2019 Off-Season IU Roster News and Moves

[Uspshoosier]

Yes and a defense inexplicably takes away analytically easy shots. I know. Crazy right? But yes I don’t want anyone shooting 18 footers unless they are hitting them and open. Soon our range is going to be beyond half court if you keep moving the goalposts. Anything outside of the key within the 3 point line is a midrange shot. Right? In your eyes = extreme toe touching 3 point line. First 15 foot then 18 foot. Why not an 8 footer? Also equally shocking there are mid range shots that are easier than others. I don’t know why you have to be the best player on the planet to hit them. I have personally seen many players shoot a lot of them in practice/warmups and hit them with success. Let alone games.


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DeMar DeRozen has made a career out of shooting the midrange as his primary weapon


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52 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

DeMar DeRozen has made a career out of shooting the midrange as his primary weapon


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All good scorers do, have to be a threat from all 3 levels. Couple exceptions obviously like D-Wade having no 3 pt shot 

[Brass Cannon]

If you have no mid range game how will you ever get somebody to bite on a pumpfake. Same with driving to the hole no midrange game means your path to the basket is harder. 

So while an offense shouldn’t use many midrange shots. There’s a need for it to be a threat. 

[OGIUAndy]

3 hours ago, Hardwood83 said:

Analytics are a look back at what has happened, not a projection of what should. Perhaps the "30% from mid-range" is the result of players not practicing, therefore not having the skill to hit them, instead of it being a "difficult" shot? Lots of open looks to be had from 10-15 ft. I believe they are missed because of lack of skill, not an inherent issue with the shot.  Knocking down mid-range shots puts an enormous amount of pressure on the defense. Used to be an accepted part of basketball where well-rounded players excelled and won games. But since that's not featured on Sportscenter or youtube, we get 6'11" guys hoisting 3's instead. Yay. 

I think style has taken over substance to a large degree in basketball. It's catered to what the players want to do instead of what is effective. Lots of examples, but exhibit A? the hook shot. It's freaking unstoppable but completely ignored because it's not cool. I think that is retarded. 

 

Underhanded free throws and bank shots too.  I love baseball, but analytics are ruining it because there is no action now, it's merely BBs, Ks and HRs. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

All good scorers do, have to be a threat from all 3 levels. Couple exceptions obviously like D-Wade having no 3 pt shot 

And DeMar DeRozan. Even Kobe and Michael weren’t great 3pt shooters. But Kobe, MJ and Wade are the 3 greatest 2 guards of all time. DeRozan has always been considered to be inefficient because of his love for mid range. KD shot like 55% from mid range last season, but that’s KD. Justin Smith is more relatable to guys like Aaron Gordon who shot 33% from mid range and Andre Iguodala who shot 24.2%. Gordon also shot 39.1% from corner 3’s and 33.9% from the top of the key. Iguodala who is just an awful shooter shot 41% from the corners and 28% from the top. Those are guys Smith is molded after.

And no I don’t consider 8 feet to be mid range. That’s floater range nowadays.


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Underhanded free throws and bank shots too.  I love baseball, but analytics are ruining it because there is no action now, it's merely BBs, Ks and HRs. 

I love bank shots. The backboard is there for a reason. Use it. Not shooting underhanded is definitely a style thing. Kids don’t want to be made fun of.


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Exactly- you don't want an offense built around 16ft jumpers, but having a couple guys on the floor capable of hitting them at a decent clip matters. 

To tell Smith to go work on mid range instead of 3pt shots will only hurt Smith in the long run. And I’m sure a big part of the feedback he got from NBA guys was getting a 3pt shot which helps IU and helps Smith long term. Mid range nowadays is really only used by iso scorers and the popping big man in the pick and pop game.


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[GloryDays]

3 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

DeMar DeRozen has made a career out of shooting the midrange as his primary weapon


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James Blackmon had a really nice floater coming out of high school.He was deadly with it.6 months with Coach Analytics and he was driving into traffic and bring blocked at the rim most of the time.The head fake and the short jumper are a lethal weapon thats been lost in the modern game with all the Analytic BS.

[mdn82]

And DeMar DeRozan. Even Kobe and Michael weren’t great 3pt shooters. But Kobe, MJ and Wade are the 3 greatest 2 guards of all time. DeRozan has always been considered to be inefficient because of his love for mid range. KD shot like 55% from mid range last season, but that’s KD. Justin Smith is more relatable to guys like Aaron Gordon who shot 33% from mid range and Andre Iguodala who shot 24.2%. Gordon also shot 39.1% from corner 3’s and 33.9% from the top of the key. Iguodala who is just an awful shooter shot 41% from the corners and 28% from the top. Those are guys Smith is molded after.

 

And no I don’t consider 8 feet to be mid range. That’s floater range nowadays.

 

 

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Justin Smith shot 21.9% from 3. He also just barely got above 50% from the foul line. How many NBA players do you know that can shoot the ball have those stats (since that’s all you bring up as a comparison for him to be successful)? Yet you are comparing his game to successful NBA players. That makes a whole hell of a lot of sense. Also it doesn’t matter what yer what you consider to be a mid range shot. It’s like saying you don’t think someone that is shooting from 22 feet is a 3 point shot. Doesn’t remotely matter. It is what it is.

