy for him and the team as a whole, but I'm guessing you didn't read that far...speaking of agendas.  As I said in the next post, my real problem has been with you and maybe one more guy.   His arm is weak.  He's slow in the pocket.  But he makes enough plays with his legs and completes enough swing passes and short throws against deep coverage to make up for it.  His YAC increased this season.  You surely saw that, right?  You want to tell me his downfield throws were better or more consistent?  They weren't.  But...it didn't matter.   Indiana's team is better and he had more weapons.  He made great plays with his legs.  That said...some missed throws and empty trips to the red zone due in part to bad reads and bad throws almost helped cost us the game.  We lose today?  You're not as cocky.  But go ahead and gloat if you want to.  We won.   And perhaps it kills you that I'm happy about it.

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18 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

His throws beyond 10 yards are wildly inconsistent.  Or just bad.  Surely to God you know that 68% completion percentage is skewed by the throws he makes.

Penix:  12.7 yards per completion

Ramsey: 12.1 yards per completion.

Penix throws a better deep ball....but your assessment is beyond being rational.  And as brass cannon mentioned, Ramsey throw exactly 4 picks in about 70% more throws than Penix.

[Hoosierfan2017]

13 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

It's not killing me at all.  In fact, I'm very happy for him and the team as a whole, but I'm guessing you didn't read that far...speaking of agendas.  As I said in the next post, my real problem has been with you and maybe one more guy.   His arm is weak.  He's slow in the pocket.  But he makes enough plays with his legs and completes enough swing passes and short throws against deep coverage to make up for it.  His YAC increased this season.  You surely saw that, right?  You want to tell me his downfield throws were better or more consistent?  They weren't.  But...it didn't matter.   Indiana's team is better and he had more weapons.  He made great plays with his legs.  That said...some missed throws and empty trips to the red zone due in part to bad reads and bad throws almost helped cost us the game.  We lose today?  You're not as cocky.  But go ahead and gloat if you want to.  We won.   And perhaps it kills you that I'm happy about it.

Antwaan Randel El was a pretty good quarterback for IU, eh? Ramsey tied him in career touchdown passes today. He's thrown 15 fewer interceptions. He's 6th all-time in passing yards for IU and will pass Kellen Lewis in the bowl game for 5th place. He's tied for 4th all-time in touchdown passes. He's #2 all-time in completion percentage. He's been one of the best quarterbacks in Indiana football history, but you continue to dismiss him any chance that you get. Before the complaint about Ramsey was that he throws the ball too slow to give his receivers a chance to gain yards after the catch, but now his YPA is only high because of YAC? 

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22 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

 

Purdue makes another play against that horrid defense, we're having an entirely different conversation.   

Yeah, you would somehow be blaming Ramsey for that horrible defensive play.  Offensively we scored 31 points in regulation despite three missed field goals and our offense didn't turn it over.

[Old Friend]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Antwaan Randel El was a pretty good quarterback for IU, eh? Ramsey tied him in career touchdown passes today. He's thrown 15 fewer interceptions. He's 6th all-time in passing yards for IU and will pass Kellen Lewis in the bowl game for 5th place. He's tied for 4th all-time in touchdown passes. He's #2 all-time in completion percentage. He's one of the best quarterbacks in Indiana football history and you continuously dismiss him any chance that you get. You talk about "facts," but you ignore a whole lot of them. 

Now THAT's funny.   You're getting on me about facts, then get selective about the ones YOU use.  Antwaan Randle El rushed for almost 4,000 yards and 44 touchdowns at IU.  In his career, he accounted for over 11,500 yards of offense.  He was one of the most electric athletes to ever play college football.  Throwing the ball wasn't exactly his primary role, which....I don't know, is why he was moved to wide receiver in the NFL?

You're comparing Ramsey to Randle El as a way to prove me wrong??    That's very funny.   

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 minute ago, Old Friend said:

Now THAT's funny.   You're getting on me about facts, then get selective about the ones YOU use.  Antwaan Randle El rushed for almost 4,000 yards and 44 touchdowns at IU.  In his career, he accounted for over 11,500 yards of offense.  He was one of the most electric athletes to ever play college football.  Throwing the ball wasn't exactly his primary role, which....I don't know, is why he was moved to wide receiver in the NFL?

You're comparing Ramsey to Randle El as a way to prove me wrong??    That's very funny.   

I'm talking about them as passers. Ramsey is #2 all-time in completion percentage for IU, #4 in passing touchdowns, and #6 in passing yards (soon to be #5). Yet if people just listened to you talk about him people would think he's Zander Diamont. You hated on Ramsey all of last year because you refused to admit that DeBord was a terrible offensive coordinator. Constantly talking about how limited Ramsey made the playbook. Then a good offensive coordinator comes in and has Ramsey looking like one of the best quarterbacks in the conference. You must have sky high expectations for a quarterback if 337 yards and 3 touchdowns gets him labeled "as much to blame as anyone."

[Old Friend]

1 minute ago, brumdog45 said:

Yeah, you would somehow be blaming Ramsey for that horrible defensive play.  Offensively we scored 31 points in regulation despite three missed field goals and our offense didn't turn it over.

You DID notice our offense died when James got hurt, right?   Seems if Ramsey were the reason we scored those 31 points, the offense would have been just fine.  I said I'm happy and I am; but if you're trying to prove me wrong with half truths, it's not working.   Ramsey missed some big throws today.  One, a completed long ball to Westbrook, if a better throw is a touchdown and that game never goes to overtime.  That's the other side of reality you're choosing to ignore.   But again...I have no problem and I'm happy we won.  We can debate if you feel like it and I'll let you choose the topic; but don't ignore the entirety of what happened if you want to do so.  

Purdue's 4th string quarterback has a better arm than our second string quarterback and threw for 408 today.  Yeah..our defense was awful.  I get it. 

[Old Friend]

7 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I'm talking about them as passers. Ramsey is #2 all-time in completion percentage for IU, #4 in passing touchdowns, and #6 in passing yards (soon to be #5). Yet if people just listened to you talk about him people would think he's Zander Diamont. You hated on Ramsey all of last year because you refused to admit that DeBord was a terrible offensive coordinator. Constantly talking about how limited Ramsey made the playbook. Then a good offensive coordinator comes in and has Ramsey looking like one of the best quarterbacks in the conference. You must have sky high expectations for a quarterback if 337 yards and 3 touchdowns gets him labeled "as much to blame as anyone."

So you're cherry picking.  Okay.

Let me make something very clear.  You....YOU have created my expectations.  Not me.  You're taking what I say and creating your own meaning.  All I've ever said is Ramsey's arm limits the offense and it still does.  Purdue's QB was their 4th string guy and HE has a better arm and therefore opens the offense more than Ramsey.   Ramsey also makes poor reads on the read option a lot, and I was shocked to see him pull it for a 12 yard gain once.  Finally.

Whatever...Indiana and in fact Ramsey has been good enough at other things to make up for it.  And as I said before, none of it matters because we're 8-4.  I never said the guy can't win.  I have said there are throws he can't make and he still can't with any consistency.   I know you think I'm going crazy because he's had success and that's not at all true.  It's not true because you've applied your own meaning.  I said a couple of weeks ago I was happy for him, and I am.