 

 

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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Justin Smith shot 21.9% from 3. He also just barely got above 50% from the foul line. How many NBA players do you know that can shoot the ball have those stats (since that’s all you bring up as a comparison for him to be successful)? Yet you are comparing his game to successful NBA players. That makes a whole hell of a lot of sense.


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Those are successful NBA players who aren’t good shooters but the type of player he will be compared to.


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[mdn82]

James Blackmon had a really nice floater coming out of high school.He was deadly with it.6 months with Coach Analytics and he was driving into traffic and bring blocked at the rim most of the time.The head fake and the short jumper are a lethal weapon thats been lost in the modern game with all the Analytic BS.

It can be helpful but my god. When we are trying to say a guy is better off shooting a 3 when he is at 21% moves in to 10 feet because it’s a bad analytical shot then I think we should all collectively explain how crazy that is.

 

 

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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

It can be helpful but my god. When we are trying to say a guy is better off shooting a 3 when he is at 21% moves in to 10 feet because it’s a bad analytical shot then I think we should all collectively explain how dumb that is. That is just idiotic.


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10 feet isn’t even mid range. You’re shooting a hook shot, floater or going for the layup or dunk at that point.


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

It can be helpful but my god. When we are trying to say a guy is better off shooting a 3 when he is at 21% moves in to 10 feet because it’s a bad analytical shot then I think we should all collectively explain how crazy that is.
 
 
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Think about where 10 feet is at on a court. You’re making post moves at 10 feet. You’re 5 feet inside the free throw line. If you’re in the paint period you arent shooting mid range.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Justin Smith is an atrocious shooter from anywhere on the court. FT shooting is probably best indicator of pure shooting stroke. He stinks from there as well. Unfortunately, despite incredible athleticism he isn’t a great finisher around the rim either.

I know I sound harsh, because I am and I’m honest.

I can tell you this much, I’m rooting so hard for the kid to figure out a way to be successful on the court. I’m less than optimistic that it’ll be as a shooter. He doesn’t have even a Troy Williams stroke that his misses are close. He needs to learn how to flash and cut and drive/dish. That’s his game, despite the glitz and glamor of the 3 point line.


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[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Justin Smith is an atrocious shooter from anywhere on the court. FT shooting is probably best indicator of pure shooting stroke. He stinks from there as well. Unfortunately, despite incredible athleticism he isn’t a great finisher around the rim either.

I know I sound harsh, because I am and I’m honest.

I can tell you this much, I’m rooting so hard for the kid to figure out a way to be successful on the court. I’m less than optimistic that it’ll be as a shooter. He doesn’t have even a Troy Williams stroke that his misses are close. He needs to learn how to flash and cut and drive/dish. That’s his game, despite the glitz and glamor of the 3 point line.


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Guy needs to just focus on being a garbage man. Do the dirty work off offensive boards and turnovers. And be a force on the defensive end. 

We have other guys who should be part of our structured offense. 

[mdn82]

Justin Smith is an atrocious shooter from anywhere on the court. FT shooting is probably best indicator of pure shooting stroke. He stinks from there as well. Unfortunately, despite incredible athleticism he isn’t a great finisher around the rim either.

 

I know I sound harsh, because I am and I’m honest.

 

I can tell you this much, I’m rooting so hard for the kid to figure out a way to be successful on the court. I’m less than optimistic that it’ll be as a shooter. He doesn’t have even a Troy Williams stroke that his misses are close. He needs to learn how to flash and cut and drive/dish. That’s his game, despite the glitz and glamor of the 3 point line.

 

 

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Absolutely. I am probably on the more optimistic side when it comes to IU players and he is honestly one of the worst shooters I can recall. Comparing him to NBA players and their shooting ability is crazy to me. I would be happy if he just went to the rim strong. I think he has that ability to get around 10 ppg doing that. But a shooter? Nah. Not even a discussion.

 

 

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[mdn82]

Think about where 10 feet is at on a court. You’re making post moves at 10 feet. You’re 5 feet inside the free throw line. If you’re in the paint period you arent shooting mid range.


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Yes Joe. As I have stated a couple of times a mid range is anything outside of the paint. It doesn’t matter where 10 feet is on the court. If it’s outside of the paint it is still a midrange shot.


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Absolutely. I am probably on the more optimistic side when it comes to IU players and he is honestly one of the worst shooters I can recall. Comparing him to NBA players and their shooting ability is crazy to me. I would be happy if he just went to the rim strong. I think he has that ability to get around 10 ppg doing that. But a shooter? Nah. Not even a discussion.
 
 
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Andre Iguodala isn’t a shooter or anything close to it. He’s actually horrid like Smith. But at one point he was about Smith’s size, super athletic and one heck of a defensive player. Something Smith could easily turn into.


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[mdn82]

Andre Iguodala isn’t a shooter or anything close to it. He’s actually horrid like Smith. But at one point he was about Smith’s size, super athletic and one heck of a defensive player. Something Smith could easily turn into.

 

 

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Yeah great comparison. In college Andre led Arizona as a sophomore in rebounds (8.4) assists (4.9), and steals (1.6) while scoring over 12 ppg. For being an awful shooter he shot 31.5% from 3. Oh and Andre put up that percentage while shooting about 3x as many 3’s his sophomore season. You know what Smith did as a Sophomore? He had 65 turnovers to 28 assists. 7.2 rebounds per 40 minutes. Great comparison.

 

Edit: “Not a great shooter” would be an upgrade.

 

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